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BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

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Old 02-25-2013, 08:35 PM
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Torn between the 128 and the 135

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I was just informed by my insurance company that my beloved Mazda Speed3 is totaled. The accident was not my fault but it opens the door for a new car. I was looking around and noticed the 1 series on the road. I have owned a 325 back in the day and my GF has a 08 328 so I am no stranger to the make.
Now to my question, I am torn between the 135 and 128. I am thinking of a 2009 or 2010 model. Here is a quick summary I have come up with while reading this forum.
135: Motor issue with this series, decreased gas mileage, turbo issues in the future. Great sounding exhaust, nice torque in the low end (my favorite). Any pros and cons I have missed?
128: Proven motor, increased gas mileage, no turbo issues. Quiet exhaust, need to rev the motor a little more for hp. Any pros and cons I have missed?

So here is another question, is it possible to add some simple mods to the 128 to have it perform like the 135 and is the cost worth the performance. Just for a reference, on the Mazda I had an intake, test pipe (rear cat delete), HP brake pads, performance summer tires and that really woke that car up and is was a little rocket. I know not the same fit and finish BMW but it was fun while it lasted.

Also I will need to install a hitch on the car for a bike rack and to tow my dirt bike with a Kendon trailer. No heavy duty work.

I would like to thank everyone for their feedback in advance.
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I go for 128

128 is about 80% of the 135 at much lower maintenance cost

You can put a chip in and have better responses and performance without a turbo....
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I had a similarly difficult time deciding. I ended up with a 128 precisely because of the cons you mentioned. Also, to add to that list, is slightly higher insurance premiums.
230 horses in such a small car is plenty for everyday driving. You also have the added benefit of better throttle response.
If you are wondering about performance upgrades, keep in mind that variants of this engine used in other BMW models get to put out 260 horses. So, approaching 135 territory is probably not difficult.
As a side note, I haven't been able to find a tow hitch for these cars anywhere. Let me know if you can track down someone who sells them. I too would like to be able to bring my dirt bike places.

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No flaming... the 128i is a stellar car so long as you make sure to spec it with the sport suspension. You won't be happy with the stock suspension coming from a MazdaSpeed 3 (good friend of mine had one... fun little car).

But no; you can't spend a few dollars and get similar performance to a 135i. There's a 70hp delta between the two... that's almost a 30 percent difference that you can't just make up with a chip. If you could, no-one would buy the 135i. But is it worth it? Well, for you coming from a MazdaSpeed I'd say maybe. With a pre-2010 135i you get the N54 engine which is incredibly tunable. If you want to tune and get incredible performance out of it, you'll regret the 128i's engine almost immediately. However, even stock it will blow the doors off an MS3. Even heavily modded like my friend's was, I would thrash him soundly on the track because of the handling and power band.

The down side of the 135i is the occasional turbo lag problems, and as you said the higher insurance, cost and maintenance. The N54-based 135i has the HPFP problem but the HPFP is also warrantied through 120K miles as I recall... so chances are you'd have years before you'd start worrying about that... and might never actually have a problem.

The N55 135i; well I don't worry about turbo problems because having seen it up close and personal I can honestly say the turbo is WAY overbuilt for the engine or the power it produces. There's so much engineering wiggle-room in these engines that I really wouldn't concern myself with it. The only bad thing I have found is that the car is REALLY sensitive to octane levels... not just not enough but also too much. If you go to a slightly shady gas station that hasn't had its gas spot-checked in a while your octane levels might be off... or sometimes they just completely screwed it up. I had a rough-running and hard starting problem for a while recently... had been going to a gas station I don't usually go to because I was working in a different area. Anyway, on a whim I took a gasoline sample out of my tank and had a friend test it (yes, he has the equipment to do so because he does engine development for a living)... found that the octane levels were higher than the pump had said. I ran the tank almost empty, filled up at a different station... and magically all the problems vanished and the car hasn't been this smooth in months.

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Thanks for the info. Ms3 was a good car for the money but not even close to the bmw in fit and quality. For me it was an expendable car. You drive it like you stole it all the time. The Mazda was also had the octane issue. It will be nice to have a rear wheel drive car again.

So the n54 is more tunable and in the 2009 was the last year for that motor, and the n55 is in the year 2010 going forward.
Does the n55 have the HPFP issue?

If I go with the 135 I have a feeling I will do more with the suspension, brakes, and tires. Sounds like the hp will be enough for most people.

Transmission. Should I go with auto or manual? The speed had a 6 speed manual.

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I would go with the 135i but I am a torque whore. You will never get the 128 to behave like the 135. No flaming intended.
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I think I am going to look for a 2010 135i. I want to keep this car for some time and well beyond 120K miles. I agree with you about the torque.
Now I just need to decide on the transmission.
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Thanks for the info. Ms3 was a good car for the money but not even close to the bmw in fit and quality. For me it was an expendable car. You drive it like you stole it all the time. The Mazda was also had the octane issue. It will be nice to have a rear wheel drive car again.

So the n54 is more tunable and in the 2009 was the last year for that motor, and the n55 is in the year 2010 going forward.
Does the n55 have the HPFP issue?

If I go with the 135 I have a feeling I will do more with the suspension, brakes, and tires. Sounds like the hp will be enough for most people.

Transmission. Should I go with auto or manual? The speed had a 6 speed manual.
Yes, the 135i changed engines in the 2010 model year (I believe, I'd have to go check... it may have been 2011). The n54 is more tunable, but the N55 doesn't have the HPFP problem... at least from the reports so far. Either engine is blindingly good in my opinion

With a 128i I'd go manual all the way. With the 135i N54... manual for definite. With the N55 BMW introduced the DCT which is an automatic unlike anything you've ever driven before... I am still constantly amazed by it. That's not to say it's perfect, but it's absolutely the best automatic I have ever driven. With the 128i and N54 it's a standard torque-converter auto... and I have a disdain for all but the most modern autos (the 8 speed in the newest BMW's is bloody good). The DCT is basically mechanically more akin to a manual than an auto, and tends to drive more like one.

And yes, suspension is definitely one place you can do a lot. Decent tires and some M3 suspension components can really turn the 135i into a beast on the track and the street.

Oh I should also add that you wouldn't be unhappy with the 128i. That NA inline six is one of the best that BMW ever made in my opinion... I understand their reasons for moving on to forced induction but doesn't mean I can't mourn the loss
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I think I am going to look for a 2010 135i. I want to keep this car for some time and well beyond 120K miles. I agree with you about the torque.
Now I just need to decide on the transmission.
I have driven both the dct is crazy good but in the end I ordered the manual because you can't duplicate that feel of pushing the clutch in a jamming it into third gear
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Please don't flame me too bad for this post.
I was just informed by my insurance company that my beloved Mazda Speed3 is totaled. The accident was not my fault but it opens the door for a new car. I was looking around and noticed the 1 series on the road. I have owned a 325 back in the day and my GF has a 08 328 so I am no stranger to the make.
Now to my question, I am torn between the 135 and 128. I am thinking of a 2009 or 2010 model. Here is a quick summary I have come up with while reading this forum.
135: Motor issue with this series, decreased gas mileage, turbo issues in the future. Great sounding exhaust, nice torque in the low end (my favorite). Any pros and cons I have missed?
128: Proven motor, increased gas mileage, no turbo issues. Quiet exhaust, need to rev the motor a little more for hp. Any pros and cons I have missed?

So here is another question, is it possible to add some simple mods to the 128 to have it perform like the 135 and is the cost worth the performance. Just for a reference, on the Mazda I had an intake, test pipe (rear cat delete), HP brake pads, performance summer tires and that really woke that car up and is was a little rocket. I know not the same fit and finish BMW but it was fun while it lasted.

Also I will need to install a hitch on the car for a bike rack and to tow my dirt bike with a Kendon trailer. No heavy duty work.

I would like to thank everyone for their feedback in advance.
Why would anyone flame you for this? It's a very good question.
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Check out etrailer they have hitches for the 128 and 135

Also google for photos and you can get some additional details.
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If you drive a 128 and then a 135 you'll be able to easily decide: I did and bought a 135.
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Just waiting for my insurance check. Then I am on the lookout for a 2009 or 2010 135 coupe with a manual trans.

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Just waiting for my insurance check. Then I am on the lookout for a 2009 or 2010 135 coupe with a manual trans.
BMW is running .9% financing on certified preowned vehicles through tomorrow. Saved me thousands. I just picked up a Certified preowned 2010 135i convertible 25k miles with cold weather package, premium and sport package and cold weather package for $4200 below KBB value and they threw on a new set of tires from United BMW They seemed pretty motivated to move cars(without being pushy) I saw you are also from ATL, check them out. My sales rep was Craig Holland at the Gwinette location. I was pressed for time because i was coming from Acworth. He had the car waiting in the front, handed me the keys while he grabbed my keys and had my GTI appraised really quickly. The sale went perfectly.

My wife just bought a CPO 09 Audi A4 convertible from Jim Ellis and I saw a 128 on the lot. I never really noticed the 1 series on the road before. You need to drive both the 128 and the 135 to see what you will be happy with. The 135 is a beast. I am still getting used to so much power coming from the rear wheels... I love it!

Insurancewise you need to shop around. I am lucky because im 45 and married but their are hugh differences between companies. My wife had Progressive and they wanted almost $1300 for both cars every 6 months. Geico wanted $720 for 6 months for both cars for excellent 250/500k coverage.

BTW, if you are shopping for a CPO check out BMWUSA's site. They have all the CPOed cars listed in the whole country.
If you dont want a CPO but want a extended warranty check out the forums of the other site. A member worked out a group buy for extended warranties.

Hope that helps

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Thanks for the info. I purchased my first BMW from that dealer way back in the day. I will check out the web site that is a great idea.
As for the insurance that's kind of funny.
I had an 08 Mazda Speed3 it was 8.00 more than an 128 and 33.00 cheaper than the 135. That is for 6 month period.
The Mazda is worth around 8K less. go figure..
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Check out etrailer they have hitches for the 128 and 135

Also google for photos and you can get some additional details.
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I have a 2011 135i convertible with the Msport package and 6 speed manual transmission. I also added the power pack when it was first offered for $600.00 installed.

It is an absolute blast to drive. The only downside so far is that the rear tires only lasted 10,000 miles.

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So the n54 is more tunable and in the 2009 was the last year for that motor, and the n55 is in the year 2010 going forward.
Does the n55 have the HPFP issue?
2010 was the last year for the n54 on the 135. The 2011 Z4 had the n54 engine.

On the HPFP issue the 10 year 120,000 mile warranty should take care of that. But if you Tune the engine I don't think that warranty letter will apply.

You can buy an extended Dinan warranty though.

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If I go with the 135 I have a feeling I will do more with the suspension, brakes, and tires. Sounds like the hp will be enough for most people..
My son had the Dinan Stage 2 installed on his 135i convertable by BMW of Portland Oregon.

He likes the increased (300 to 378) hp, but the big difference is the increased (300 to 415) lb-ft of torque.

http://www.dinancars.com/shop/index....eries=1-Series

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Transmission. Should I go with auto or manual? The speed had a 6 speed manual.
Dinan has a limited slip differential upgrade for the manual transmission.

http://www.dinancars.com/shop/D773-0...ly.aspx#page=2

Ps. the BMW 1M also has the n54 engine.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/01/21/bm...-need-to-know/

2nd. Ps. If you decide on the 135i and plan to tune it? The oil cooler on a 135i with the sports package will be fine for a Dinan stage 2 tune. Without the sports package you need a dinan oil cooler installed.

The Stage 1 tune does not require an oil cooler.

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