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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 02-11-2013, 05:42 PM
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Are all X5's from South Carolina?

I'm a 5 series driver, so I'm just visiting this subforum.

A friend just bought a 2010 X5. I was telling him it was American made and he was amazed. I said I'd show him on the door jam sticker but we found it didn't say the location of origin. Of course he doesn't have the original Marony.

I looked at my 535i '011 and the door sticker doesn't show the city or country of origin either (I know it's Dingolfing, Germany as that's what the Marony sticker says).

So, aren't all X5's made in the Spartanburg?

Also, his car says 3.0L. I presume that's the unturbocharged straight 6. Correct?

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Old 02-11-2013, 05:53 PM
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Yes for SC. All X5's worldwide originate in Spartanburg, SC
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:26 PM
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"American made"? Not really. "American assembled"? Yes.

30% parts made in USA/Canada.

45% parts made in Germany (engine/transmission).
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:31 PM
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Good point. Assembled here. I used to have a Suburban-- 70% us parts, and an Accord, 85% us parts.

My friend was frankly disconcerted by his truck's american heritage. As I understand it, the output from SC is as good as from Germany. True?
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I'm certainly hoping that every X3, 5 and 6 that leave SC for every dealership in the world are up to BMW standards.
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:16 AM
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Having had a few BMWs in my lifetime, I can say that the build quality of the X5 coming out of the USA is not as good as the German build cars. Even the 3 series from South Africa are better built. BUT most of my complaints extend to the poor interior materials.

1) The surround to the Sat Nav screen creaks
2) The hard plastic lower B pillar trims are a joke, I have seriously seen better on a Kia
3) Why can't BMW make a tailgate which doesn't rattle?

American built = poor build quality I'm afraid.

The much maligned Range Rover Sport is better built, I had two before the X5. It won't be long before I look at another, the cheap build quality of the X5 is rapidly turning me off BMW.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:06 AM
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Given the very high level of automation and modular componentry, it is hard to connect any of the items you mention to "inferior assembly." I would expect the same result in an X5 made in Germany.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:11 AM
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My mom just got a new x3. Seems no worse quality than my new f30. They are pretty similar cars underneath I would expect them to start building even non SUVs here.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:21 AM
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Given the very high level of automation and modular componentry, it is hard to connect any of the items you mention to "inferior assembly." I would expect the same result in an X5 made in Germany.
Correct. It has more to do with design than build quality.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:55 AM
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Given the very high level of automation and modular componentry, it is hard to connect any of the items you mention to "inferior assembly." I would expect the same result in an X5 made in Germany.
+1 All those issues stated are engineering/sourcing decisions, has nothing to do with "inferior american workforce"...

Its possible that sourcing and engineering is done in SC for the X's and perhaps you could argue that american's don't demand the quality that their german counterparts would, but that's another issue and one that hasn't been raised in this thread.

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+1 All those issues stated are engineering/sourcing decisions, has nothing to do with "inferior american workforce"...

Its possible that sourcing and engineering is done in SC for the X's and perhaps you could argue that american's don't demand the quality that their german counterparts would, but that's another issue and one that hasn't been raised in this thread.

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Old 02-12-2013, 07:01 AM
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I would expect them to start building even non SUVs here.
BMW SC formerly produced automobiles (excluding SAVs - Sport Activity Vehicle) E36 318i, E36/7 Z3 (Roadster), E36/8 (Z3 Coupe), E85 Z4 (Roadster), E86 Z4 (Coupe). BMW Spartanburg is currently exclusive for producing the SAVs; X3, X5, X6, & the upcoming X4. The plant is currently under expansion to produce the X4. It is doubtful BMW will produce non SAVs there again as a new factory is being built in Brazil.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bmw-bu...--finance.html


Edit: the X5 is assembled in Mexico as well.

BMW de Mexico currently builds the 3 series, 5 series, 7 series and the X5. BMW de Mexico also manufactures armored high security vehicles, manufactures parts for domestic and foreign markets, maintains a large repair and service facility and a school for international BMW personnel

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During a recent BMW plant tour in Germany. I asked the tour guide why didn't they have the rodots do a particular assembly job (rear door attachment). He reply is that they needed to leave a sufficient number of jobs for the humans.

In this particular job, the door is delivered via an elevator to the assembly line. The worker operating a rig suspended for the ceiling attaches the rig to the door window with a suction cup. Using the rug he walks to the car with the door. He spins around the door which is aligned by the rig and he screws in the door with a power screw driver. He pushes a button and the rig returns to the original position for the next door. Between stations there are cameras which perform quality control checks via automated image recognition to see if the parts are aligned correctly. When a coupe or convertible comes through, the worker gets a break. Truly a job for a robot, but for a human, his/her particular nationality truly isn't important.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:09 AM
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Correct. It has more to do with design than build quality.

As well as part suppliers.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:12 AM
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On the tour there last year they quoted 1,200 SAV's a day with 70% exported. They are the largest exporter of cars from the US. And it is an assembly plant, they don't manufacture anything.
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On the tour there last year they quoted 1,200 SAV's a day with 70% exported. They are the largest exporter of cars from the US. And it is an assembly plant, they don't manufacture anything.
They may not "fabricate" anything, but they do "manufacture" complete cars from parts

When politicians and economists talk about adding manufacturing jobs in America, the Spartanburg plant and others like it are absolutely included in that discussion.

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In my experience the German built cars are of overall higher build quality. Not when it comes to essentials as drive train and chassi but when it comes to fit and finish. During my expat years in Africa I had an E36 3 series. A factory tour in South Africa was included and when I asked the German foreman on the difference between a car built there and in Germany he just smiled and mumbled "no comments". That said, I abused that car to no end over 4 years, it went pedal to the metal all the time and was driven over rough terrain to game reserves and dive spots. It was towed out of mud holes and bottomed out at high speed countless times. I had water coming into the cabin etc. but it never failed. The interior however was rattling, squeaking and scraping like crazy. The leather was dry and crinkly like a rhino. The alignment on doors were so-so and the plastics felt cheap and knobs were not smooth. My E30s and my GF's E21 we had in Sweden were of much higher build quality. I haven't owned an X so I can't comment on the quality of them compared to German built cars.

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Old 02-12-2013, 11:50 AM
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In my experience the German built cars are of overall higher build quality. Not when it comes to essentials as drive train and chassi but when it comes to fit and finish. During my expat years in Africa I had an E36 3 series. A factory tour in South Africa was included and when I asked the German foreman on the difference between a car built there and in Germany he just smiled and mumbled "no comments". That said, I abused that car to no end over 4 years, it went pedal to the metal all the time and was driven over rough terrain to game reserves and dive spots. It was towed out of mud holes and bottomed out at high speed countless times. I had water coming into the cabin etc. but it never failed. The interior however was rattling, squeaking and scraping like crazy. The leather was dry and crinkly like a rhino. The alignment on doors were so-so and the plastics felt cheap and knobs were not smooth. My E30s and my GF's E21 we had in Sweden were of much higher build quality. I haven't owned an X so I can't comment on the quality of them compared to German built cars.
You're comparing apples to oranges. The 3-series that you drove, years ago, was for the local Africa market. Things have changed; they are now exported globally so I would expect the quality to be much better (and it is --- I have driven 3-series as loaners here).

Mercedes Benz and other cars are also made in South Africa for the Africa market. I don't know if they export them but their quality was never expected to be what one would find in Europe or the USA.
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Having had a few BMWs in my lifetime, I can say that the build quality of the X5 coming out of the USA is not as good as the German build cars. Even the 3 series from South Africa are better built. BUT most of my complaints extend to the poor interior materials.

1) The surround to the Sat Nav screen creaks
2) The hard plastic lower B pillar trims are a joke, I have seriously seen better on a Kia
3) Why can't BMW make a tailgate which doesn't rattle?

American built = poor build quality I'm afraid.

The much maligned Range Rover Sport is better built, I had two before the X5. It won't be long before I look at another, the cheap build quality of the X5 is rapidly turning me off BMW.
Not one thing mentioned here has anything to do "where" it was assembled..man u gotta stretch to slam American builds..
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OP, check this out..

W = Germany
4 = USA
5 = USA

B = BMW Germany
U = BMW USA

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You're comparing apples to oranges. The 3-series that you drove, years ago, was for the local Africa market. Things have changed; they are now exported globally so I would expect the quality to be much better (and it is --- I have driven 3-series as loaners here).

Mercedes Benz and other cars are also made in South Africa for the Africa market. I don't know if they export them but their quality was never expected to be what one would find in Europe or the USA.
I'm sure you are mostly right but given the choice I'd rather have a German built BMW. The culture and status of a car builder even the lowest position in Germany is long and strong, it breads a quality awareness and pride among the builders that is very difficult if not nearly impossible to replicate. You can replace some of that with strong quality rules and assurance but not all of it. Japan is even better in this regard. It's mostly robotics today but they need maintenance and tuning as well.

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I'm sure you are mostly right but given the choice I'd rather have a German built BMW.<>
I would rather have a German one too. My 1996 328i was built there and it was trouble-free and solid for the 12 years that I had it.
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Toyotas/Lexus are built in America, and they are considered the highest build quality according to JDpower.

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Given the very high level of automation and modular componentry, it is hard to connect any of the items you mention to "inferior assembly." I would expect the same result in an X5 made in Germany.
Haha this is so funny. Clearly you've (actually everyone in this thread) never seen the workings of an automotive plant other than a factory tour. Workforce is hugely important and nationality DOES make a difference despite what you guys want to believe...and it is for different reasons than you might think.
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Haha this is so funny. Clearly you've (actually everyone in this thread) never seen the workings of an automotive plant other than a factory tour. Workforce is hugely important and nationality DOES make a difference despite what you guys want to believe...and it is for different reasons than you might think.
You are right and wrong. The workforce does matter and I have worked in one.
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