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Old 02-23-2013, 11:05 AM
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Here's some advice. Get a 5 series. 3 series are for girls.
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Perfect. So I'll look for an '04-'06 ZHP Coupe or Cabrio, won't have any of the transmission issues. Any advice on options? Bluetooth even available back then? Does the ZHP have all the handling goodies that I'd want, or was there some additional ride/handling package that I should look out for? If this is my chance to get back to the 3 Series 'roots', don't want to blow it.

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Glad to hear you're thinking about coming over to the dark side. The zhp package is the additional handling package, it's essentially the sport package with beefier M-designed components. Nicely optioned I'd think you'd want premium, zhp, cold weather for split folding rear seats, heated seats, and useless headlight washers. Bluetooth was a stand alone option back then.

I think the premium package got you leather, but not 100% on that. I'm not a fan of the alcantara interior due to looks and wearability, but that's just personal preference.
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Thanks, I'm going to take the M3 Cabrio off the list.

Looks like a ZHP then.



Perfect. So I'll look for an '04-'06 ZHP Coupe or Cabrio, won't have any of the transmission issues. Any advice on options? Bluetooth even available back then? Does the ZHP have all the handling goodies that I'd want, or was there some additional ride/handling package that I should look out for? If this is my chance to get back to the 3 Series 'roots', don't want to blow it.

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There are very good aftermarket Bluetooth devices available that will integrated nicely into the car.

http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/b...-free-car-kits

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Here's some advice. Get a 5 series. 3 series are for girls.
that's pretty funny. just like when i had an E39 530 and felt like I was driving an old man's car. Feels like a buick compared to a sport suspensioned 3.
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My grandfather bought two Oldsmobile Toronado's simultaneously for himself and his son in 1966, one was harvest gold the other hunter green. I don't remember them (I was all of 2 years old) but I do remember them giving me a plastic showroom model which I played with until I was 10.

My uncle's next car was a 1968 Jaguar XKE, burgandy, which he sold for peanuts in 1975. Still hate him for that. Even though he's dead.

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It appears New Jersey has similar license restrictions to California. Not like when I got my Cali license in the '70's. Learners permit @ 15 and a half & full license @ 16 with no restrictions. Are most states this way for new drivers ? Love the picture of the Toronado. My best friend growing up in San Clemente , Ca. Father was an MD. New Cadillac every few years. However , one year, he got the Toronado. That car was huge. Lots of electrics & gadgets. Memories. Good luck with your car search Have you gone on the E46 Forum for advice? Also, you might consider looking for a E46 through your Mission Viego friend I m thinking a 7-8 year old Bimmer in New Jersey might be more susceptible too body rust , salt on the roads etc. :thumbup Have fun in your car search. Your son is in for a treat
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Perfect. So I'll look for an '04-'06 ZHP Coupe or Cabrio, won't have any of the transmission issues. Any advice on options? Bluetooth even available back then? Does the ZHP have all the handling goodies that I'd want, or was there some additional ride/handling package that I should look out for? If this is my chance to get back to the 3 Series 'roots', don't want to blow it.

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ZHP is the Performance Package and it is the personification of all the handling/ride goodies. Bluetooth was available, but is pretty rare. It can be added at a not totally unreasonable cost. It is very common for a ZHP not to have the premium package, which is this case mainly means no lumbar support, so don't let that slow you down. The Homelink garage door opener remote is a "dealer installed" option and is any easy diy. It is mounted in the sunroof control panel and can be purchased for about $75. The car is pre-wired for it and there are tons of diy instructions for it on the web. However, it you get a 'vert, which I know will be your preference, the control is part of the rearview mirror and may not be such an easy or inexpensive diy.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:33 AM
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Do not forget the Cadillac Eldorado FWD too!
As I was typing that I was thinking the Eldorado was FWD, too. That is a gorgeous specimen there.
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Good job on the lease.

Since over the course of the first 3 years this car will be used by myself 90%/80%/70% of the time as his NJ driving privileges increase slowly, I'm sort of the priority and I don't want to drive a Honda on the commute 2x a week. The primary reason for this 3rd car is to give dad some fun on sunny days and keep the mileage off the leased F30.

So I'm thinking that a nice, clean E46 Cabrio would make me happy and give him something to cut his teeth on in a parking lot (2013) and under a supervised dad-shotgun permit (2014). Where we go after that can change, perhaps then into a leased stripped Civic.

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BJ, you really shall look at CPO 1 series. You can get Premium Pack + SatNav + xenon for under 20k. I seriously cannot picture you trolling around Walmart parking lot in an E46 cabriolet. At least on the day you don't want to put milage on your F30, Walmart shoppers & single moms in Jersey will assume you are an cool enthusiast driving a current shape BMW 1 series coupe.

Come on, any kids with Bat Mitzvah /or Quinceaneras money can afford an E46.
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BJ, you really shall look at CPO 1 series. You can get Premium Pack + SatNav + xenon for under 20k. I seriously cannot picture you trolling around Walmart parking lot in an E46 cabriolet. At least on the day you don't want to put milage on your F30, Walmart shoppers & single moms in Jersey will assume you are an cool enthusiast driving a current shape BMW 1 series coupe.

Come on, any kids with Bat Mitzvah /or Quinceaneras money can afford an E46.
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what a dumb*ss comment
Dude, instead of conducting personal insult why don't you go back & read what BJ said about older BMW especially E46?

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It's ironic how you go around insisting your L328 is a beast, but you want an E46 to have some fun while driving. Can't blame you, as i was considering getting a used e46 after driving my F30. Just one advise, be very carefull with local cars. So many got flooded during Sandy, not all were reported to insurance companies (someone who does not have full coverage has no reason to report it) so flood damage will not come up on car fax. I know many used cars dealers who bought dozens of flooded cars for next to nothing and will try to fix them up and sell them as if nothing ever happened to them.
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The only BIIIIG shocker here is the confrontation of BJ when he'll realize that this 8 yo and "inefficient" M54 is so much more fun (by factors) than his high $ new car with a N20.

It will be a tremendous shock for sure.

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The only BIIIIG shocker here is the confrontation of BJ when he'll realize that this 8 yo and "inefficient" M54 is so much more fun (by factors) than his high $ new car with a N20.

It will be a tremendous shock for sure.

Just be prepared.
That inefficient M54 may cost him more than N20's lease payment. He either has to pay cash or finance (< 48 months with higher interest ) on an older vehicle. Lease is no longer an option. Just saying.
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Well oddly my 184HP M54 was taking less fuel than my N52 (11.3 vs 12.6L/100)..

That was an endearing engine. All BMW should have minimally this feeling. It is the standard. I feel bad for the ones with tractor engines.
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The only BIIIIG shocker here is the confrontation of BJ when he'll realize that this 8 yo and "inefficient" M54 is so much more fun (by factors) than his high $ new car with a N20.

It will be a tremendous shock for sure.

Just be prepared.
i think he already realized that. it makes little financial sense to buy another car to save miles on a lease. Would be cheaper to pay for miles at the end, or buy additional miles at a discount before the lease end. So he must be driven by the "fun to drive" factor more than anything else.
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i think he already realized that. it makes little financial sense to buy another car to save miles on a lease. Would be cheaper to pay for miles at the end, or buy additional miles at a discount before the lease end. So he must be driven by the "fun to drive" factor more than anything else.
Eh, a lot of factors make up your choice for a DD. An E46 ZHP might be more fun, hell I looked at the BRZ-that's pretty damn fun. But for all the components of a DD, the F30 has a lot going for it even if the fun quotient isn't as high as it could be.

Now if your DD card is good and covered and you can have a FUN car. Lots of options there. I have a 2 seat BMW to fill that role...an F30 or 4dr BMW of any kind would not do a good job there.
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It's ironic how you go around insisting your L328 is a beast, but you want an E46 to have some fun while driving. Can't blame you, as i was considering getting a used e46 after driving my F30. Just one advise, be very carefull with local cars. So many got flooded during Sandy, not all were reported to insurance companies (someone who does not have full coverage has no reason to report it) so flood damage will not come up on car fax. I know many used cars dealers who bought dozens of flooded cars for next to nothing and will try to fix them up and sell them as if nothing ever happened to them.
"Fun while driving" = A Convertible.

"Fun while driving" = Not a Honda.

"Son getting learners permit" = E46 as a cheap throwaway for a 15 year old.

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"Fun while driving" = A Convertible.

"Fun while driving" = Not a Honda.

"Son getting learners permit" = E46 as a cheap throwaway for a 15 year old.

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ZHP envy. I predict your son will get the f30 and you will hold on to e46 and cherish it as it should be
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ZHP envy. I predict your son will get the f30 and you will hold on to e46 and cherish it as it should be
I've driven E36's and E46's, they're nothing special.

I'm looking for a cheap, safe, and capable BMW for my 14 year old to play with come July that as an added bonus can be a tops-down plaything for dad a few mornings each week. I gave up my E93 for my kids, time for a little reciprocation.

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It appears New Jersey has similar license restrictions to California. Not like when I got my Cali license in the '70's. Learners permit @ 15 and a half & full license @ 16 with no restrictions. Are most states this way for new drivers ? Love the picture of the Toronado. My best friend growing up in San Clemente , Ca. Father was an MD. New Cadillac every few years. However , one year, he got the Toronado. That car was huge. Lots of electrics & gadgets. Memories. Good luck with your car search Have you gone on the E46 Forum for advice? Also, you might consider looking for a E46 through your Mission Viego friend I m thinking a 7-8 year old Bimmer in New Jersey might be more susceptible too body rust , salt on the roads etc. :thumbup Have fun in your car search. Your son is in for a treat
Good idea, perhaps I'll find a California car and ship it back here.

Did the E46 Cabrio have an optional detachable hardtop? I know the E36 did.

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