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Old 02-26-2013, 09:32 PM
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If there's one regret I have it's that I'm just not up to the task of keeping up this black swirl-free, nor do I think I capable of being careful enough with it to keep it truly swirl free. I just washed it for the first time myself, after spending hundreds on paint corrections, and I swear if I undid the work that those hundreds went toward, I'm just putting this car into "beater mode".... which if one knows me and my OCD extremist ways (I gotta be insanely careful with something or almost reckless with it), they'd think that it actually might be the best thing that can happen to me with this car, because it will allow me to treat it like a true utilitarian tool while exploiting all its virtues (as opposed to constantly stressing about not swirling it, scratching it, driving it too hard, dirtying it, etc.).

As for looks, I think the black on the F10 M Sport is the hottest color it comes with, but I miss the days of being able to rub sandpaper if I wanted on my white car and not be able to see any of the swirls anyway.

Petee: That's the whole point here. As happy as I was with my W212, the F10 gave me exactly what I wanted: More of what the W212 did good, and a piece of that more flavorful sportiness I was seeking from something like a 911, which was too extreme for me (hence the seeking of a middle ground), and catering to some new ground as well.

Yes BMW's designs are very homogenous, however IMO they have perhaps the best design language out there, so it's hard to blame them. M-B has become so confused, lost so much identity as they've tried to copy so many others, mainly BMW, that they've lost their design language, which is why I've warmed up to BMW's (and Audi's, and Porsche's) clear-headed, focused, iconicized homogenous approach these days. M-B is so all-over-the-place they can't even stand behind their own designs, therefore they date their own cars, screwing over owners who entrusted a Premium manufacturer by making such drastic facelifts. IMO it shows poor leadership and a confused or maybe incapable design team. The W212 facelift actually makes it look so much like a wannabe C-Class, it seems like M-B is once again following BMW's and Audi's lead and trying now to copy their homogeny, unfortunately the rest of the W212 is so angular and hard-edged it just doesn't look right to me as it now tries to mashup some rounded/organic elements. As even more clear proof of how M-B has lost their design leadership, just look at how many manufacturers copy them these days: None. Just several years ago, everyone copied M-B, now, everyone, very much including M-B copies BMW and the new darling: Audi. This shows the industry itself doesn't consider M-B a design leader at this point. Of course, M-B's last revolutionary design was the original CLS which everyone still copies to this day, but that was a whole different time of clean and elegant/simple design and lines from them.

Of course everyone has their views but M-B has just lost much of what made me like them in the first place. Having an F10 now I can see what all those people who complained about the W212 being not worth its weight (asking price) considering what you get from it (or don't get from it), whom I argued points with, were on about, however being that I became such a fan of the pre-facelift W212's exterior styling, it was upsetting to see M-B undo every gimmick they used to originally market the car so hard.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:39 AM
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If there's one regret I have it's that I'm just not up to the task of keeping up this black swirl-free, nor do I think I capable of being careful enough with it to keep it truly swirl free. I just washed it for the first time myself, after spending hundreds on paint corrections, and I swear if I undid the work that those hundreds went toward, I'm just putting this car into "beater mode".... which if one knows me and my OCD extremist ways (I gotta be insanely careful with something or almost reckless with it), they'd think that it actually might be the best thing that can happen to me with this car, because it will allow me to treat it like a true utilitarian tool while exploiting all its virtues (as opposed to constantly stressing about not swirling it, scratching it, driving it too hard, dirtying it, etc.).
I feel your pain K-A when you get your technique down and get it in to a routine system, you’ll know what to do and when to do it. It will be easier then. You’ll also learn to live with things you can’t fix right away. Stay at it man, plenty of people willing to help you on here, and plenty of good info to be found online too. A car this new deserves at least a year before being designated a beater...or at least wait until the first rock chip……… Chin-up…
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:52 AM
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Budget $200 or so for a Porter Cable 7424 and some pads and compound/polish/wax from Autogeek and use it on your black car every 90 days or so. I keep a 10+ old jet black E46 in decent shape that way swirlwise. The rock chips in the front there is no recipe for except touch up paint. I know some of the Porsche nerds get a clear bra installed when the car is brand new.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:14 PM
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I feel your pain K-A when you get your technique down and get it in to a routine system, you’ll know what to do and when to do it. It will be easier then. You’ll also learn to live with things you can’t fix right away. Stay at it man, plenty of people willing to help you on here, and plenty of good info to be found online too. A car this new deserves at least a year before being designated a beater...or at least wait until the first rock chip……… Chin-up…
Thank you and thank you for all your help, sir. Good news is seems like I didn't swirl the car up any if at all during my "first try", so I think if that holds true (saw it in direct sunlight and looks great) then I can start getting into my routine which should hopefully get better and better.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:57 PM
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Couldn't agree more. Just got back from around 10 days of city & highway/country road cruising. had a gr8 mix of windy roads, hills, straight (& windy) expressways, fog, rain, sun - god, it was fun. I'm dying to get back in the car for our next country trip in a week's time. Only had it for 2 weeks & love it to bits.

I intend to stick up a post in a few weeks time with my 1st impressions just to share round.
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Old 02-28-2013, 03:46 AM
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Couldn't agree more. Just got back from around 10 days of city & highway/country road cruising. had a gr8 mix of windy roads, hills, straight (& windy) expressways, fog, rain, sun - god, it was fun. I'm dying to get back in the car for our next country trip in a week's time. Only had it for 2 weeks & love it to bits.

I intend to stick up a post in a few weeks time with my 1st impressions just to share round.
Nice to hear! The car is really something. Just watch those rock chips on those long Highway drives. At least they seem to not show up too well on darker cars (and darker cars show so much debris/dust you could never tell which was a rock chip anyway ).
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Old 03-01-2013, 05:25 PM
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I'd like to add this little bit in there as it has been yet another NEW feature I've recently found out about this car, therefore increasing my love jone'sing to unspeakable levels.

Copied from the "Features" thread:

Ok so I got one that made me feel giddy as a school kid with candy in his lunchbox.

So I've been trying to find ways to keep my car in Sport/Sport + mode WHILE being able to control the RPM's as I would be in that mode every day for the sportier steering, use of 1st gear and snappier throttle response, but I just don't like how it unnecessarily keeps the revs up even when it's not needed. So I tried using the Paddles to control it, but I find that if I don't click the paddles enough, it just reverts back to "D" on its own, negating my "RPM controlling".

So, today I tried putting it in DS mode WHILE having it in Sport +, and noticed that on the I/C display it had a more serious "S", then "M" mode when I engaged the paddles. I quickly learned that THIS WAY the car knows you want to actually drive with paddles, and not only doesn't get in your way nor second guess you, it actually helps you in a good way, i.e will downshift to the right gear if you press down once. So I can get my Sport Steering, Sport Throttle Response, and be able to control my RPM's (would be nice if the Auto mode could do it on its own though, i.e give me all "Sport" benefits but the unnecessary high RPM's).

I LOVE this car! Learning new things every day. BMW really knows how to make a soft and cuddly luxury car still interesting to drive.

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Oh, and good news is, looks like my washing method introduced no swirls.
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