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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 02-27-2013, 06:54 PM
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what about the X1?

I'm curious about what you 3 series fans think about the X1. I can't help but notice that I can build a 35i X1 for substantially less than a 335i. Why are they so cheap? Just because they're new, and BMW is trying to popularize them? Usually SUV type vehicles cost noticeably more than equal level sedans.

How's the driving experience? I read somewhere that it's actually similar to an E90 in its firmness. I am already 100% set on a new 335i, but I'm just wondering...if I was crazy enough to change my mind and get a 35i X1, what would I be losing? Obviously I understand that it's a bit bigger and heavier, but it has the same great engine. Considering how much more expensive the X3 is than the 3 series, why is the X1 so much less?
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:13 PM
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It's cheap because its based on a chassis design and features of an 8 year old car, the E91.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:29 PM
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I test drove one. Nice car. Handles almost as good as the 328. I went with the 328 mainly for the manual transmission. Also I wish the x1 looked more like a normal hatchback. It's kind of ugly, and it annoys me that it's trying to look like an SUV, and I have no need for the extra ground clearance. 328 was cheaper to lease last I checked, which is a hint that the x1 won't hold its value as well.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:39 PM
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:39 PM
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The 35i x1 or whatever it is called is a lot less to start but once you add options where does it end up?

I believe it shares an engine with the 335i but I imagine it's less sporty. Still, if you can get it for considerably less than a 335i and you're ok with potentially less dynamic driving, it could be a good purchase for you.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:00 PM
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X1 is really fun car to drive and you can buy it with hydraulic steering! Feeling the road from the steering column is awesome.

The interior feels a bit cheap. 3 Series is luxury/sport . X1 is pure sport.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:02 PM
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Correct : cheap because they are based on E9x platform.... BMW try to extend the life of the platform by launching X1 right in the middle of E9x life cycle so they can exhaust their parts bins... also if you check carefully X1 use parts from E87/E88/E82 again they cleverly extend the life of E8x models as well
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It's a pretty unattractive car IMO - especially the back. It can't decide if it wants to be a crossover, SUV or station wagon.
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It's cheap because its based on a chassis design and features of an 8 year old car, the E91.
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Correct : cheap because they are based on E9x platform.... BMW try to extend the life of the platform by launching X1 right in the middle of E9x life cycle so they can exhaust their parts bins... also if you check carefully X1 use parts from E87/E88/E82 again they cleverly extend the life of E8x models as well
True, the X1 is based on the E91 platform and is a combination of E9x 3 Series and E82 1 Series parts, but they built it primarily because they saw the current popularity of smaller, less expensive SUVs. And they were right. It turned out to be so popular in Europe they delayed launching it in the U.S., because European demand was so high. They decided to wait to bring it here until they did the Life Cycle Impulse/facelift.

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X1 is really fun car to drive and you can buy it with hydraulic steering! Feeling the road from the steering column is awesome.

The interior feels a bit cheap. 3 Series is luxury/sport . X1 is pure sport.
This. Do some reading in the X1 forum. Owners are very pleased with the car.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:41 PM
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I've never driven one but having sat in it I felt the interior felt really cheap. And the non NAv ones don't even have Idrive and look really dated.

Good value though since the power train is modern but I'd get an f30 even 320i before getting it personally
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:50 PM
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I've posted this before but here goes. I bought a 328i M sport manual about 2 months ago. My girlfriend decided to test drive an X1. It blew away everything else that she looked at so badly that I couldn't get her to even look at anything else. She had driven a 370Z auto, VW Jetta gas and diesel, Fiat 500, VW GTI. She bought an X1 Xline with power seats, satellite radio, and wood trim. It is an awesome car. I'm 40 and everything about it is familiar. It's like a nicer, faster version of every car I've had in the past. My 328i is like a space ship in comparison. So quiet, so many options, idrive, complex stereo, sport seats, lower to the ground. When I get in my 328, I feel like I'm getting into a jet cockpit. I love my 3 but it feels like more of an experience and commitment to drive. The X1, we just jump in and go. Great, simple transportation. The 8 speed auto they use in the X1 and 3 series is so good, it makes me almost regret not getting an automatic for the first time ever. When you put the X1 in sport mode and floor it, everyone starts cracking up because they are shocked at how fast it is! One other thing to know, I feel like the suspension in the X1 is just as firm as my M sport. Thes seats are also VERY firm. The X1 is a great option for a lot of people. At $31k, it's a hell of a car considering almost any decent suv/wagon is $30k, I'd rather have a BMW.

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Old 02-27-2013, 09:02 PM
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Hydraulic steering, they consider it cheaper to put in a entry level model, but it is what all BMW owners missed. So if you like the old steering feel of the 3 series, owning an X1 should make you smile.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:08 PM
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Just another note. The Xline package and $250 aluminum roof rails really makes the X1 look like a real BMW. Nice aluminum trim and bigger, nicer wheels. Thise two options do add $2k to the price by the way. The interior is very nice except the door handles on the inside. They are a bit sharp when you go to close or open the doors. The passenger side, plug in cup holder is a classic example over German over engineering! It is like a piece of sculpture. The spring loaded, aluminum receptor for it is insane! I like to play with it when I'm in the passenger seat. It even has a designated storage spot for the cup holder in the console when not in use. In my opinion, only the radio seems dated. It is really like going back in time to a late 1990's car. It sounds just fine but the tiny display compared to the idrive screen is a bit sad. If the 320i had been out, I probably would have pushed my girlfriend into that. The 3 really is better in every way except outward visibilty and if you want a hatch. She does really like the Euro/wagon look of the X1. It's funny, the X1 looks tiny from the outside but is big on the inside. Excellent packaging.


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I've never driven one but having sat in it I felt the interior felt really cheap. And the non NAv ones don't even have Idrive and look really dated.

Good value though since the power train is modern but I'd get an f30 even 320i before getting it personally
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:11 PM
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I test drove an X1 with hydraulic steering and loved it. I actually had more fun in it than with a 328i sedan, although perhaps my expectations were lower. But in the end I decided against buying a design BMW is preparing to abandon, and turned my attention to the F31 instead.

I do find the X1 kind of goofy looking on the outside, but I didn't consider the interior to be cheap. It seemed more honest to me than the F30's faux luxury, but then I'm a guy who wishes I could buy the touring with cloth/Alcantara seats.
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:08 AM
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The X1 is extremely popular in Europe. it is not as elegant as the 3er, however it is at a great price point, utilitarian and fun to drive.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:31 AM
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No manual, no care.

If the f31 had a manual, I would have it over the f30.
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Without manual & all-wheel drive, it's not in my consideration set. For that matter, the new 3 series is out too. Guess I need to hold onto my 2006 X3 3.0i manual/m-sport indefinitely.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:54 PM
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Thanks for the input guys!

My wife's car is an X3, so I want a regular sedan for my car, to have two different driving experiences. But for a lot of people, it sounds like the X1 could be a perfect alternative to a 3 series.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:38 PM
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Without manual & all-wheel drive, it's not in my consideration set. For that matter, the new 3 series is out too. Guess I need to hold onto my 2006 X3 3.0i manual/m-sport indefinitely.
The 335xi is available with a manual.
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Had the X1 or 320i been available when I was ordering, I would have been really conflicted. Luxury car or not, I'm hard pressed to ignore a good value prop.
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I rented the X1 2.0 diesel in Germany last year and drove it from Frankfurt to Munich (for euro delivery the next morning). I must say I was very impressed with how it drove. When the lease on my wife's e90 is up in October I will seriously consider an X1 for her. The e9x and e8x chassis may be on the way out, but it was an excellent chassis with nothing to apologize about.

Having said that, when I go from my wife's e90 to my f30 I perceive a significant jump in driving experience. To me (YMMV), I prefer how the f30 drives. So faced with a choice I would opt for the f30. But again, my preference aside, it would be seriously difficult to criticize somebody for selecting the X1 instead. It is a great car!
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Hydraulic steering, they consider it cheaper to put in a entry level model, but it is what all BMW owners missed. So if you like the old steering feel of the 3 series, owning an X1 should make you smile.
It's only in the xDrive versions of the X1 as there is not enough room for the electric rack. The RWD X1 28 has EPS. It's the lightest and best handling version except for the EPS.

It's too bad BMW does not offer a MT in this car. An X1 sDrive28i is a sweet car at a great price. Carefully optioned (MSport, leather and tech package) it's way cheaper than a comparable 328i but is not as well equipped (no power seats for one) and has the older chassis.
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The 335xi is available with a manual.
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I hope to have the best of both worlds. Last fall an ED of a 335i Xdrive, which I consider a near perfect car. I also own a Nissan rogue SUV in need of replacement. I test drove an X1 xdrive 28, when it first arrived in the US and loved it because it was similar in feel to my previous 2010 335i xdrive. Now looking forward to ED of X1 in May.
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