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Old 03-02-2013, 07:21 PM
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What does this warning indicator mean?

Can't find it in the owner's manual on the warning indicator page.



It's an '08 328i coupe and came on today. All exterior lights work fine with and without brake pedal depressed.

Brake light is on in dash cluster when the e-brake lever is down/off.



I have replaced all pads and rotors in the last 5-7k miles and car runs fine, no noises, no excessive heat coming off brakes, no bad fuel economy. What's going on here?
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:51 PM
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Have you consulted your computer in the instrument cluster? It'll give you dates and mileage for different service items and that may help to determine what you're due for.
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owners manual posts are about as useful as not posting or me guessing

So heres my guess.
www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356322

Yellow version of picture:

09 AHM 75
"Trailer electrics Trailer electrics failed. failed! Trailer lights affected.
Have the problem checked by the nearest BMW Service. "


Red versions1:
17 CAS 22
"Starter motor! Do not stop
engine
Starter defective! Engine cannot be restarted. Have the problem checked by the nearest BMW Service."

Red version2:
16 CAS 21
The engine may only be started with the brake pedal depressed. Contact the nearest BMW Service.

Other versions:


Brake light
control failed! Brake light failed. Have
the problem checked by the nearest BMW Service.

Oil level sensor malfunction! Have the problem checked by BMW Service as soon as possible.

High rate of battery discharge with engine stationary. It may not be possible to restart engine. Switch off unnecessary electric loads. Have the problem checked by BMW Service.

Automatic monitoring of monitoring battery charge status
failed! failed.
Have the problem
checked by BMW Service.

Fuel pump.
Fuel pump fault.
Engine may stall. Possible reduction in engine powerDrive moderately! Have the problem checked by the nearest BMW Service.

Fuel pump malfunction. Possible to continue journey.
Have the problem checked by\nthe nearest BMW Service

Light system.
Indicator lights and possibly direction indicators, fog light, high beam headlight and headlight flasher inoperative. Stop vehicle, check and continue journey cautiously. Have the problem checked by the nearest BMW Service.

Central electronics failure. It is not possible to continue your journey. Contact the nearest BMW Service.

Speedometer display malfunction.
Have the problem checked by the nearest BMW Service.

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I had that recently. Turned out to be a bad brake wear sensor.
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Old 03-02-2013, 09:27 PM
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Wow. That PDF definitely had a lot of ridiculous possibilities unrelated to brakes. I just changed the oil a week ago, so I guess I need to reset the service indicator lamps anyway. If I can clear all this, I'll see what pops back up. Brake sensor wires are dirt cheap, so I guess I'll try that first. Car is still under warranty (aftermarket), so I need to try the cheap stuff before paying the $50 deductible.
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You need to look at what lights are on at the same time, as it uses the "car on lift" symbol for multiple items, including a notice that it's time for a 30,000 mile inspection.

As "BRAKE" is also lit, you've tripped the brake wear sensor.

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Can't find it in the owner's manual on the warning indicator page.

What's going on here?

You may view all possibilites HERE

Your car is asking you to investigate, the first step of which is to read codes.

Then, verify with an inspection and where indicated, test equipment. Proceed accordingly.

Any good BMW mech will have everything required to solve the problem! If going to an indy, ask a few questions to qualify....
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:24 AM
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Thanks guys. Pads are fine. I've changed the rears recently and the fronts are still good. In fact, they're a lot thicker than the rears were when I changed them and the rears never tripped a warning light. I have an OBDII scanner, but I thought it only worked with check engine lights. Will it show me what this code is all about?
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Thanks guys. Pads are fine. I've changed the rears recently and the fronts are still good. In fact, they're a lot thicker than the rears were when I changed them and the rears never tripped a warning light. I have an OBDII scanner, but I thought it only worked with check engine lights. Will it show me what this code is all about?

Generic OBDII scanners not particularly useful - Autozone will run that sort of scan for free.

You need a scanner capable of reading BMW proprietary codes, shadow codes, etc. Click link in my post above.
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I copied this from another post, see if it works (w/o replacing the sensor, when sensor is not worn through):
With the ignition off, step on and hold the brake pedal. Now, while holding the brake pedal down, turn on the ignition switch to position 2 (just before cranking). Hold the brake pedal until the BRAKE light is off. Tada, the warning is gone and reset

If you reset the brake CBS without changing the sensor you will get a "car on a lift" warning and a "brakes at ---- km/mi" when you start the car.
The pad wear sensor has two wires in it to break at different times. The first wire is in front of the second wire (as they are facing the pad). When the first wire breaks after contacting the brake rotor the computer senses the change in resistance of the circuit. The computer logs this event and uses the mileage recorded along with other variables to estimate when the pads will need replacement. This information is then displayed on the CBS notification. Once the second wire is broken after contact with the rotor, the dash light for pad replacement comes on and stays on. If you replace the sensor with a new sensor before the second wire is broken in the old sensor, you can screw up the CBS computer's expected second wire breakage event. My advice is to use the old sensor until it breaks the second wire (in dicating the new pads you've just put in are worn out).
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I forgot to update this thread. I changed the front pads and front and rear sensor wires. I cleared the codes, reset intervals and all was well. Last week the same warning icon came on, except this time it's yellow instead of red. All pads, rotors and sensor wires are nearly new. Car runs and brakes fine, no excessive heat coming from any wheel. What is it now?
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I forgot to update this thread. I changed the front pads and front and rear sensor wires. I cleared the codes, reset intervals and all was well. Last week the same warning icon came on, except this time it's yellow instead of red. All pads, rotors and sensor wires are nearly new. Car runs and brakes fine, no excessive heat coming from any wheel. What is it now?

Red with "BRAKE" as well means you've run through the sensor and the pads need to be changed. You've already done this one. You cleared the light by connecting the new sensor properly.

Yellow at startup followed by a picture of one end of the car with a mileage number means that it's anticipating your needing to change the brakes soon, based on the mileage when it was last told the brakes were new. Are you certain you reset the "Miles Until Brakes Needed" indicator? (If this is the situation you have, my guess would be "no", but I've been wrong before. I think.)

If you have a yellow symbol, did do the reset, and it's on at startup only with a mileage display / date, it's telling you it's coming up on a 30,000 mile inspection.

If you have a yellow symbol while driving with no other lights showing, it's whining about the brake lights or the fuel system.



You know, there's more computing power in the ECU than there was on the space shuttle. You'd think it could just scroll a message saying "Look at the ......" instead of drawing multiple little pictures that mean different things at different times.
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Hmmm. I am pretty sure I reset everything. Will have a look tonight when wife gets home. Also forgot to see if the brake lights are all working.
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i also had that same exact light. the dealer replaced the brakes and rotors when i bought the car but never changed the sensors.
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Brake pads, rotors and sensors

About $700 job

Can be cheaper if you buy pads and sensors online then DIY
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i have that lift on and the brake light on too and its on another post.. more people chimed in on this thread for some reason....
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Ok, I think Mrs. Lee will be going to the stealer about this, since it's under warranty and the only possibilities on that PDF it can be are things I don't want to bother with and are covered under warranty, such as oil level sensor or battery monitoring.
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The warranty co. can spend the money. I've replaced all pads, discs and sensor wires. Whatever else it can be is not a wear item, so they can replace it.
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