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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:20 PM
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From what I remember the residual value of the X3 was 59% at 36 months/36K miles and the residual value of the Q5 at 36 months/36K miles was 49%. Another factor that steered me to the X3.
Generally speaking, BMW offers a better lease program vs. Audi. The residuals often are in the upper 50's to lower 60's. Of course, the actual residual number will depend on the mileage allowance. Also BMW FS allows the lessee to buy extra miles up to 6 months before lease termination. This could reduce potential cost due to exceeding the total allowance.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:07 AM
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BMW has a much better and longer service plan. Never personally owned an Audi, but going to their dealerships when shopping for vehicles over the years regardless of the location was never pleasant for myself and family. Never a warm feeling and wondered if they treated customers for servicing in the same manner.

Loved the look and drive of Audi, but they seemed arrogant and snobbish. I don't have same feelings with MB, Lexus and BMW.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:15 AM
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When cross shopping Audi Q5 before we ordered the 2014 X3, I grew tired of the Audi salesman. He saw that I drove a BMW and spent a substantial amount of time trash talking BMW rather than focusing the attributes of the Q5. Plus the Audi Care is an additional cost and is not as comprehensive as BMW's free maintenance. The Q5 is fine, however wifey and I both preferred the X3 and the BMW sales experience.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:11 PM
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AUDI does not offer Alpine White.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:50 AM
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AUDI does not offer Alpine White.
AW is a non-metallic white. It's the only white BMW USA offers for the X3. I know it's a technicality but in the USA, Audi offers the Q5 in non-metallic "Ibis White" and metallic "Glacier White". Granted, neither are called Alpine White. I know it's kinda crazy but perhaps two whites are, in fact, better than one?
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:11 AM
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I shopped the Audi too, but could not get past the JELLY BEAN shape of the Q5, looks like a kiddie car for 3 year olds. I carry boards and bikes on my racks, so the lack of a true sound barrier on the sunroof was a concern. I like the VW Toureg better than the Q5, although it's bigger.
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Old 02-21-2013, 02:00 PM
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Coming from an S5 and still having an A5 in the garage, the BMW is whole different animal. We cross shopped the Q5 as well and wound up with the X3. We've become used to the Q5 after all of the service our Audis have required and while it's a nice little vehicle it feels more Town Car than Sport UV. I remember thinking I could live with a Q5 the first time we brought one home from the service department. It's capable, relatively luxurious and packs a lot of tech. There are things I really prefer about the Audi. The B&O system is one of the best in the price-range, the IP in Audis really can't be touched design-wise by anything in BMW's line, and I've mentioned the superior tech. The deciding factor was test driving an X3 35. No comparison in my view. Granted we got all of the whirly bits, but it's a nice break from 'the quirks' of our Audis.

As others have said, you can't go wrong. It just comes down to what you're after. And for what it's worth, I've had far fewer issues with the BMW than any of our past Audi's. Could be luck of the draw, both brands have had their share of black eyes. It's best to remember these vehicles don't age like Toyotas and Hondas because they are built for a different purpose. They extend the envelope just a little further, and compromises have to be made for extra performance and features. We are a different breed that accept some faults for a more exciting drive.
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Old 02-22-2013, 07:57 PM
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Just got the X3 last week and LOVE it. But what I really loved was the Car and Driver review that said, and I quote, "...the Q5 looks and drives like a dinner roll might, if a dinner roll could be driven." And the X3 won the comparo. And I added 3 years to my subscription.
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Old 03-02-2013, 03:34 AM
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Not in the US or Canada, unless your X3 has been coded. The key fob will open the rear hatch, but will not close it.
It appears the foot swipe activation for the liftgate I read about was in the 3 series Gran Tourismo material.

"An optional Smart Opener system is included with Comfort Access, and opens the tailgate when a person's foot is waved under the bumper and the Comfort Access key is present."

http://autos.jdpower.com/content/new...mo-preview.htm

Remains to be seen if BMWUSA puts it in cars though.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:46 PM
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I find it quite surprising that JD Power rates Porsche, Buick, MB and Lincoln higher in reliability than Honda and Acura. Say what you will about the Japanese cars, but I know no one that thinks there's is less reliable than the aforementioned. I've owned 8 bullet proof Japaneses cars.

Love my X3 and am hoping it holds up.

If you want to read about real world reliability rankings please go to Consumet Reports.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:09 PM
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BothJD Power and COnsumer reports use the same methodology of basing conclusions based on customer surveys. It comes down to sample size and trustworthiness of the respondents. Garbage in, garbage out.

I find the C&D article and it's opening drivel about how lobsters piss and how SUVs are "huggable" to be a joke pretending to be a comparo. YMMV
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:42 PM
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BothJD Power and COnsumer reports use the same methodology of basing conclusions based on customer surveys. It comes down to sample size and trustworthiness of the respondents. Garbage in, garbage out.

I find the C&D article and it's opening drivel about how lobsters piss and how SUVs are "huggable" to be a joke pretending to be a comparo. YMMV
CR receives more accurate garbage. A Buick is more reliable than a Honda? Not a single person here believes that.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:57 PM
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CR receives more accurate garbage. A Buick is more reliable than a Honda? Not a single person here believes that.
I think JD power is in a better position and with more data to make an assertion than your limited sample. That said, my garage and driveway is covered in japanese cars and you won't find a Buick there ever.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:37 AM
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As an owner of a 2011 BMW 335d, I thought the X3 or the 328d Touring would be our next vehicle. We test drove the X3, a 328d and then the Merc GLK 350 at a BMW drive and compare event. We really liked the Mercedes and that prompted us to test the Cadillac SRX and the Q5 TDI. We also tested the GLK 250 TDI.

I was not happy with the stiff ride in the X3 (Run Flats) and the seats did not seem that comfortable (I liked my 335d much better). The looks just did not light our fire either. The engine was the 2 liter and it seemed a little rough especially when the auto-start-stop did its thing.

328d - compared to the 335d I own, it was much louder and it seemed a little harsh. The power was adequate. We would have gone with the Touring version and it prices at over $50K with the options we wanted. Price creep has really gotten into the BMWs since buying my 2011. We felt we wanted a SUV rather than a sedan or wagon, so that eliminated the 328d.

The Cadillac SRX has an edgy design, but the interior seems a little cheap. Our major concern here was that the trip computer said the SRX was getting 14 miles per gallon. We really wanted better gas mileage. The outside is nice, but a little to weird for our liking. Bad gas mileage and to much plastic eliminated this one.

The Mercedes GLK 350 and 250 were both really nice, great interior, nice looking, different. But we felt the storage in the back was a little small. And some of the features were missing that were included in the X3 and the Audi Q5. I compared prices and the GLK may cost less than the competition, but it leases higher due to a higher interest rate charged by MBUSA. You get less for more money. Not a winning formula.

For fun we tested the Q5. I found a dealer with a TDI since I am a believer in clean diesel. I could not believe the test drive. I expected some diesel noise, some harshness and a firm ride, but it was unbelievable. It was totally silent, totally smooth and it felt more powerful than my 335D. The 8 speed transmission really gives the Q5 a smooth launch with fantastic power. It has a really cool pano sun roof, great B&O stereo and we really liked the sport interior (Best seats in all the cars we tested - including my 335d). It has some really cool features - wifi hot spot, google earth, nice Nav, rear back up camera, nice leather included, great interior design. And I think it looks a little like the X6 which is a beautiful SAV. The rear seats slide back and forth/and they recline, decent amount of space in the back, rear seats fold flat from the rear, and it includes a roof rack. We were sold. Since I leased, I did go with Audi care and you really only pay about $450 for it over the lease (15K miles/36 months). In addition, the residual is increased from 58 to 59% when you get Audicare - making it a better deal than the Mercedes. We took it on a 680 mile road trip over the weekend and on the highway, I was getting over 36 mpg and my overall combined City/Highway was 30 mpg. We can't be more pleased. Another note - the dealer is 1.5 hours away - they agreed to pick up and drop off the car for all service. You should also be able to get 6% off invoice plus $500 off for being a BMW owner. If you own an Audi, you get $1000 off your best price.

The Q5 is well worth a look.

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Our friends have the Q5 and I must admit, the front seats are a bit more comfortable than the X3 sport seats, in my opinion. We find the sport seats to be comfortable if the side bolsters are fully deflated (widest setting). The Audi Q5 has just a litle bit more width, the right amount in my view.

It's just not a BMW...,
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Old 10-01-2013, 05:49 PM
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That Audi 3.0 supercharge engine is a gem, its a bit more powerful than the N55 in my opinion. We had a older Audi Q5 and the car had its share of build quality problems such as rattles and panel gaps. Hopeful, the quality have gotten better since then.
The N20 & N55 engines have been voted 'top ten engines' more than once...,
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Q5 is a nice vehicle. The interior is especially luxurious- close to the MB's.

However, people here who frequent this BMW forum know that Bimmers are more fun to drive than Audi's and certainly MB's. if you want total luxury MB and Audi is the way to go. If you want a great handling and fun to drive SUV in the market place for around $50k loaded up the X3 is the only choice. Take the Dynamic Handling option- best value option any SUV has.
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It's just not a BMW...,
Yep. That reminds me of Friends "the one with the list".

On a serious note , I'm not a fan of EPS in general, but I think X3 version is better than Q5.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:26 AM
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The N20 & N55 engines have been voted 'top ten engines' more than once...,
So has the Audi 3.0T engine. Having own cars with both the 3.0T and N55 engines, I can say that the 3.0T is a bit more impressive as far as accelaration and smoothness.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:26 AM
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My wife and I didn't like the look of Audi SUVs from the front. The large grille with it's prominent ring logo turned us away. We did not even bother to test drive.
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So has the Audi 3.0T engine. Having own cars with both the 3.0T and N55 engines, I can say that the 3.0T is a bit more impressive as far as accelaration and smoothness.
It depends on which variant of the 3.0T you have, the Q5 has the lowest tuned version unless you go with the SQ5.
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It depends on which variant of the 3.0T you have, the Q5 has the lowest tuned version unless you go with the SQ5.
Its unfortunate that Audi choose to detune the 3.0T for the regular Q5, but if you ever get a chance to drive the A6, S4 or the SQ5, you will realized what the 3.0T can really do.
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Its unfortunate that Audi choose to detune the 3.0T for the regular Q5, but if you ever get a chance to drive the A6, S4 or the SQ5, you will realized what the 3.0T can really do.
Always get someone like APR to fix it so that it doesn't run out of breath above 5200 rpm. Haven't seen anything from STaSIS, if you want to keep a warranty, but they have a Q7 tune.
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I test drove both back to back I'd take the Q5 over the X3 any day. Lots of products are detuned for lower cost models. It makes business and engineering sense.
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I test drove both back to back I'd take the Q5 over the X3 any day. Lots of products are detuned for lower cost models. It makes business and engineering sense.
We have owned both, and the wife and I both prefer the X3 35i over the Q5 3.2L.
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