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Old 02-14-2013, 12:38 PM
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Porsches are bullet-proof. I've had a few. Modded all of them. Driven the crap our of them on tracks, autox, and some rallys. Never needed to take to dealer for anything besides scheduled maintenance.
Thank you make me feel warmer to buying a Porsche as next car
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...let me just add. With all that I've said, seeing that Toyota and BMW are teaming up to exchange some technologies and have also said they will co-develop a car, I have high hopes where the car will be designed by bmw, handle like a bmw, have the luxuries like a Lexus, be reliable like a Lexus, and be relatively inexpensive to own like a Lexus.
Amen to that. I'd hate it to be the opposite: Predator grill, Lexus handling, BMW reliability and cost of ownership.
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...let me just add. With all that I've said, seeing that Toyota and BMW are teaming up to exchange some technologies and have also said they will co-develop a car, I have high hopes where the car will be designed by bmw, handle like a bmw, have the luxuries like a Lexus, be reliable like a Lexus, and be relatively inexpensive to own like a Lexus.
I hope they new cars are better than my Lexuses. My GS430 had the nav system die (Mark Levinson sorted and took out the nav), transmission go out, and problems with the steering gear. We leased it new and when I tuned it in at 34,000 miles, the transmission was starting to make noise again.
The GS37s coupe I had was much better.

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Old 02-14-2013, 01:59 PM
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And even during the warranty. The repeated trips to the dealer are still just as annoying. Just less so since they are free.
I quite enjoy them, they are free and you usually get an interesting BMW loaner...
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:16 PM
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She may be kind of high maintenance but she's drop dead gorgeous and wild....
But Porsche -- gorgeous, wild, cooks cleans and loves to watch sports.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:31 PM
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Amen to that. I'd hate it to be the opposite: Predator grill, Lexus handling, BMW reliability and cost of ownership.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:39 PM
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radiator and still had the problem. Put in a new t-stat and all was well.

They are fun but can be a pita sometimes.

I will say this...I would not buy another one.
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Can I add : And Look Boring like a Camry
Or as staid as an F30. This is hardly a sexy car.
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Or as staid as an F30. This is hardly a sexy car.
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These are from 2010 models and the 1 series and SUV's tend to hurt the numbers a bit... at least that's what I keep telling myself 2 weeks into my 335.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:15 AM
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And even during the warranty. The repeated trips to the dealer are still just as annoying. Just less so since they are free.
I've had much better luck getting issues fixed outside of warranty from independents. They somehow seem able to diagnose and fix problems in a single visit, while it used to take several visits to the dealer to address any problem when the car was in warranty.
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I quite enjoy them, they are free and you usually get an interesting BMW loaner...
In my case I always got the "we're out of loaners but will get you in a rental" line...which means I got whatever junk Enterprise had available that day. In all my 100,000 of warranty, I only ever got a BMW loaner once.
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cos Bangle has left BMW
i wouldn't go that far. he did the design the E92. However he also designed the old 5 which is heinous. The E90 was some japanese guy BMW hired.
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No matter how you try and sell yourself into believing anything else, the fact remains that BMW's are not reliable cars. Especially, if you follow the "no maintenance-maintenance" schedule that BMW recommends (since it out of their pockets.) Sure, you may have a car right now that hasn't given you any problems. Consider yourself lucky and count that as the exception rather than the norm.

These car manufacturers will put their R&D dollars into where they think it will help sell the car. Toyota has built an image of a reliable and boring brand so that's what they focus their R&D dollars on because if not, then they will immediately get blasted in the press and such about how their cars aren't reliable. BMW, on the other hand has built their image on sporty and fun cars so that's where they focus their R&D dollars on. If they made a car that handled poorly, they would immediately get blasted from all angles. In theory, they could design a fun and sporty and reliable car but that would take lots of R&D and there's only so much money each manufacturer can allocate to each area.

The other fact remains that BMW has the highest lease rate of any manufacturer so most people only have the car for 3 years before they're given up and sold to another person. Usually, during this 3 years, nothing will go wrong and of course, there's no maintenance to bother the owner with so many people who lease these cars report that the car has been great. Of course, ask everybody with the N54 engine and I'm sure they'll tell you that keeping that car past 100k or was it 120k (that bmw extended the warranty on the hpfp to) if they think the car will last and I'm sure they pause before answering.

Good luck to all that think their BMW are reliable. Know what the positives of your car are and accept the negatives. Stop lying to yourself because we all know BMW are not reliable cars but they sure know how to make fun and good looking cars.
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You people really know how to strip the joy right out of the process of spec'ing my new car.
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You people really know how to strip the joy right out of the process of spec'ing my new car.
Ignore them. Anything worth having has challenges.

A BMW is like banging a hot mistress,
a lot of fun with some trouble along the way.
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I wouldn't take anything from J.D. Powers too seriously.
I wouldn't say to not take them too seriously but take it with a grain a salt as they are accurate but like I said previously, the repairs per 100 cars aren't properly qualified. So even though a broken ash tray cover won't leave you stranded and it is an annoyance to go back to the dealer for a repair, a borken ash tray does count as a repair.

The reality is for all of those people on this thread saying to not take this report seriously, I'd say to stop turning the other way and face facts. Just look at this thread alone. You only have one person posting that their BMW has been running flawlessly while every other single person has said that they had not one or two problems but multiple problems. I don't think any of those people have reported broken ash tray covers either. They all seem to have been serious stuff like busted trannies or multiple hpfp failures.

Here's something that hasn't been brought up too until the last post. When you do have an issue with your bmw, how many people have taken it in to have the SA just tell you they couldn't replicate the problem or it took them a week to diagnos and fix the problem. Remember all of those hpfp failures and the stories or "explanation" that the SA were telling people. Some people even reported that their SA said it was their fault for driving too calm or some stupid reason and basically told them to move along.

Like I said, fun cars to drive but simply not reliable. There is a reason people will buy a BMW over a Lexus. It's because Lexus currently isn't offering cars to compete against BMW. If they wake up and figure it out and offered comparable cars to BMW cars, BMW will see people going to Lexus. They need to get their design together and offering engine choices that people want but they mainly need to compete from the sporty car angle. They don't have a coupe, convertible, halo car, or design oriented niche car like an x6. Give us a sports car like a Lexus version Supra. Give us a 6 series comnparable. Give us a (rumored) 8 series comparable. Give us some convertibles. Give us some sporty SUV options. The LX570 is a very capable off-road suv but we need one that is sporty like the x5 and x6.
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According to the JD power survey, the auto industry as a whole is producing much more reliable cars than years ago. BMW and other German car makers are really starting to pay attention to reliability, VW being the exception.
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I wouldn't say to not take them too seriously but take it with a grain a salt as they are accurate but like I said previously, the repairs per 100 cars aren't properly qualified. So even though a broken ash tray cover won't leave you stranded and it is an annoyance to go back to the dealer for a repair, a borken ash tray does count as a repair.

The reality is for all of those people on this thread saying to not take this report seriously, I'd say to stop turning the other way and face facts. Just look at this thread alone. You only have one person posting that their BMW has been running flawlessly while every other single person has said that they had not one or two problems but multiple problems. I don't think any of those people have reported broken ash tray covers either. They all seem to have been serious stuff like busted trannies or multiple hpfp failures.

Here's something that hasn't been brought up too until the last post. When you do have an issue with your bmw, how many people have taken it in to have the SA just tell you they couldn't replicate the problem or it took them a week to diagnos and fix the problem. Remember all of those hpfp failures and the stories or "explanation" that the SA were telling people. Some people even reported that their SA said it was their fault for driving too calm or some stupid reason and basically told them to move along.

Like I said, fun cars to drive but simply not reliable. There is a reason people will buy a BMW over a Lexus. It's because Lexus currently isn't offering cars to compete against BMW. If they wake up and figure it out and offered comparable cars to BMW cars, BMW will see people going to Lexus. They need to get their design together and offering engine choices that people want but they mainly need to compete from the sporty car angle. They don't have a coupe, convertible, halo car, or design oriented niche car like an x6. Give us a sports car like a Lexus version Supra. Give us a 6 series comnparable. Give us a (rumored) 8 series comparable. Give us some convertibles. Give us some sporty SUV options. The LX570 is a very capable off-road suv but we need one that is sporty like the x5 and x6.
I agree with you mostly except to say overall reliability and quality has increased 10 fold over the last 20 years. There is not much difference in quality from the top car to the bottom. At least it is not as bad as it was in the 1980's with GM's crap cars.

The key point to remember is the definition of quality and reliability will be defined by the consumer. Not JD Power or Consumer reports.

Is BMW a great car? The key metric I look at is sales figures over the past decade. That is all that matters at the end of the day. Is BMW satisfying and attracting new customers and how many of those are repeat customers?

Notice that Landrover was at the bottom of the list. They also sell the fewest vehicles.

Viking, Dacor and Wolf all make high end cooking appliances with attrocious customer service and reliability records. Yet consumers still demand them because when they work, they work better than anything else. I say again, the consumer decides what quality looks like.
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Or as staid as an F30. This is hardly a sexy car.



Would not call it staid.
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Give us a sports car like a Lexus version Supra. Give us a 6 series comnparable. Give us a (rumored) 8 series comparable. Give us some convertibles. Give us some sporty SUV options. The LX570 is a very capable off-road suv but we need one that is sporty like the x5 and x6.
I'd be perfectly happy with Lexus FR-S or BRZ, whichever. As a matter of fact, I might be perfectly happy with Subaru BRZ when and if I decide to replace my E92.
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You people really know how to strip the joy right out of the process of spec'ing my new car.
As with all things in life, there will be compromises that you'll have to account for. I see that you have an Acura TSX from your signature. Going from that to a BMW is a huge step and it's really all about what's important to you. For the amount of money yo're going to spend, you could always just get the TL and call it a day. It'll be pretty reliable but doesn't look at good and doesn't handle as well and doesn't carry the same brand respect. ...but with getting your new BMW, that you may (will) encounter some problems along the way. If you don't want to deal with the problems, turn back now. But if you're good with a really nice car that handles nicely, looks great and has brand respect, stick to your guns and enjoy the feel of the N55 or i-4 (forgot engine code) under your right foot. No matter what the Acura can do, it still won't match the feeling of the 328 or 335.
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