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Old 02-08-2013, 06:58 PM
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Hail to the xdrive and MSport

Heavy snow fall and treacherous road conditions in Toronto today. Likely over a foot of snow in heavy traffic with ice underneath. The Msport with all seasons and AWD is exceptional. I was amazed at how I got through the traffic, up the hills and had good traction all the time. BMW has this right for sure.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:59 PM
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Same thing in Washington State. Have hit the mountains several times to skii and the AWD all season combo has handled everything deftly.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:50 PM
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Snowing in Utah too. Lots of snow this year. My first real experience with xDrive and Conti DWS tires and I have enjoyed it very much.

Now I just need BMW to get an X7 to market so I can replace my wife's Odyssey! I hate driving that thing in the snow now that I've driven xDrive.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:55 PM
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A foot of snow today in NY and my xdrive+Blizzaks = tank!

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Old 02-09-2013, 02:44 AM
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A foot of snow today in NY and my xdrive+Blizzaks = tank!

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Too funny. My wife call's it "The Sherman"
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:29 AM
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Yeah.. I also went for xDrive, even though in my opinion a true Bimmer is MT and RWD. Even though they don't sell xDrive BMW's on all-season tires in Poland and I had to buy another set of wheels with proper winter tires - I'm a bit disappointed. The car is under-steering heavily in snowy/icy conditions; had already a couple of occasions when I hardly made it through the curve... With my true bimmer-style 330i (MT, RWD), I could steer with my gas pedal together with the steering wheel - a no no with xDrive!

So far, the only advantage is I can get traction where I would probably definitely stuck with my previous car
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:48 AM
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I was disappointed with BMWs xDrive while driving in city roads. I had an Audi before and it never twitched in city. When you turn and accelerate, BMW felt more like a rear wheel drive car and was ready to spin if I didnot correct it.

But, its a completely different story on highways. BMW is a tank on highway where as Audi twitched quiet a bit when changing lanes. I am impressed ! By then end of my 100 mile drive through snow, I was very happy with my purchase.
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I was disappointed with BMWs xDrive while driving in city roads. I had an Audi before and it never twitched in city. When you turn and accelerate, BMW felt more like a rear wheel drive car and was ready to spin if I didnot correct it.
So, your experience is 100% opposite to mine. Interesting....
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:00 AM
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So, your experience is 100% opposite to mine. Interesting....
I understand what you mean..0-20 mph, the car oversteers..20+ the car understeers. I always slow down to a safe speed on highways and didnot have a problem yesterday.

And also F10 is a heavy car. I think its 1000 pounds heavier than my old car and I had to adjust my driving style for the added weight.

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Old 02-09-2013, 05:03 AM
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But your description " When you turn and accelerate, BMW felt more like a rear wheel drive car and was ready to spin if I didnot correct it" is a definition of over, and not under-steering!
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:05 AM
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But your description " When you turn and accelerate, BMW felt more like a rear wheel drive car and was ready to spin if I didnot correct it" is a definition of over, and not under-steering!
Lol..I just edited my post. Sorry my bad.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:09 AM
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Still not right. At low speeds (and I mean very low - like pulling over to the gas station), my car understeers heavily. At higher speeds, it becomes neutral (very nice full lateral drift, but no spin). So, quite opposite to RWD.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:18 AM
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xDrive works with 40:60(F:R) torque split. It makes sense to me why my car feels like a RWD when I turn and accelerate from a complete stop(Oversteer). As the car is quiet a bit heavy, it also makes sense to me why it understeers when turning at speeds over 20+. Btw, I am running on all seasons.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:20 AM
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xDrive works with 40:60(F:R) torque split. It makes sense to me why my car feels like a RWD when I turn and accelerate from a complete stop(Oversteer). As the car is quiet a bit heavy, it also makes sense to me why it understeers when turning at speeds over 20+. Btw, I am running on all seasons.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:23 AM
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Huzzah to the Blizzaks!
I love blizzaks too..My old car on blizzaks...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...s-Winter-Setup
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:24 AM
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xDrive works with 40:60(F:R) torque split. It makes sense to me why my car feels like a RWD when I turn and accelerate from a complete stop(Oversteer). As the car is quiet a bit heavy, it also makes sense to me why it understeers when turning at speeds over 20+. Btw, I am running on all seasons.
Wrong again - 40:60 is the "steady state" proportion. Actual split changes all the time, based on multiple inputs (from torque, ABS, DSC, acceleration, steering etc.).

Just have to learn this "most intelligent AWD drive"!
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:30 AM
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Wrong again - 40:60 is the "steady state" proportion. Actual split changes all the time, based on multiple inputs (from torque, ABS, DSC, acceleration, steering etc.).

Just have to learn this "most intelligent AWD drive"!
Nope, I dont agree as I am experiencing oversteer 0-20. Maybe xDrive is not computing fast enough
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:00 AM
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Its my first winter with the 550ix and yesterday I had zero troubles getting thru any road. I do have Dunlop winters. My previous e92 RWD with winters was ok at best in the winters, but this drove flawlessly.
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We got about ~24inches last night. Nothing has been plowed. Can't wait to get out there in a couple hours!
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I love blizzaks too..My old car on blizzaks...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...s-Winter-Setup
I had Blizzaks on my 328 xi coupe before my new snow tires. They were fantastic. Not cheap mind you. I use Michelin Primacy Alpin now. Also quite good.
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My old 335 was RWD 6MT also on snow tires and I couldn't believe how much better my 535xi is (also on snow tires).

What impressed me the most is accelerating from stand still. I could pretty much give the car 50% throttle off the line and it just hooks up. I know the xdrive is doing its thing because there is no way the wheels aren't spinning but it does it in a non intrusive way. You don't feel it cutting power at all and the car would just grip and take off.

Not sure if having it in sport mode makes any difference but i am impressed.

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Yeah.. I also went for xDrive, even though in my opinion a true Bimmer is MT and RWD. Even though they don't sell xDrive BMW's on all-season tires in Poland and I had to buy another set of wheels with proper winter tires - I'm a bit disappointed. The car is under-steering heavily in snowy/icy conditions; had already a couple of occasions when I hardly made it through the curve... With my true bimmer-style 330i (MT, RWD), I could steer with my gas pedal together with the steering wheel - a no no with xDrive!

So far, the only advantage is I can get traction where I would probably definitely stuck with my previous car
What type/size tires do you have for the Winter?

May I suggest that you give the xDrive some time to relearn how to drive in the snow. If you are waiting for your rear tires to kick free like on a RWD, then you are already going too fast. Hit the DTC button and you will have more slip and control like you former RWD cars. The rear tires will break free first. Even though we have snow tires on our RWD 335d, when it snows, that car mostly sits in the garage. I would rather drive my X5M equipped with A/S tires than the 335d. BTW, the X5M understeers on dry pavement, but in the snow it feels like a Snowcat: those fats tires never touch the pavement either.
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My 550 xdrive with 4 Dunlop 18" snows has been superb. All of the tech stuff has helped greatly. Defog and defrost have kept windows clear at -40C. Had the M5 been an xdrive I would be driving one. Unless they offer it, next car will be am e63 4matic.
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Heavy snow fall and treacherous road conditions in Toronto today. Likely over a foot of snow in heavy traffic with ice underneath. The Msport with all seasons and AWD is exceptional. I was amazed at how I got through the traffic, up the hills and had good traction all the time. BMW has this right for sure.
watching some of the videos at TWC, i think it is also important to anticipate potential "situations" created by others, more so in these icy roads. lets all practise "unagi"
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I'm curious to hear feedback from the non-xdrive crew on how they faired driving in the snow.
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