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Old 07-28-2014, 07:10 PM
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2014 BMW 535D TDI questions

I am considering this car as one of my top 3 choices. The reason I am interested in this is because of the gas mileage. What scares me about this might be the maintence that needs to be done with this. Also the HP is low on it but I won't do a lot of freeway driving that I have to really speed on. I test drove a 535I and I liked the way it drove along with the way the steering wheel felt in my hand. My questions are what kind of MPG do you actually get with this car? and what is the downside of having the disel engine. Do you have to take it apart every 100,000 miles? I plan on keeping this for 10 years or more. Also what about the repairs on it? do the electronics go out on these a lot? The things I look for in order is #1 Reliability, #2 Fun to drive Factor #3 Comfort. The top 3 cars on my list so far in this order is #1 14 Lexus GS350 (had the 2nd and 3rd gen, #2 BMW 535i or D, #3 Audi a6 3.0 OR tdi. If I do get the TDI I will not buy new as it is expensive I will get it used. Any replies I would appreciate. I am in the south so the cold isn't a factor in the Disel.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:26 PM
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I love my D. Wouldn't change my choice at all. I feel it is plenty fast and the high torque is very usable in the city. I also cross shopped the A6 TDI, but the interior, especially the seats, was underwhelming. I'm getting just north of 30mpg, my fuelly is below, in mixed driving. If you keep it under 75mph it does well, but the gains drop off above 75 in my experience. I also only have 10k miles on it, so it may still improve plus I am at altitude which will cost a little.

I lease, so not a lot of info on long term maintenance. We just got rid of an X5d, same engine, and had no issues at all after 56k miles. Hope this helps.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:44 PM
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My fuelly is below. If fuel mileage is important to you, you won't be disappointed. I find the torque to be awesome, even when accelerating beyond 75 mph. It's amazing to have the amount of power available and still get north of 30 mpg combined. We got 42.9 on a recent trip across the state.


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Old 07-28-2014, 08:55 PM
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I plan on putting 300K miles on this thing or more
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Hi Krava,

300K Miles / almost 500K KM's is pushing it ;-)

In Europe here ALL the Taxi's are Diesel's and I've seen many with half a million KM's...

75% of Passenger Cars in Europe are Diesel's.

For everyday driving a Diesel is the best - if on the Race Track then, yes a Gas Powered Car is a little more fun. I am a Torque Lover since my first Norton Commando 850 - early 70's - Rock Store Mulholland Drive !

Diesel actually costs less to produce than Gasoline but it is taxed higher in USA - in Germany Diesel is 25 cents less a Liter = ~$1 a gallon less and at ~$8+ per gallon you notice it when filling your tank over here !

Since Diesel has more BTU Heating Value than Gasoline you get about 25% better mileage than a similar Gasoline powered Car due simple physics. In USA subtract about 8% due the higher taxed Diesel fuel - still a plus - then against the higher cost of the Diesel vs. Gas Car itself. With your planned high mileage it is a no brainer.

As far as Maint - no spark plugs ! Those last forever now so really the difference is the Diesel Filter, Ad-Blu, and extra Oil the Diesel holds compared to the 535i. Peanuts.

Trick with the Diesel is to keep the RPM's down - use the Torque - not the HP to move fwd - hard to do with this motor as it revs out so nicely... During break in I got over 40 MPG, now "only" 35 - and that with stints well over 100 MPH on the Autobahn... Mine's an X Drive so the Rear Wheel drives do a tick better still due 125 lbs. less weight.


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Surprised you asked about maintenance. Of the cars on your short list, BMW is the ONLY one that comes with free maintenance for the first 4 years / 48,000 miles. You can extend the maintenance plan and the warranty to 100,000 miles, but don't need to make that call / incur that expense till you are close to the end of the original warranty period.

I have never heard of anyone who did an engine rebuild at 100,000 miles. I guess you could if you really wanted to.

I have never heard of anyone who bought a car in this segment with the goal of keeping it for 10 years. Maybe in the 1980's, but not today. The Lexus, BMW and Audi you list are all tech-heavy cars, and it's a safe bet that the tech you found intriguing and cutting edge in 2014 is going to feel painfully antiquated in 2024.

Stuff on ANY car is going to break / wear out. The more tech, the more opportunity for problems. Not sure what one would buy if they wanted to drive 300,000 with the minimum in potential problems, but it likely wouldn't have direct injection, a urea system, navigation, Bluetooth, ConnectedDrive, cameras, power seats, power windows, air conditioning, power seats, a radio, or any creature comforts. If that was your over-riding concern, you might be better off buying a Golf TDI, then trading it in for another Golf TDI when it hit 150,000 miles. But what type of life is that?
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Stuff on ANY car is going to break / wear out. The more tech, the more opportunity for problems. Not sure what one would buy if they wanted to drive 300,000 with the minimum in potential problems, but it likely wouldn't have direct injection, a urea system, navigation, Bluetooth, ConnectedDrive, cameras, power seats, power windows, air conditioning, power seats, a radio, or any creature comforts. If that was your over-riding concern, you might be better off buying a Golf TDI, then trading it in for another Golf TDI when it hit 150,000 miles. But what type of life is that?
Pretty much this. My choice today would be a Toyota Corolla, but even those have direct injection now I think.
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As others have said, if bulletproof reliability is your #1 priority then get the Lexus appliance.
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Love my 535d and as others have said, never heard of an engine rebuild on a BMW at 100,000 miles. Perhaps if you don't care for it. There are people with the 330d's in the US that have complained about carbon build-up. With a diesel, it's important to use the engine and generally speaking diesels like to operate under load and at temp. In other words, these engines like to be driven. Carbon build-up on most diesels is a result of under loading the engine or not running the engine enough to get it to temperature (short drives).

As for mileage, I'm getting combined 29mpg with hard driving and 36-38mpg on the highway over 3,000' mountain passes from a 300' base elevation. The highway is where you'll see your MPG shine.

As for reliability, I've not been impressed with Lexus/Toyota. Sure the engine will keep going but lots of little annoying issues that never get fixed. I'm sure my experience is an edge case but I don't think I'll buy another. I've had much better luck with BMW's as long as I stay away from the first and second model year of a new design.
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You really do not need to worry about diesel engines. As a post above states, diesel engines are and have been in use for many years in UK/Europe.

From a UK experience:
I have had 2 cars (both BMW diesels) that I sold after driving in excess of 200,000 miles and both cars never had a single engine issue, or a single catalytic convertor issue or a single turbo issue. The days of faulty turbos are happily long over.

I have 2 other colleagues in my work place who have a Volvo and a Golf, and these cars have both done circa 200,000 miles (that is 320,000 kms). These cars have had their issues, but nothing on the engines. And these cars are both old (15 year+, really old design diesel engines)

You can buy a diesel car with confidence knowing that millions of people in UK/Europe drive these vehicles every day without issues.

The only sticking point that comes to mind is the quality of diesel fuel available in US (as compared to UK/ Europe). ON that note, you need to be aware that the quality of diesel sold in South East Asia is very poor; and that part of the world has a huge population of diesel engines; again without massive longevity or quality issues.

You should be able to buy with confidence; rebuilding an engine at 100,000 should not be a worry.
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I test drove the 535D today, the car was new with 141 miles, the Nav screen showed normally but when he tried to adjust things on it the screen dimmed so bad you couldn't see it. I guess it needs to warm up? I asked questions about it. One big difference is at 10K miles is that you are paying $300 for the oil change etc instead of just $150 with the 535i. I might be completely wrong but my sales guy told me that each tire on that car cost $800?? so it is $2400 for a new set of tires? If this is anywhere close to true, then any other car with regular tires would be alot cheaper. I am looking at the 535D to save money in the long run. Who knows gas could hit $6 a gallon in 3 years or so here since it is already 8 there in europe. So gas might be an issue in the furture. There are several good things with the BMW over lexus when it comes to pre owned. I saw they give a 6 year 100K warranty where lexus only gives you 3 from the date you buy. so if you get a BWM 1-2 years old you get alot of warranty on it.
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Dude, if you think the price of diesel DOESN'T go up when the price of gas does, you are smoking medicinal marijuana. Not sure how things are in Los Angeles, but in New England the price of diesel spikes in the winter when the refineries are churning out home heating oil. In January or February, diesl can cost 15 to 20 cents per gallon more that Premium Unleaded. There are many reasons to buy a BMW diesel, but dramatic savings on fuel costs are not on that list.

Run flat tires are expensive for any car, but only complete idiots buy their replacements at the dealership. You can replace a RFT for $250 to $350 per tire, not $800. (BTW 4 tires at $800 each would set you back $3,200, not $2,400).

The 535D is a new model, and it is highly unlikely you will find any used ones on the market. You are not going to find a "BMW 1-2 years old" as a CPO, unless you are looking at an X5 instead of a 5 series.

If you are really THAT concerned about maintenance costs, buy yourself a new one instead of a used one, and get the 4 years of FREE maintenance.

You need to do a lot more research, but my take is that if you are really that concerned about the cost of oil changes and tires, you should be looking at a $40,000 Volkswagen instead of a $60,000 BMW. The path you are headed down will end in frustration, and likely more expenses than you are prepared to absorb.
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Are you talking about the Eagle LS2 tires on the car? If so they are not 800 a pop.
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I find the torque to be awesome, even when accelerating beyond 75 mph.
I just realized my statement was misleading. I meant that the fuel economy dropped off above 75mph. I just did a trip from CO to Kansas City and on the way there did about 83mph the whole way and the gas mileage was around 32mpg. On the return I kept it around 77-78 and got about 39mpg. Only have 1 data point on this however.
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I just realized my statement was misleading. I meant that the fuel economy dropped off above 75mph. I just did a trip from CO to Kansas City and on the way there did about 83mph the whole way and the gas mileage was around 32mpg. On the return I kept it around 77-78 and got about 39mpg. Only have 1 data point on this however.
Yeah I knew what you meant. I have heard some speculate that the real world experience with the D would be lacking above certain RPMs/speeds. I was just saying that my experience is there is plenty of power available at 75 mph and up (passing, etc.)
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I just realized my statement was misleading. I meant that the fuel economy dropped off above 75mph. I just did a trip from CO to Kansas City and on the way there did about 83mph the whole way and the gas mileage was around 32mpg. On the return I kept it around 77-78 and got about 39mpg. Only have 1 data point on this however.
That is absolutely normal and governed by the laws of physics. You will get the best fuel economy driving in the highest gear (8) as slow as possible. The higher the speed the more air resistance (drag).
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I am looking at the 535D to save money in the long run.
This is probably not a great reason to buy a 5-Series BMW. As others have noted, these are complex cars with lots of gadgets and creature comforts that are susceptible to going kaput and costing you money in the long term. And tires, while not $800/ea as your salesguy said, are still going to cost you more than on something else.

The 535d costs $1,500 more than a 535i. Lately they've been throwing in a $500 ECO-credit on the diesel so call it a $1K price increase for the oil burner. If you drive 12K/year that'll only take you about 1 year to make up the cost difference in fuel savings (at least at current SoCal prices) but keep in mind, diesel fuel fluctuates wildly compared to gasoline. Right now is one of those weird times diesel actually costs less but this isn't always historically true. You can't always count on $$ savings due to this. The diesel may not have spark plugs but it does have a complex exhaust treatment system that, statistically, could cost you big money in repairs in the future. Not sure about your long term crystal ball but mine's kinda foggy.

All this being said, I've driven the 535i and the 535d and I'd go for the diesel all day long. The amazing torque and silent operation really fit the character of the car, plus you'll get amazing fuel range. LA to Vegas and back on a single tank!
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I have a 2014 535d x drive, and love it. I'm averaging 35-36 mpg in my normal driving cycle, vs. 22-24 on my 2011 535i, which I turned in for this. In Europe, cruising at 110-120 mph, still got 35 on the highway, averaged 36 for a week of driving there. One trip so far, to PA from NY, 45 mpg...cruising between 65 and 75, in and out of heavy traffic. No issues at this time, so I'd go ahead -- I'm glad I did...
Oh and did I mention it's fast?

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Lots of positive feedback on the BMW diesel engines... 535d and X5d ... efficient and high torque for city driving..

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I have a 2014 535d x drive, and love it. I'm averaging 35-36 mpg in my normal driving cycle, vs. 22-24 on my 2011 535i, which I turned in for this. In Europe, cruising at 110-120 mph, still got 35 on the highway, averaged 36 for a week of driving there. One trip so far, to PA from NY, 45 mpg...cruising between 65 and 75, in and out of heavy traffic. No issues at this time, so I'd go ahead -- I'm glad I did...
Oh and did I mention it's fast?

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