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Old 02-25-2013, 05:05 AM
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Crank time

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Recently replaced an ailing battery in my 2007 E92. Now i'm thinking i may have an issue with the starter. When I hit the button, she cranks good and strong, but it seems to me it takes longer than it should for the engine to fire up. Could a faulty starter lead to extended cranking time to fire the engine?

Car has 118k on the odo and i'm sure the starter is original.

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Old 02-25-2013, 05:29 AM
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once is started how does it run?

I suspect you may need your injectors cleaned.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:51 AM
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once is started how does it run?

I suspect you may need your injectors cleaned.
Hmmm.. really?

Once started she purrs like a kitten... I typically run Techron through the tank roughly every 3k miles... I do almost monthly long trips >900+ miles ... 450+ of those miles in a single day... Those days I try to remember to run a tank with Techron.

The dealer recently tried to sell me injector service.... (on both of my BMW's)... I think it's part of the service sales pitch with no "evidence" of needing it shared in the pitch... Of course if longer crank times are associated with injector issues, it would make sense.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:55 AM
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Hello,

Recently replaced an ailing battery in my 2007 E92. Now i'm thinking i may have an issue with the starter. When I hit the button, she cranks good and strong, but it seems to me it takes longer than it should for the engine to fire up. Could a faulty starter lead to extended cranking time to fire the engine?

Car has 118k on the odo and i'm sure the starter is original.

Assuming you're talking about your 328i, when did you last have Vanos solenoids cleaned?

How long's she take to catch fire?
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:28 AM
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Assuming you're talking about your 328i, when did you last have Vanos solenoids cleaned?

How long's she take to catch fire?
The dealer did the "blow out" method of cleaning them back around 70k.... Funny you mentioned it though... At my recent visit with the dealer (state inspection/emission), they told me of some "stored codes" I wasn't able to see with my ODB reader relating to the Vanos... They cleared the codes (I forget what they were)... When I asked about blowing them out again, the SA told me that BMW no longer takes that approach and they should be replaced.

As for the crank time... I'm going to say consistently 2-4 seconds...
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I had a similar situation a couple of years ago. They had to replace the valve in the fuel line that holds some fuel near the engine to allow the car to start. Mine failed and allowed all of the fuel to drain back to the rear of the car. It was having to literally pump fuel all the way from the rear of the car before it would catch. I forget the actual name of the part, but it seemed simple enough to fix.
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Its not going to be the injectors if it runs fine. It probably is the track Cal is on.
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Ever change the plugs?
Yes... plugs changed out at 92k... was planning to do the ignition coils around 150k as a preventative maintenance item....unless they start to exhibit issues earlier.
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Brew, you've read a lot of good guesses up above, any one of them is possible. Or not. What a professional shop would do is look at your PIDs which are all the things the computer reads (like engine tempperature and air fuel ratio and throttle position) and then controls based on the input (like fuel injector pulse width and cam timing and ignition timing). They'd be looking for something irregular. Unfortunately, unless the computer gets what is considered "implausible" input it assumes the signal is correct and uses that information in its calculations without setting a code (which would illuminate the 'check engine' -MIL- light). So it will take a skilled diagnostician to narrow down where your problem lies.
I sure wouldn't exclude the common problem sources like Vanos faults or ignition coil breakdown or air slow air/fuel ratio sensors, and I'd take a peek at them first.

Edit: My WAG? I'm going with the air/fuel ratio sensors. Where do I send the bill?

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Not fuel injectors unless one is bleeding down. Here is a good test to tell if the fuel injector problem might be the deal meaning bleeding down or a loss of fuel pressurization, turn the key or button to pos 2 wait a few seconds then try to start the car.
You don't need to pull codes this way.
Allowing the pos 2 for a few seconds allows the fuel pump to run for 2 seconds before shutting off. If the car starts much sooner than you have something bleeding fuel pressure down and that could be anything from your fuel pump to your injectors.
If this makes no change than code pulling is a good idea. Many have been successful cleaning their VANOS solenoids and reinstalling. No issue swapping them after cleaning either since they are the same and if one of them was a cause of the slow fire it should be reflected in a change of condition in starting.

Longer crankling in my experience usually points to a fuel pressure bleed down.
Please post what you find is the cause of the problem to help us all learn...
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I had a similar situation a couple of years ago. They had to replace the valve in the fuel line that holds some fuel near the engine to allow the car to start. Mine failed and allowed all of the fuel to drain back to the rear of the car. It was having to literally pump fuel all the way from the rear of the car before it would catch. I forget the actual name of the part, but it seemed simple enough to fix.


Does sound like low fuel pressure/availability.

OP - read those codes! Then, you'll know which way to go.

FYI: Vanos DIY
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:43 AM
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Brew, you've read a lot of good guesses up above, any one of them is possible. Or not. What a professional shop would do is look at your PIDs which are all the things the computer reads (like engine tempperature and air fuel ratio and throttle position) and then controls based on the input (like fuel injector pulse width and cam timing and ignition timing). They'd be looking for something irregular. Unfortunately, unless the computer gets what is considered "implausible" input it assumes the signal is correct and uses that information in its calculations without setting a code (which would illuminate the 'check engine' -MIL- light). So it will take a skilled diagnostician to narrow down where your problem lies.
I sure wouldn't exclude the common problem sources like Vanos faults or ignition coil breakdown or air slow air/fuel ratio sensors, and I'd take a peek at them first.

Edit: My WAG? I'm going with the air/fuel ratio sensors. Where do I send the bill?
Thanks for the info... now do you have a shop close to Allentown PA?
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Thanks for the info... now do you have a shop close to Allentown PA?

Guessing the Schaeffer Brewery's still there.....once upon a time my father spec'd part of the plant....I've zipped up there many a time.
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Guessing the Schaeffer Brewery's still there.....once upon a time my father spec'd part of the plant....I've zipped up there many a time.
ha... Schaeffer = Strohs = Sam Admams these days... and oh yes, she's in full production. Come on up!
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once is started how does it run?

I suspect you may need your injectors cleaned.
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Not fuel injectors unless one is bleeding down. Here is a good test to tell if the fuel injector problem might be the deal meaning bleeding down or a loss of fuel pressurization, turn the key or button to pos 2 wait a few seconds then try to start the car.
You don't need to pull codes this way.
Allowing the pos 2 for a few seconds allows the fuel pump to run for 2 seconds before shutting off. If the car starts much sooner than you have something bleeding fuel pressure down and that could be anything from your fuel pump to your injectors.
If this makes no change than code pulling is a good idea. Many have been successful cleaning their VANOS solenoids and reinstalling. No issue swapping them after cleaning either since they are the same and if one of them was a cause of the slow fire it should be reflected in a change of condition in starting.

Longer crankling in my experience usually points to a fuel pressure bleed down.
Please post what you find is the cause of the problem to help us all learn...
Trying also to learn here, but Brewder has a 328i. That means it is naturally aspirated, no?
Correct me if I am wrong, but no fuel injection in the 328, yes?

Is VANOS solenoid replacement something to look forward to?
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Trying also to learn here, but Brewder has a 328i. That means it is naturally aspirated, no? Correct me if I am wrong, but no fuel injection in the 328, yes?
Port Fuel Injection (rather than Direct as on 335i). Lower pressure, into the intake manifold.
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Trying also to learn here, but Brewder has a 328i. That means it is naturally aspirated, no?
Correct me if I am wrong, but no fuel injection in the 328, yes?

Is VANOS solenoid replacement something to look forward to?
NA? Yes.
Fuel injected? Yes.
Look forward to VANOS solenoid replacement? Only you can answer that.
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Here in Baltimore, Schaefer is the one beer to have when you only have 1 dollar in your pocket.

Carling Brewery still on the Beltway?
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I wasn't aware that Schaefer or Carling were still in business.

"Hey Mable, Black Label!"

Ha! Mebbe not....been awhile....G Heilman bought 'em way, way back when.
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