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E36 (1991 - 1999)
The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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Old 02-18-2013, 10:26 PM
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CAI rumors on e36

Hey guys! I've heard and read that cold air intakes so not work that well on e36 3 series, something to do with the maf sensor. Anyone know how to maybe get around this or test to see if my CAI is working properly ?
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:49 PM
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I would not bother with a CAI on a 4 cylinder engine. To make it work you would need a better flowing exhaust and an engine tune. Total you are look at something around a grand for a small HP increase. Unfortunately, the best way for you to get more HP is to swap the whole engine out.
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IIRC the obdi 4 bangers do not have a MAF, they have an air volume sensor only. They know how much volume is going through the intake, but not the density of the air which is what a CAI helps with (colder air is more dense). Therefore you really get absolutely no benefit.

Even the benefit on the 6 cylinder is small, mostly in throttle response, not power. The factory intakes on these cars provide plenty of flow AND are cold air only.

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yep... CAI's are fricken pointless unless you want to make louder engine noises from the front of the car, and minuscule improvements on throttle response, on the 6 cylinder cars. The 4 banger Bimmers are hopeless, I know women with electric hairdryers that make more power than the 1.8 so if you're going to mod your car, stick it in the suspension and brakes.
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yep... CAI's are fricken pointless unless you want to make louder engine noises from the front of the car, and minuscule improvements on throttle response, on the 6 cylinder cars. The 4 banger Bimmers are hopeless, I know women with electric hairdryers that make more power than the 1.8 so if you're going to mod your car, stick it in the suspension and brakes.
I likes the sound
I def. feel different in throttle response but I also have exhaust and a tune.
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I likes the sound
I def. feel different in throttle response but I also have exhaust and a tune.
yeah i feel like the exhaust and tune part wasn't relevant enough to bring up yet, as we're talking about a 318 i feel like this gets beaten to death every month. It's not like we have a stickied thread about CAIs and other common mods
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I gotta say, Lola's mini-keg intake shield really did make her sound like a pissed off sewing machine. A really slow sewing machine, but an angry one at the least.
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So basically my hopes of having a decent 4 cylinder are .... Hopeless /: oh well! Motorcycle in the spring time gets out my need for speed
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So basically my hopes of having a decent 4 cylinder are .... Hopeless /: oh well! Motorcycle in the spring time gets out my need for speed
Correct.

4 cylinders belong in bikes, not cars.

Even if you made it faster, the lack of low end torque is a deal breaker for me. As I discovered the hard way, even a turbo doesn't make up for it.

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Correct.

4 cylinders belong in bikes, not cars.

Even if you made it faster, the lack of low end torque is a deal breaker for me. As I discovered the hard way, even a turbo doesn't make up for it.

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Whoa do you ride Harley's or something? All my bikes are two cylinders !
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Whoa do you ride Harley's or something? All my bikes are two cylinders !
yea, your bikes may be 2 cylinders but the average crotch rocket makes more HP from 2 than the 1.8L in your bimmer makes, with 4.
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Correct.

4 cylinders belong in bikes, not cars.

Even if you made it faster, the lack of low end torque is a deal breaker for me. As I discovered the hard way, even a turbo doesn't make up for it.

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You'll get far more low end torque with a 2 cylinder than a 4 on a bike

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Um... Harley's ARE 2 cylinders... ... ...

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yea, your bikes may be 2 cylinders but the average crotch rocket makes more HP from 2 than the 1.8L in your bimmer makes, with 4.
My 2 cylinder SV650 is ~70 hp. (And she goes faster than a 4 cylinder bimmer top end too). It really should go without saying that its a little faster to 60 too
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Um... Harley's ARE 2 cylinders... ... ...



My 2 cylinder SV650 is ~70 hp. (And she goes faster than a 4 cylinder bimmer top end too)
yeah, precisely. if you look at some of the high end 1100 and 1200cc bikes they make what most economy cars do with similar sized 4 cylinders.
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Whoa do you ride Harley's or something? All my bikes are two cylinders !
Harleys are v-twins (2 cylinder) and are miserable bikes.

My CBR and ST (probably my favorite bike I've ridden) were both 4s, just makes for a much smoother ride than a twin. Even my early 80s KZ was a 4cyl.

Edit, Ken, most all sport bikes are inline 4s with a few v4s as well, not too many twin sport bikes.

Edit, Ed, I was referring to 4 vs 6 on a car for torque. I happily give up a bit of low end torque on a bike to get the smoothness of a 4 for touring.

Dammit, now I want to go get another ST.

Or a KZ750 Specre. Maybe its just that it was my first bike, but I feel rather nostalgic towards it and miss it.

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Harleys are v-twins (2 cylinder) and are miserable bikes.

My CBR and ST (probably my favorite bike I've ridden) were both 4s, just makes for a much smoother ride than a twin. Even my early 80s KZ was a 4cyl.

Edit, Ken, most all sport bikes are inline 4s with a few v4s as well, not too many twin sport bikes.

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Most Ducati's are 2 cylinders though Chad
Their market share is small enough that my point stands.

CBR, VFR, GSXR, FZ basically comprise the bulk of sport bikes on the market and they're all 4s. I know there are outliers like Duc and Triumph, but most of em are 4 bangers.

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Jesus I had no idea they were 4 bangers! I always thought the 600cc bikes were 2 bangers
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