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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 02-22-2013, 08:53 PM
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Awd and DSC malfunction warning

Ive been getting this for the past month randomly but when i shut off the car and turn it back on it goes away, went to the dealer they told me probably low battery so i trickle charged the battery and the warning came back a week later, anyone know whats up with this or have experience with this warning before?
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:20 PM
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You need a new battery.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:47 PM
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but the weird thiing is they checked 3 months ago and said my battery was 100%, i do live in alberta where we get to -30 sometimes but its garage kept for the most part
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:09 AM
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How old is you battery?
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:11 AM
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about 4 years old
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:57 AM
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First step new battery.

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Old 02-23-2013, 06:08 AM
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Had a similar issue. Dealer replaced steering angle sensor. Problem fixed.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:13 AM
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First step new battery.

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even if its still running 100%?
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:13 AM
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Had a similar issue. Dealer replaced steering angle sensor. Problem fixed.
how much was it if u dont mind me asking
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:17 AM
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Steering angle sensor is another good thing to check, but I'd try a battery first if I were throwing parts at it instead of having it diagnosed.

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Old 02-23-2013, 12:20 PM
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how much was it if u dont mind me asking

It was covered under extended warranty so it cost me $100.

The ticket shows $1130.98 charged to the warranty.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:35 PM
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They are usually on the steering shaft buried under the dash and a pain to R&R
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:49 PM
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It was covered under extended warranty so it cost me $100.

The ticket shows $1130.98 charged to the warranty.
hmmm i have extended warranty i hope thats covered if it is the problem!
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:14 PM
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Had a similar issue. Dealer replaced steering angle sensor. Problem fixed.
To be clear- you had this mysterious iossue that had no codes and the dealer said "probably the battery" and somehoe changed the steering angle sensor and it fixed it?

Or you had the malfunction, codes read, said bad sensor and fixed?

HOW a problem presents is essential to the diagnosis, especiall when we (ie 'civiilains') dont have scanners and BMW computers.

OP what do you mean by "100%". Unless you know PRECISELY how the dealer tested the battery, you should not assume it is good.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:29 PM
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To be clear- you had this mysterious iossue that had no codes and the dealer said "probably the battery" and somehoe changed the steering angle sensor and it fixed it?

Or you had the malfunction, codes read, said bad sensor and fixed?

HOW a problem presents is essential to the diagnosis, especiall when we (ie 'civiilains') dont have scanners and BMW computers.

OP what do you mean by "100%". Unless you know PRECISELY how the dealer tested the battery, you should not assume it is good.
When I bought the car few months back they inspected everything and told me my battery was perfect
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:59 PM
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When I bought the car few months back they inspected everything and told me my battery was perfect
Then I'd put as much faith in that as me saying "your computer has no malware".

Look, people think a BMW dealer is some temple of automotive excellence- with smarmy Service Advisors acting like their S doesnt stink, and they are your peers... assuring you that only the finest techs will touch your baby, and creating a powerfull illusion.

Truth is, they slam cars through quicky inspections done by minimum wage monkeys, with maybe a quick visual by a tech. Do you really think they disconnect the battery and do a full draw down and Cold crank amp test?????? For your $125 'new car inspection'...or worse, the free 'safety check'.

I am not saying it is a battery for sure. But I know a few things:

1. Newer BMWs do weird things when the batteries start aging- a car will start, but throw errors from disparate modules after starting (I think due to transient low voltages causing modules to miscommunicate, and errors crop up like you report)

2. You dealer SAID 'battery issue'.

3. You could spend $200 for a full diagnostic work up at the dealer- and maybe not find it. Or you can drop in a new battery NOT AT THE DEALER and see if it fixes it. if that battery is over 3,4 years old, it is not as if you are replacing a new part that might last another 10 years.

I think this is the diagnostic/logic train others are using too....

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After 4 years I think the battery is not 100%...
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:10 PM
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:34 PM
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Unfortunately unless a steering position sensor fails entirely, it won't store a code

Same with other potentiometers like throttle position sensors. Just an FYI.

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Or you had the malfunction, codes read, said bad sensor and fixed?

Yes.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:49 PM
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Ard is right!!! Lets face it even if replacing the battery don't fix your problem you will need a new one soon, why not replace it now
And eliminate that... One thing for sure European cars BMW,BENZ, AUDI have more electronic modules and you can drain your battery fast..
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