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Old 02-16-2013, 08:13 AM
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Do not use fram oil filters

Recently I notice a high pitched noise on my 07 BMW 328i e90 N52. There was no noise at idle but when the revs went anywhere above idle 800RPM and above it would happen. After A quick Diagnostic I realized it was coming directly from the oil filter housing. My e90 N52 has been getting the infamous Engine Ticking noise a lot more than usual as well. The next day I went and bought an OEM BMW filter assuming that this was where my problem was. When I removed the FRAM oil filter that was currently installed in the vehicle it was deformed and I could only believe that this was causing a restriction of flow through the oil filter itself. As of late my oil filter housing was starting to sweat as well. I changed the filter to the OEM BMW one and instantly the noise was gone.

I will never use FRAM oil filters again on my BMW

The only after market I may still use is the MANN Filters as this is the manufacturer of BMW OEM filters

I have attached a few pics let me know what you guys think
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:18 AM
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This is not the first horror story I've heard from people who've used Fram filters.
I only ever use Mann, Mahle or OEM in my cars. Never had an issue.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:20 AM
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FRAM is cheap garbage living off it's brandname from when it was decent stuff 20 years ago or more!
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:22 AM
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why would someone use fram, just go to bmw or order a few for your stock....
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:09 AM
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I wouldn't put a Fram on my lawn mower.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:25 AM
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I will never use FRAM oil filters again on my BMW

Ugly....don't see where deformation impacted you - fans look OK - but poor quality filtering is exactly that.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:50 AM
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If it was poor quality filtering the oil would have flowed just fine.
I read I think in consumer's report or an auto mag that did an evaluation of many of these filters. I don't recall the results but there is a reason BMW uses the brands they do. I get bulk filters by Mahle which are cheap.
My question to the OP is did this happen on a cold start cold day cold engine?
I have heard all kinds of strange noises when starting a cold engine that go away once warmed up.
That Fram filter looks really bad meaning the picture shows a lot of what looks like particulate matter. Most likely an artifact of the filter.
I have seem more than just Fram filters with pleated paper look just like that on removal so I don't see anything terribly unusual..
This isn't the one I wanted but does show a comparison.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=883446

Could well be that some of the deformed pleats I have seen when removing cartiage filters were counterfit.
Most of us use Mann and Mahle as well as BMW OEM filters.
Interesting video showing the particulate filtering difference between the counterfit and OEM...

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Old 02-16-2013, 03:10 PM
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I guess I was a little bit naive thinking that the fram would work fine on my BMW as I have never had a problem with them on any of my none BMW vehicles in the past. But now fram will not be put on any of my vehicles or any of my customers vehicles. My problem only seemed to happen when the car was warm or semi warm as the oil became less thick. It seemed to start after about 5 or 10 minutes of driving. Maybe vibration of the oil filter in the housing when the oil got thinner? Yes the weather is cold but I have since changed the filter and no more noise so I don't think this played a role. I would defiantly agree with you that a lot of strange noise and behaviours happen in the cold weather.

Nice video Garbage Knockoffs
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:39 AM
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Recently I notice a high pitched noise on my 07 BMW 328i e90 N52. There was no noise at idle but when the revs went anywhere above idle 800RPM and above it would happen. After A quick Diagnostic I realized it was coming directly from the oil filter housing. My e90 N52 has been getting the infamous Engine Ticking noise a lot more than usual as well. The next day I went and bought an OEM BMW filter assuming that this was where my problem was. When I removed the FRAM oil filter that was currently installed in the vehicle it was deformed and I could only believe that this was causing a restriction of flow through the oil filter itself. As of late my oil filter housing was starting to sweat as well. I changed the filter to the OEM BMW one and instantly the noise was gone.

I will never use FRAM oil filters again on my BMW

The only after market I may still use is the MANN Filters as this is the manufacturer of BMW OEM filters

I have attached a few pics let me know what you guys think
Is it just me or does the actual oil look terribly "gunked" as well!? yikes!

I would suggest changing the oil / filter again after 100-500 miles to try and flush some of that gunk out. I have a 2007 E92.. with 118k on the odo.. my oil filter looks black, but certainly not as gunky as yours...
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Old 02-17-2013, 08:25 AM
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If it was poor quality filtering the oil would have flowed just fine.

Cuts two ways. Can fail to sufficiently filter and flow well, or can easily blind and not flow. Visual looks like the latter.
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:39 PM
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I wouldn't put a Fram on my lawn mower.
Me neither. Even my mower has a Purolator filter on! Only engine we have that's not using a Purolator is the BMW: Mann filter there. Under $9 shipped: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DRHMRI
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:04 AM
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Just Had another look at the Fram filter I took off my car and realized that it had 5 or 6 little holes in the filter material
Cheap ****

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Old 02-20-2013, 10:40 PM
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i wouldn't put a fram on my lawn mower.
lol!!!
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:57 AM
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Unfortunately, the people that frequent the forums already know that Fram is garage. It's the rest of the world that doesn't know. I use WIX in my vehicles.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:07 AM
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About 10 years ago I bought filters from 12 different suppliers and cut each one open right out of the box. The way they are made, the material thickness, design and quality all varied greatly. Some were obviously of very poor quality, especially the pleated 'filter' portion. Others had flimsy springs or check valves.
My conclusion: Stick with oem, they are the best quality. A few aftermarket brands are as good, typically Pennzoil and Group 7 (they look like clones). After an oil change, what's the one thing that's going to help your engine last the longest? The filter. Why try to cheap out?

Note: My evaluation was of spin-on type filters. My conclusions, based on filters I have pulled out of engines, is that the same thing is true of cartridge types although they have far fewer components. Also, just fyi, a clogged filter does not prevent oil circulation. It will trip a safety valve and allow the dirty oil to bypass the filter. Not good, but it's better than dry bearings.
One other thing while we're talkng oil. My trade mags are full of stories of valve train noise and driveability issues beng 'fixed' by an oil change. Variable valve timing, lift and duration mechanisms need lots of clean oil of the correct viscosity and at the right pressure for all that machinery to work as intended. Stick with the more frequent oil changes. A lifetime of more frequent changes is a fair trade to avoid expensive top end repairs.
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just wow, sorry to hear
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