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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

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Old 03-08-2013, 06:03 PM
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128 5-Door Hatch: Any Chance?

The title says it all. I would order one tomorrow. Classic I6 engine, 6M trans, and the utility of rear doors, a hatch, and easily folded rear seats. For me, just right.

I let my 128 coupe go for those reasons, but I still really miss driving it. I've tested the next best thing IMO -- X1 -- and was smitten by the car itself, but really underwhelmed by the turbo 4 and even more so the 8-speed auto.

Anybody have any knowledge or crystal ball abilities?

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Old 03-08-2013, 10:07 PM
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F20 128i = 2 Litre Turbo

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Both avail in Australia

E87 130i is a rel gem

the one to have is M135i

It's 90% of an M car at 60% of the price

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Old 03-09-2013, 05:15 AM
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There's been a lot of speculation but I haven't come across any definitive info.
I would prefer to have a 5-door but settled on the coupe. I think BMW NA screwed up big time by deciding not to import the E87. It would have been a direct competitor to the Audi A3.
On a side note, I seriously considered an A3 but you can't get a 6-cyl with a manual. Plus, I think the 1er handles better.

Listen up BMW NA product managers! Get your act together!
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:06 AM
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The title says it all. I would order one tomorrow. Classic I6 engine, 6M trans, and the utility of rear doors, a hatch, and easily folded rear seats. For me, just right.

Anybody have any knowledge or crystal ball abilities?
Well, knowledge's tough to find, but my crystal ball says, "I doubt it here in the US."

BMW has thus far been reticent to bring the 3 or 5 door hatch to the US (I'd've ordered that 5-door hatch my own self, but I don't exactly feel like the coupe is 'settling'.) but there is at least one sign that implies they might: there will be a hole in their lineup at '1'. This isn't any manner of guarantee, mind you; there's been holes at '2' and '4' for decades.

Getting it with a naturally aspirated I6, though would truly surprise the heck out of me. With the fuel efficiency standards everyone has to hit by 2025, _everything_ is headed for turbos. I wouldn't be too surprised to see the I6 stick around in a turbo format, as long as the low-end stuff sells well enough to offset the higher displacement's fuel efficiency.

That adds to why I expect to see a 1-series hatch here in the US: BMW's average fuel efficiency needs to go up to meet US standards. There are two ways they could do that: They could take away all the high-output motors, which would eviscerate the BMW brand, or they can sell some gas mileage machines. BMW's started by moving down to a low-displacement turbo-4. As another example, Lexus has started their plans by turning out the CT200h hybrid. Both are downmarket from their traditional positions, but they're going to get high mileage vehicles with their premium marques in front of more people to offset all of the higher performance cars.

Basically, my guess: We're going to get the F20 in the next few years-- my guess in turbocharged 120 and 128 trim-- largely because BMW without ///M isn't what BMW wants to be here in the US, and the light, low-displacement hatchbacks will help them keep their higher-performance coupes and sedans.
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:32 AM
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While I would prefer the I6, I would happily accept the turbo 4 with a 6M trans in a 5-door hatchback 128i.

Heck, if push came to shove, I would probably settle for the X1 with the turbo 4 and 6M trans. But for me, that would definitely be settling.

An M version of the 128 hatchback would be beyond what I should be allowed to operate on public roadways, even though I passed 50 a few years ago!
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Zero chance of hatchback in the US, or a normally aspirated six in any car.

i love the 5 door pictured in this thread. Worth moving to Europe for.
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:52 AM
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No chance here. If you want a hatchback go with a GTI, Speed3, Audi A3, etc.. I guess BMW does not mind loosing market share. Even though that market is small but its growing here in the US. I think our mind set is starting to change. Someone needs to make a hot hatch that's rear drive

I would order one in a heart beat. I thought about the M coupe (clownshoe)at one point. Just can't find a good one close by.
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M135i is selling well here

starting price $62K.... possibly quicker than 1M
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Not a chance. BMW NA is adamant about this point and has been in the past as well. Keep on dreamin'. The natrually-aspirated engine is pretty much dead as well for BMW.

The rest of us hatch drivers will continue to look to VW Group or American/Japanese makes.
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Not a chance. BMW NA is adamant about this point and has been in the past as well.
While you're absolutely correct about this, it should also be noted that five years ago they were also adamant that four cylinder motors were completely out of the question.
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:43 AM
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You're right that there are other hatch alternatives, but I really miss the smooth NA I6 engine/stick shift/rwd combination.

And it can't be found anywhere else.

It's not like I'm in need of a car immediately. I'll keep waiting and dreaming.
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While you're absolutely correct about this, it should also be noted that five years ago they were also adamant that four cylinder motors were completely out of the question.
The upcoming front-drive one series might include a hatch version, but you're not gonna see a rear drive hatch.
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