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Old 02-18-2013, 02:26 PM
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Had to replace an RFT even though I never ran it flat

So I had a weird and expensive experience this weekend. Sorry for the long story.

After driving my car for 20 months keeping my tires inflated to the correct pressure (I have a small pancake compressor), I get in the car Saturday afternoon, drive away, and am welcomed with a low tire alarm on the right rear. So I stop after driving less than a quarter mile and measure the pressure with my digital gauge. The pressure is 30.5 psi (of 42 that I put in there about a week ago). So I drive it straight back home, fill the tire to 42 psi and take the other car to Universal Studios to see The Steve Miller Band. I get home about 2330, and expectedly the tire is down to 37.5. So in the morning I fill it to 42 again (it was at about 30 psi) and drive it to Tires Plus which is the only shop around here that will attempt to fix runflats.

They take it off and roll it over to me to show me how the entire inside sidewall is ruined, as if it had been driven on flat. Which it hadn't. So I am flabbergasted as to how this happened.

Needless to say, I had to buy a new tire to the tune of $304 installed. Which is way below cost for a Potenza RE050A I 255/30/18. I got a wrong quote from firestone (they quoted a front) but sold me the rear for that price anyway. Nice place.

So my question is how did this happen? I thought this only could happen if you ran it flat.

FYI I now hate runflats because the more I think of it, the worse they are. Can really leave you stranded.
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only one question is, have you owned the car from new? if you purchased it new then that is a strange thing to encounter. if used maybe the other owner drove on it flat and messed the tire up and a tire shop fixed it anyway, and left you with a damaged tire

only thing I can think of. Now I would be afraid of the other tires at this point

maybe have the rest unmounted and the interiors checked

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So, in your words, run-flats "Can really leave you stranded". I must be missing something, please enlighten me as to how these tires left you stranded?? You were able to go about your day, and roll into the tire shop at your convenience...all on a tire that failed for some reason. I would consider this a run-flat sucess, not a failure. A go-flat tire probably would have failed much sooner, and you may have been broke down on the side of the freeway when the concert started.
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I dont think he said it left him stranded, what I took from his comment is a run flat could leave you stranded, Until we get the answer, is he the first or second owner of the car, we dont know if a previous owner( if such exist ) drove on the tire with out air and was repaired and his little jaunt killed the side wall, maybe that little amount of driving under inflated was enough to destroy the tire, and I think you can be stranded if you have a catastrophic blow out where the tire disintegrates.

My opinion is if your low pressure indicator comes on, pull over immediately, check the pressures on all tires, carry a 12 Volt car compressor, fill the tire back up, and or carry a plug kit and if you find the nail/ screw stick a plug in it, get to the nearest tire store, but dont drive on the tire if you want to save it

maybe BMW needs to make DOR,,, drive on rims

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Old 02-19-2013, 06:16 AM
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To answer the question, owned the car since new. I never ran any tire flat, in fact never below 30.5 psi and only at that pressure for a quarter mile. Only thing that makes sense, and it doesn't make sense, is that running it for a quarter mile at 30.5 psi and less than 30 mph somehow damaged the inside sidewall. Unless the tire was put on the car at the factory already damaged. I am not going to check all the others at this point.

As far as the stranded thing, what if I was in Gainesville which I am quite often during football season, I spend the night after the Saturday game because I am celebrating the inevitable win, and I have this same incident. Only one out of 4 tire shops I called in Orlando had the tire in stock, the others had to order it and couldn't get it until Monday. Gainesville is tiny. Granted I could jump through a few hoops if the tire exists at the remote location and probably get the tire delivered to the shop I am at, if there is a courier working on Sunday, blah blah blah.

Point is this: My 2001 X5 (don't have it anymore), and my 2004 330ci both had/have a FULL SIZE spare that I always kept/keep at correct pressure. Never leaves me stranded. Let me reiterate: I hate donuts and RFTs. Would much rather have a full size spare all day long. FYI there is no room for a spare kit in the E93. Could possibly use a TPMS-friendly fix-a-flat and a portable mini-compressor. Would consider that. But how far can you safely drive on that? I would guess not over 50 miles.
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File this along with all the others under "run flat tires $uck. N4S
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The limitations of GFT and a mobility kit were brought home to me last week. Go out to my car and flat. BTW, I have Conti Extreme Contact DW. Try to pump it up, and the air is escaping as fast as the mobility kit can pump it in. Take off the wheel and there is a split on inside side wall. A curious failure given the sudden unexplained nature. Tire goo or plug is worthless in this scenario. Call Discount Tire to see about a replacement. "Sure, we can have one here in 5 business days." I dropped the wheel and tire off at Discount Tire last Wednesday to await the arrival of the replacement. I hope to get it today. Almost a week I would have been without transportation. But for the fact that I have the Z4, I would be completely screwed. And if it happened while I was out of town, I hate to think of the problems.

I ordered a compact spare. Should arrive tomorrow. Of course, I would have much the same problem with RFT in getting a replacement if the leak in the RFT was not repairable. Point being, not sure there is any good solution save for a full size spare properly stowed under the trunk liner. Last time I looked there wasn't enough room.
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The limitations of GFT and a mobility kit were brought home to me last week. Go out to my car and flat. BTW, I have Conti Extreme Contact DW. Try to pump it up, and the air is escaping as fast as the mobility kit can pump it in. Take off the wheel and there is a split on inside side wall. A curious failure given the sudden unexplained nature. Tire goo or plug is worthless in this scenario. Call Discount Tire to see about a replacement. "Sure, we can have one here in 5 business days." I dropped the wheel and tire off at Discount Tire last Wednesday to await the arrival of the replacement. I hope to get it today. Almost a week I would have been without transportation. But for the fact that I have the Z4, I would be completely screwed. And if it happened while I was out of town, I hate to think of the problems.

I ordered a compact spare. Should arrive tomorrow. Of course, I would have much the same problem with RFT in getting a replacement if the leak in the RFT was not repairable. Point being, not sure there is any good solution save for a full size spare properly stowed under the trunk liner. Last time I looked there wasn't enough room.

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They take it off and roll it over to me to show me how the entire inside sidewall is ruined, as if it had been driven on flat.
How would this be the fault of a RFT? If you had a regular go-flat tire, wouldn't it have been destroyed?
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[B]So my question is how did this happen? I
Your tire was telling you to skip the Steve Miller Band and upgrade to Zack Brown.
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Your tire was telling you to skip the Steve Miller Band and upgrade to Zack Brown.
I like Zack Brown Band. Saw them last year in Tampa. Off the chain show. For a country band haha.

Steve Miller is one of my all time favorites. His music is timeless. And he is such an accomplished musician. Have seen him 4 times in 5 years.
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How would this be the fault of a RFT? If you had a regular go-flat tire, wouldn't it have been destroyed?
Perhaps you don't understand the mystery of what happened. Read back this thread and you will see. I DIDN'T RUN IT WHILE IT WAS FLAT. RFTs suck if they are ruined when they are run at 30.5 psi for a quarter mile under 30 mph.
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RFTs suck if they are ruined when they are run at 30.5 psi for a quarter mile under 30 mph.
They aren't. Excluding the possibility of a defective tire, you can run ~50 miles at moderate speed on ZERO (psig) pressure. There is no way the sidewall would fail in a short distance at 30psi unless it was already damaged.

Something else happened to that tire before the final incident. All we can do is speculate, although photos might focus the speculation if you had some.

Since we're speculating: Are you absolutely certain it was the sidewall that failed? Or was it worn to the cords at the extreme inside edge of the tread/top of the sidewall, where the tread and sidewall meet? That would be typical for some BMWs, due to the combination of RWD, high power and substantial negative camber in the rear suspension. Many a first-time BMW owner (not referring to you) has come to grief over this point.
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I believe his other concern is, yes a go flat tire would share the same issue and strand you but the big Issue as I read it, THEIR IS NO SPARE TIRE IN THE FRIGGIN CAR!!!!!

thats the issue

I have a spare car which is a toyota 4 runner 4x4 and at 71 Triumph TR6 so I can still get around. But thinking I need to call the tire store and check on availability of my size tire, if none in stock I might purchase a front and rear tire to keep on hand
or even look on ebay for a spare set of tires and wheels, that way I can have summer and winter set
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And another thing, If the RFT cant be repaired I might as well drive the car home on the RFT, destroy the tire, and park the car at the house, jack the car up take the wheel off and take it to the tire place

providing I am withing 60 miles of home

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They aren't. Excluding the possibility of a defective tire, you can run ~50 miles at moderate speed on ZERO (psig) pressure. There is no way the sidewall would fail in a short distance at 30psi unless it was already damaged.

Something else happened to that tire before the final incident. All we can do is speculate, although photos might focus the speculation if you had some.

Since we're speculating: Are you absolutely certain it was the sidewall that failed? Or was it worn to the cords at the extreme inside edge of the tread/top of the sidewall, where the tread and sidewall meet? That would be typical for some BMWs, due to the combination of RWD, high power and substantial negative camber in the rear suspension. Many a first-time BMW owner (not referring to you) has come to grief over this point.
Agreed there is no way the sidewall would fail from what I did. I don't have any photos unfortunately.

What I saw was on one side of the tire BTW. The damage was around the entire circumference of the tire. It looked like more of a split of a layer or layers of rubber, I would say an inch to inch and a half above where the curved part starts. This was not wear I don't think. The tire had about 14100 miles on it, and lots of tread left across the whole tire. All my tires look very good with lots of even tread left.

I am writing this off as a defective tire, which I don't care to go after anyone, like the manufacturer or BMW about.

I am embarrased to say I left out one important detail in the original post: The tire had a nail in it that was causing it to lose air. Tires Plus was going to plug and patch it, but discovered the damage and couldn't.
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I am writing this off as a defective tire, which I don't care to go after anyone, like the manufacturer or BMW about.
That would be my conclusion, too. It's also probably not worth pursuing reimbursement as you mention.
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Somehow or other YOU DID RUN IT FLAT...unless you want to believe that the interior of your tire was subject to "flesh (rubber) eating bacteria."

You're claiming that there was NO indication of a nail, puncture...valve leak...impact? Nothing at all according to the dealer that changed the tire?
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That looks VERY strange and suspicious. I note that there's a lot of tread remaining. What did the interior look like? No punctures? No valve leaks? You might have a case.
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Full size spare? Who needs that? Just think of all the useless weight you are carrying all the time for no reason and all the fuel consumed in the process. And all the blue whales dying because of it. No, spare tire is a bad, nay, BAD idea.

Spare CAR, on the other hand, is perfectly acceptable and you should have one when owning a BMW. According to BMW engineers.

Yes, been there, done that. My RFT failed on Labor Day weekend. If it weren't for the spare car, I'd have been royally screwed. Since then, I have a E60 doughnut spare in my garage and Michelin PSS tires on my wheels.
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I am unlikely to buy Continental tires again. To follow up on my post above, I finally got the replacement tire today after a solid week to bring it from Georgia. I had this same problem about a year ago. Took a week to get a new Continental tire after an irreparable flat. Discount Tire told me Continentals are always difficult to get as they make only a limited number. He told me that he has had instances where it has taken a month to get a Continental. Seems incredible to me, but after two similar situations, I am a believer.
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That looks VERY strange and suspicious.
You look very strange and suspicious.
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