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Old 02-13-2013, 01:52 PM
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RFT vs All Season tires.

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Time to buy new tire for my 2011 550i, right now i still using RFTs, but really want to get all season tires.
Anyone go that way, please post your feedbacks,
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:38 PM
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Hello,
Time to buy new tire for my 2011 550i, right now i still using RFTs, but really want to get all season tires.
Anyone go that way, please post your feedbacks,
Thank you very much.
The Continental Extreme DWS' have worked very well on my E60 once I put a bit of mileage on them. If you don't have to deal with snow, then the DW's might be a good option but I have not tried them.

With the F10 arriving in a few weeks and with my desire to get non-RFT's right out of the gate and save the RFT's for lease turn in, I'm still not sure what I'm going to do. I would be happy enough with the DWS' again, but I'm considering getting some PSS' for summer and biting the bullet with the OEM RFT's in the winter. I'm not sure though.

If I can't decide by the time the F10 arrives, I'll punt and get the DWS' again. I've been happy with them and I won't be tracking this vehicle.
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+1 for Conti DWS.

When I had my X6 I ditched the Dunlop run flats and went with DWS.

Quiet , smooth, and surprisingly good handling going from a summer to AS tire.

Here I am again with a 5 series and those stinkin Dumlop run flats which started making noise around 8-10k miles.

I am astonished that the Dunlop run flats are the most expensive and perform worse than any tire I have ever had run flat or not.

I bet most people on this forum have terrible sounding run flats at 10k miles and maybe just got use to the drone and wah wah wah.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:38 PM
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...went with DWS. Quiet , smooth, and surprisingly good handling going from a summer to AS tire.
Yes, +1 for quiet and smooth.

Just today as I was thinking about the very issue of tires, I went over a pretty significant bump and the DWS' just sucked it right up.

When I had RFT's on my E60, whenever I'd go over such a bump, the whole vehicle frame and interior components groaned. I mean, you could seriously feel and hear the bump being transferred across the entire frame of the vehicle and everything felt and sounded like it cracked and split.

The DWS' absolutely solved this problem when I got them.

Another thing. These RFT's I'm talking about were so stiff (in a sucky way) that when I'd turn sharply and quickly around a corner, such as when you turn right onto another road, I would feel significant vibration transferred from the RFT's straight up through the steering column, into the steering wheel, and into my hands. And I could feel the tires skipping on the road surface. I hated this feeling.

This was another problem solved by the DWS'.

I'm sure there are other good all season tires out there. But the DWS were so much better than the RFT's and they've been so good to me that I'm hesitant to try anything else except an entirely different setup (e.g. PSS' for summer).
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:46 PM
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Cant wait guys.. cant wait

to get rid of RFT's...
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:56 PM
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Conti DWS - great tire, bad for this car. Had them. Do not do!

Wait for Pilot Sport All Season 3.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:16 PM
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Wait for Pilot Sport All Season 3.
This tire looks like it may be a winner. But their initial run will not include sizes that fit the F10. So the wait could be some time. I don't want to put more than 8K miles on the RFT's waiting for something to take their place because I want them for lease turn in.

Perhaps this pushes me into the Pilot Super Sports for summer hoping the All Season 3's are available by November, but this starts to get expensive.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:23 PM
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Stop by Discount Tire, they gave me the quote of 2 brand of tire.
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/fil...ggled=Michelin

Pilot Super Sport
245/45ZR18XL 100Y B
30k warranty

Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season
245/45R18XL100H AUDB
70K warranty
I likely go for Michelin tires.

Thanks for supper fast feedbacks.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:35 PM
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Conti DWS - great tire, bad for this car. Had them. Do not do!
Why is that?

Is the car too heavy? I've read a lot of rave reviews of the DWS's but I've never used 'em.

I really like Yokohama Advans and Michelin Pilots for an all season tire.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:52 PM
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Keep in mind there are two Contis

DWS and DW

DRY, WET, SNOW

If you are not venturing into snow, go with the DW.

You can tell the difference looking at the tread pattern.

I have the DWS on my GTI and they are fine for me. I wanted the 40k mileage.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:22 PM
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Why is that?

Is the car too heavy? I've read a lot of rave reviews of the DWS's but I've never used 'em.

I really like Yokohama Advans and Michelin Pilots for an all season tire.
Dunno. I've read / heard great things and driven cars with them on with good results, but on this car.....not so much.
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Heard the sidewalls on the DWS were too soft for the F10, had them on my E61 and they were great.

I am also looking to replace my Dunlop 19 RFT on my 2012 F10 msport. The new Goodyear Asymmetric AS has gotten decent reviews. Could always go Mich AS+ if the new one is not available this spring/fall.

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Old 02-14-2013, 01:28 PM
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Heard the sidewalls on the DWS were too soft for the F10, had them on my E61 and they were great.

I am also looking to replace my Dunlop 19 RFT on my 2012 F10 msport. The new Goodyear Asymmetric AS has gotten decent reviews. Could always go Mich AS+ if the new one is not available this spring/fall.

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Here is a Run Flat All Season alternative but it's a 45 series tire (245/45/19) which means fewer tire bubbles.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:09 PM
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I had DWSs on my F10(528i) for nearly a year. They wore well but were too soft for the car in my opinion.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:25 PM
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Why is that?

Is the car too heavy? I've read a lot of rave reviews of the DWS's but I've never used 'em.

I really like Yokohama Advans and Michelin Pilots for an all season tire.
It is a light tire, which means it is also soft tire which is a bit too soft given the rest of the car's set-up. They might be better matched on the F10 if they were paired with a lighter set of wheels. I have the DWS on my 335d and the X5M both with lighter than stock wheels and they work well in those applications.
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My experience is that the DWSs are too soft for my taste for the F10. If you are looking for comfort, good tire wear, and are willing to live with a softer feeling tire, they would be a good choice.
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I have heard many people report that the Mitchelin Pilot Sport all season tire works best with this car. Costs a bit more than the Conti DWS, but it works better with this car. I am in Florida so I am still running summer max performance run flats. They work well here. Up north..not so much. Hated them when I was in D.C. for two weeks this month. If I lived in the northeast these tires would have been removed within the first week of ownership. Thankfully I no longer live up there like Dunderhi
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To be clear when folks are saying the DWS is too soft, the side wall is not stiff which in turn correlates to a little less, but noticable cornering ability which affects understeer. This is one reason why run flats tend to corner better than standard high performance tires, because of an extremely stiff side wall.

There are trade offs with any tire, wear, handling, noise, etc.

DW/DWS are still great tires unless you want high performance in which case I would avoid all season altogether.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:58 AM
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On weekend i purchased a set of four Michelin Pilot supper sport 30k mls warranty at discount tire, have to said alot less noise, smooth, i really like it.
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To be clear when folks are saying the DWS is too soft, the side wall is not stiff which in turn correlates to a little less, but noticable cornering ability which affects understeer. This is one reason why run flats tend to corner better than standard high performance tires, because of an extremely stiff side wall.

There are trade offs with any tire, wear, handling, noise, etc.

DW/DWS are still great tires unless you want high performance in which case I would avoid all season altogether.
No, this is not the case.

The tire is too soft for the car, period. It squirms around and will not track straight.

Bad choice.

I have had the RFT's, DWS's and Pilot Super sports. Two non RfT's and the difference in straight ahead stability is immense.

Cornering of course is no contest.
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No, this is not the case.

The tire is too soft for the car, period. It squirms around and will not track straight.

Bad choice.

I have had the RFT's, DWS's and Pilot Super sports. Two non RfT's and the difference in straight ahead stability is immense.

Cornering of course is no contest.
Could it be one of the options installed on your car? One of the computer controlled gadgets that have issues with certain tires?

I remember when the E60 came out, people were complaining about the car floating. DWS may exacerbate the situation on the F10 depending on equipment packages.

You would think a sedan like the F10 that weighs as much as small SUV would not have an issue.
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Wait for Pilot Sport All Season 3.
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Anyone know the difference between Michelin primacy hp zp and the pilot super sport? BMW dealership for all work included has quoted me a price of $2120 for the primacy tires.
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