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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Here's some advice. Get a 5 series. 3 series are for girls.
If a 3 series is for girls then a 5 series is for women.
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Good idea, perhaps I'll find a California car and ship it back here.

Did the E46 Cabrio have an optional detachable hardtop? I know the E36 did.

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Yes, craigslist is a good source for scoring an e46 hardtop.
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1 series must be for girly teenagers
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"Fun while driving" = A Convertible.

"Fun while driving" = Not a Honda.

"Son getting learners permit" = E46 as a cheap throwaway for a 15 year old.

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BJ, how about a last-gen Z4, or do you want the back seat?

Like you said I think, ZHP convertible seems like the way to go. You might encounter an owner who thinks his car is worth the moon though.
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I've driven E36's and E46's, they're nothing special.

I'm looking for a cheap, safe, and capable BMW for my 14 year old to play with come July that as an added bonus can be a tops-down plaything for dad a few mornings each week. I gave up my E93 for my kids, time for a little reciprocation.

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Might be tough to get a good deal on a ZHP convertible, since there are so few out there. If you can't find one, the sports package E46 convertible has the same suspension I think and would be cheaper.
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Best place to find a ZHP is on the BMW website, believe it or not. I think it's the only "old" BMW that they list there. Got a 2004 with 19.4k on the clock last year for my wife.
Yes, always good to check BMWUSA's page, and BMW CCA's classifieds is also good, found my ZHP on there.
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Might be tough to get a good deal on a ZHP convertible, since there are so few out there. If you can't find one, the sports package E46 convertible has the same suspension I think and would be cheaper.
Thanks, I'll look into that as well.

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BJ, how about a last-gen Z4, or do you want the back seat?

Like you said I think, ZHP convertible seems like the way to go. You might encounter an owner who thinks his car is worth the moon though.
Need the back seat. Since my son will ultimately inherit the car that I'll buy, has to be practical for him to get around with his friends and so some chores like dropping his brothers and sister off at practice, etc.

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Yes, craigslist is a good source for scoring an e46 hardtop.
Great news, I'll start looking.

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Best place to find a ZHP is on the BMW website, believe it or not. I think it's the only "old" BMW that they list there. Got a 2004 with 19.4k on the clock last year for my wife.
Just checked and there is a lot of inventory near me of E46 convertibles, not sure how may are ZHP's, will try to find out.

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BJ I would buy him a beater for his first car. Not wishing this on you, but 2 of my 3 kids had accidents their first year of driving. Let him practice for a year then treat him to a BMW!
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BJ I would buy him a beater for his first car. Not wishing this on you, but 2 of my 3 kids had accidents their first year of driving. Let him practice for a year then treat him to a BMW!
That's the purpose of the 2006 ZHP.

I'm looking for a convertible for myself right away, he's in parking lots until July 2014 and heavily restricted until July 2015. By then, the ZHP will be 10 years old, quite the "beater".

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I'm pretty sure there was a suspension difference between the sports suspension and the zhp.- also a difference in the steering rack if I'm not mistaken. Positive changes, of course
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So it "looks" like there are 3 ZHP's available on the BMW website. One in Jacksonville, maybe one in Lincoln and one in West Virginia. Lots of times the dealers don't know what they've got...no surprise there. If the "stock " photo in the ad shows a red car with a 3/4 right rear view, it probably is a ZHP. The car I bought wasn't listed with the "performance package", but after I insisted they check the listing again (it had the red car stock picture) he called me back and confirmed that it is a ZHP. They're one of the best BMW's ever built, my wife loves hers. They do sell quickly.
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That's the purpose of the 2006 ZHP.

I'm looking for a convertible for myself right away, he's in parking lots until July 2014 and heavily restricted until July 2015. By then, the ZHP will be 10 years old, quite the "beater".

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Gee, I wish my Dad thought like you.. better than my first beater car, a 1967 Mercury Monterey:



I paid the neighbor $50 for the vehicle. It came standard with the bulletproof 390 CI and a C6 transmission but that was the only good thing about the car. The car only had 60K miles but the trunk was completely rusted out and therefore useless, literally, when you opened the trunk and looked in, you seen the two frame rails and the ground! The driver floorboard was rusted through and I cut and fit a piece of plywood to fit under the floor mat because the hole was large enough for a bowling ball to go through! those old Fords did not like Michigan salt. Had to take to the salvage yard when the transmission cross member broke (it rusted out).

I really like your idea for the ZHP Roadster, enjoy it and put it out there in front of the Son and tell him to keep his nose clean and his grades high and this will be yours someday! Now that I think about it BJ... can I be your adopted Son?!
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I know it's probably not your thing, BJ, but how about a Golf R convertible?

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BJ I would buy him a beater for his first car. Not wishing this on you, but 2 of my 3 kids had accidents their first year of driving. Let him practice for a year then treat him to a BMW!
At least the BMW will be pretty safe. More than a Civic probably.
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BJ, couldn't you let him lightly use the F30?
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BJ, couldn't you let him lightly use the F30?
Not until he breaks $100,000 annually.

There are some covenants not to be broken.

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Not until he breaks $100,000 annually.

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Isn't the F30 gonna be a beater by the time your kid is driving?
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Isn't the F30 gonna be a beater by the time your kid is driving?
True.

But the F30 is the current bodystyle nonetheless, and no one making under $100K shall drive a current bodystyle 3 Series.

I let my son ride in the front seat, but he is not allowed to touch the roundel or the anthracite wood trim.

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True.

But the F30 is the current bodystyle nonetheless, and no one making under $100K shall drive a current bodystyle 3 Series.
Does it have to be base salary or can it include bonuses?
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I have been pondering this issue as my son gets near 14...Our discussion has involved him researching the car he wants, putting together a rationale, and then restoring it together. One of my reasons for wanting something we can restore together is so that he has some blood, sweat, and tears in the car. That way when I hand him the keys he is less likely to do something colossally stupid (didn't say he won't...just less likely). We have been looking at late production e30's and e36's as a good place to start. But in your scenario I think any e46 with lower mileage would be a good choice. The ZHP is fun to drive for sure, but perhaps just a regular e46 coupe with sport package would work too. Cost would be lower, fun would still be there, and you wouldn't be as upset if something happened to it. Plus ZHP's have some expensive interior bits that are wear items, like the alcantara steering wheel. I'm just not sure there is value added in your use case by going with the ZHP.
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I personally would not want my kids driving a convertible when they first started driving. I would worry about roll-overs and driving crazier because the top is down and the wind is blowing in a 16 year old's hair. That's too much of a testosterone stimulant, IMO.

I have twins - boy and girl. Daughter's first car was a front wheel drive Jetta. Son's first car was an all-wheel drive Subaru WRX (MT). Both had top crash ratings.

Fortunately, both drove each car through HS, college undergrad, and graduate school with no driving issues or mechanical problems.

It's do as I say and not as I did. My first car was a 1967 MG Midget (convertible). That's why I know better than to have given my son a convertible to drive while in HS.
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I like the ZHP idea myself if you are intent on staying in the BMW realm and given your dual-purpose for the vehicle. In my case, my son got my hand-me down E36 - 328i 5 speed, sport package Hellrot sedan...and promptly totaled it 6 months later. We then got him a 2003 Ford Focus SVT (Sonic blue, 5 door). The Focus was really perfect for him and the SVT goodies were great - I really liked driving it when I got the chance and didn't care that it was FWD. Heck I still have a recurring Autotrader search in case another pops up that doesn't have a billion miles on it. Of course...he totaled that!

Now, since I am not one to learn from my mistakes, we got him another E36...this time an Alpine White 97 M3 coupe. While it is a great, solid car, it does remind me of just how non-luxe the E36 really was. It had an aftermarket exhaust (no cats either) and after a year even he got tired of it and we swapped the factory exhaust back in - ah, blissful peace.

Anyway, the ZHP ticks all the right boxes for me - 4 door, nice styling tweaks, rare, 6 speed, and not too much juice (with regard to your son).

Having said all that, if I had to buy a car for my son right now, I might lean toward something like the Mazda 3s 5 door hatch. I recognize this car is really for you first and your son second, so back to the ZHP.
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Having said all that, if I had to buy a car for my son right now, I might lean toward something like the Mazda 3s 5 door hatch. I recognize this car is really for you first and your son second, so back to the ZHP.
My son's HS friend got a Mazda 3 and totalled it 2 weeks afterwards. He was very fortunate that he was not severely injured or worse. The car looked like a crumpled piece of paper. Fortunately, he got the car about 4 months before our kids got their learners permit which gave me some time to do research on crash ratings.

I really liked the Mazda 3 but decided to quickly drop it from my list of contenders after seeing how poorly it held up in a crash.
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Anyway, the ZHP ticks all the right boxes for me - 4 door, nice styling tweaks, rare, 6 speed, and not too much juice (with regard to your son).
In the interest of the safety of BJ's son, I want to address a misconception here.

We're all a bit jaded when it comes whether we deem a car to be "fast" and "powerful." Older cars like an E46 are dismissed as slow "beaters" in comparison to current models. That's a mistake. Shopping cars for a new driver, it can be helpful to take a step back and remember how the car ranked against peers in its era.

An E46 330i/xi is an agile, powerful car--full stop. The ZHP, even more so. 225+ HP is nothing to sneeze at. Just because a modern grocery-getter may out-muscle either one does not make them milquetoast toys that are harmless to an inexperienced kid. If anything, quite the opposite: The highly-capable BMW chassis tends to inspire confidence not matched by the driver's skill. They don't know they're headed for trouble until too late and lack the car-control skills to avoid disaster.

BJ, before you hand down something like a ZHP to your son, please enroll him in a car-control clinic for new drivers, like the Tire Rack Street Survival program. You don't even have to go far: We (the NJ Chapter of the BMW CCA) host a Street Survival every spring right in your neck of the woods, at Campgaw Mountain Reservation.

As the line from Top Gun goes, it may be difficult to keep a teenage boy's ego from writing checks his body can't cash. So put a little extra allowance in his bank account of skills, as insurance against any lapses in judgement.
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