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Old 03-13-2013, 12:01 PM
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If you do a lot of highway driving, I would implore you to research Adaptive Cruise Control as well. It's a very well-engineered system. I have driven from LA to SF with ACC on and it made highway cruising much more pleasurable with the fringe benefit of boosting MPG.
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I have done three trips in my 2012 550. I live in Houston. One trip to Dallas and back with about 10 miles of downtown Dallas driving, the rest freeway averaging at least 75mph. Another roundtrip Baton Rouge and back with just a few miles of city. Third was to Bradenton Florida and back with probably 30 miles of city driving while in Florida. All three trips I averaged 27.4mpg. Since my Flordia trip at Christmas I am now at nearly 5,000 miles without resetting the trip computer and it is still showing over 24 mpg average over those miles.

I admit that my driving is very heavy freeway, but that gives an idea of what the 550 is capable of. I once drove it 40 miles through Houston averaging 65-70 mpg and got 30mpg.
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:49 PM
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I have done three trips in my 2012 550. I live in Houston. One trip to Dallas and back with about 10 miles of downtown Dallas driving, the rest freeway averaging at least 75mph. Another roundtrip Baton Rouge and back with just a few miles of city. Third was to Bradenton Florida and back with probably 30 miles of city driving while in Florida. All three trips I averaged 27.4mpg. Since my Flordia trip at Christmas I am now at nearly 5,000 miles without resetting the trip computer and it is still showing over 24 mpg average over those miles.

I admit that my driving is very heavy freeway, but that gives an idea of what the 550 is capable of. I once drove it 40 miles through Houston averaging 65-70 mpg and got 30mpg.
Thanks for the tip. I tend to not trust the OBC, but regardless it looks like you got very nice mileage.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:04 PM
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I test drove both today and bought the 550xi. I came from an E550 and once you experience the power, there's no going back. Good luck with your decision.
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Thanks for the tip. I tend to not trust the OBC, but regardless it looks like you got very nice mileage.
I've checked mine. While it's not dead-on, it's not far enough off to matter. Maybe a few tenths. I have always gotten very good mileage on my cars. I know lots of people know this, but mileage goes beyond speed or freeway vs city. Driving style can make a significant different. I drive about 1/2 mile down the the road anticipating what is going to happen ahead of me and I adjust my driving to reflect what is happening around me. I take my foot off the gas as I see a light turn or traffic slowing, and I change lanes if it makes sense to not stop/start as often. In city driving I consistently get 2-3 mpg better than my wife on the exact same route and car for instance.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:29 PM
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Get the 550, WTH, it is cost effective when comparing it to the 535 and the mileage is not that big of a difference. I do mostly highway driving (utilizing the speed warning at 80...too many tickets from the revenue generating CHP) and get 19 on average over the past 60,000 miles. The active steering is nice btw. I have to agree with everyone else who commented on the abundance of available power with the 550. The truth is though, there is no where in California to really take full advantage of the power of the 550 and this is my third 8 cyl 5 series. As much as it pains me, I have just ordered a 528i ED. I can no longer justify the price point of a 550i with the sort of driving I do and I will indeed notice the difference in gas mileage by dropping down to the 4 cyl. I am getting myself ready for eventually living in Germany where I would have to be very rich to afford a 550i

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Old 03-13-2013, 03:45 PM
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I am going through the same dilemma and I think I will go with a loaded 535i, however the new V8 is expected to be relatively gas efficient. Yes, I do care a lot about gas consumption since I drive 25k+miles a year.
My 545i used to do 19.5mpg on my regular daily route and my 335i does 25.8mpg on the same route which is 80 highway. The turbo 6 cylinder seems to be good enough from my recent test drives.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:55 PM
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You live in D.C. so I take it that you got DDC to soften the m sport suspension over bad roads? If I am correct then I suspect that I do not need DDC since my roads down here are pretty much butter smooth.
I like to have choices on most things, so being able to switch the suspension based on the road conditions or if the mother-in-law is in the car can be beneficial.

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So you would delete m sport suspension and replace it with dynamic handling package (which contains your mentioned options)? Thanks for the input.
I say pick every option you can until it hurts, then pick just one more. I you must choose between the two, pick the DHP, you can always add stiffer springs or reprogram your shocks later.

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Many on this forum will mock me for saying this, but comfort+ on the freeway is fantastic! This goes straight to why DDC is a nice feature. I think generally on this forum the bias is for sport performance but I will say that comfort+ on longer drives is pure luxury.


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Old 03-13-2013, 03:59 PM
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I gotta be honest. I find even the 535i to be gluttonously powered for those of us who live in congested city areas. Some days I just take my car out to open it up and have some fun (like an hour ago), to be letdown when I can't even safely get the car above 3K RPM's. I couldn't imagine a 550i being usable where I live. Especially being that at least the I6 535i feels a little lighter and sportier, while the 550i gives such a smooth and luxurious slingshot forward (thus IMO being traits designed to be fully utilized in wide open spaces where you can really stretch ones legs).

The beauty of the N55's MPG isn't just in its peak numbers, it's truly almost logic defying in how great its efficiency is when pushing it hard. I know people with 550 BMW's who say that when they're really getting on it, MPG suffers greatly, while in my experience with the 535i, even after driving the crap out of it, the MPG attained during said romp won't necessarily drop your jaw. Of course, those who get the 550 don't get it for efficiency necessarily.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:19 PM
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If the difference in price would actually be the difference between a bare 535i and 550i ($9K), I'd probably go for the 535i. However, once you load it up, that difference is cut in half.

Considering residual value, I'd also have a hard time purchasing a 535i for $75K or more. At that price-range, potential buyers simply expect a V8 under the hood.

Right now, the V8 is rated at 20 MPG and the V6 at 24 MPG. The new V8 is going to close that gap even further (my guess is 22 MPG or better).

So I'd say if you get a base F10 and don't need the power, go with the 535i. If you are aiming at a well equipped F10, the V6 won't save you much - especially not after the upcoming LCI.

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Old 03-13-2013, 05:41 PM
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Thanks for the continual input guys. I live in Florida and travel routes that let me open her up. If I lived in Atlanta, Houston or D.C. I would be less inclined to get a 550i. However, I am leaning toward the v8 motor at this point with m sport and SAT. Still on the fence with m sport suspension vs dynamic handling package. Luxury seating package is a must.
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Former 550 x msport chiming in.

The power of the V8 is beautiful but if I did it again I'd strongly consider the 535. The beauty of the 550 is often not utilized especially in city driving. The mileage is autrocious. Not that the cost savings matters in the price point but the range does matter. Also those who dismiss the cost saving of better mpg are often the ones who fret over small mark ups in fees or over invoice prices ie 500 vs 750 etc. which I must say I care about too!!

Another factor is weight. The 535 feels more nimble which I liked and the added weight of the 8 cyl on top of a heavy car is noticible.

The upcoming 535d sounds nice and if u can wait for LCI to enjoy the promised better steering go for it!
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:19 PM
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Thanks for the continual input guys. I live in Florida and travel routes that let me open her up. If I lived in Atlanta, Houston or D.C. I would be less inclined to get a 550i. However, I am leaning toward the v8 motor at this point with m sport and SAT. Still on the fence with m sport suspension vs dynamic handling package. Luxury seating package is a must.
I am absolutely getting luxury seating with nappa leather. It always feels heavenly to get in my wife's semi aniline leather LS460 after getting out of my dakota upholstered car
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Sounds like you have decided on the 550. I'd do it if you don't mind the drop in MPG and can open it up.

I bought mine when I lived in DC...didnt' need 550.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:51 PM
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Test drove a F10 535i before and bought the F10 550i (twice, but that's a long story). Power of the 550i is just amazing! But I have to say that even to this day (and I have the 650i F06 now), I have a bit of buyer's remorse of NOT GETTING THE 535i......

The reason is simple and specific to where I am located. In Hong Kong, travel distance is short, no real highway to open the car up and 90% of traffic is city which quite frequently is congested. The rest of the roads are all hilly back roads which are winding. Although the 550i has loads of power, even with stiffer springs (ACS) and DHP and IAS, the 550i still feels very FRONT HEAVY in windy roads and you really feel its size. On the contrary, the 535i WITHOUT DHP and IAS, handles better with a lighter front. In those type of conditions, it really does not matter if the car has 307 horses or 450 horses (as long as power is enough to push the car thru corners) but handling is critical.

So that's about the only grip that I had about the F10 550i. But on open roads, 550i all the way!
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Thanks for the continual input guys. I live in Florida and travel routes that let me open her up. If I lived in Atlanta, Houston or D.C. I would be less inclined to get a 550i. However, I am leaning toward the v8 motor at this point with m sport and SAT. Still on the fence with m sport suspension vs dynamic handling package. Luxury seating package is a must.
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Sounds like you have decided on the 550. I'd do it if you don't mind the drop in MPG and can open it up.

I bought mine when I lived in DC...didnt' need 550.
Yeah I know you did. I was in D.C. for most of February and felt my 535i was overpowered for that area. Heck I could do a 528i in D.C. Once I got out of D.C. and back on the open roads the power deficit of the 535i was noticeable especially with a full tank of gas and loaded with luggage.
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Would ya'll quit talking about "who NEEDS....". Nobody here needs a 5 series BMW. A $28,000 Honda Accord with cloth seats and a four cylinder would get us around town just fine. But we buy these cars for other reasons than basic transportation. Even if the car gets 25% worse gas mileage, it's just money. Let's say you get 23 overall in a 535 and drive 15,000 miles a year and gas costs 4.00 a gallon. That is $2608 a year in gas. Now figure 18 mpg for a 550. That is $3333 per year. So it's $700 a year more to have a 550 (in gas prices of course). That's what, about $58 a month. The cars cost around $70,000. And we're quibbling over $58 a month!!!
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Old 03-14-2013, 05:29 AM
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During my test drives I felt the 550ix required ARS, where the 535 did not require it. The combination of heavier front end and massive torque made the 550 roll around like a boat. The 535 had very little roll to the point where I felt the ARS was redundant for that model.
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Yeah I know you did. I was in D.C. for most of February and felt my 535i was overpowered for that area. Heck I could do a 528i in D.C. Once I got out of D.C. and back on the open roads the power deficit of the 535i was noticeable especially with a full tank of gas and loaded with luggage.
Had the N20 528 been out then, I might have gotten it. The N52 in the 2011's was missing some low down torque.

But I thought about it. Before I realized I just needed more TORQUE.
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During my test drives I felt the 550ix required ARS, where the 535 did not require it. The combination of heavier front end and massive torque made the 550 roll around like a boat. The 535 had very little roll to the point where I felt the ARS was redundant for that model.
Hmm. This is important. Did the 550xi you drove have standard suspension or m sport suspension?
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Would ya'll quit talking about "who NEEDS....". Nobody here needs a 5 series BMW. A $28,000 Honda Accord with cloth seats and a four cylinder would get us around town just fine. But we buy these cars for other reasons than basic transportation. Even if the car gets 25% worse gas mileage, it's just money. Let's say you get 23 overall in a 535 and drive 15,000 miles a year and gas costs 4.00 a gallon. That is $2608 a year in gas. Now figure 18 mpg for a 550. That is $3333 per year. So it's $700 a year more to have a 550 (in gas prices of course). That's what, about $58 a month. The cars cost around $70,000. And we're quibbling over $58 a month!!!
EXACTLY!!

Thank you for breaking it down in actual $ per year and month. I will take it a step further and give you the per day up charge for the 550i. Wait for it. It's a whopper.................

$1.93 per day more in gas over the 535i when driving 15000 miles a year.

Drink one less Starbucks per day and you're now spending 50c LESS per day than you would be in a 35i.

Get the 50 and never speak of the 35 again.

J/k if we need more discussion. IM IN.
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EXACTLY!!

Thank you for breaking it down in actual $ per year and month. I will take it a step further and give you the per day up charge for the 550i. Wait for it. It's a whopper.................

$1.93 per day more in gas over the 535i when driving 15000 miles a year.

Drink one less Starbucks per day and you're now spending 50c LESS per day than you would be in a 35i.

Get the 50 and never speak of the 35 again.

J/k if we need more discussion. IM IN.
I agree. It was not so much a question of money, but performance and expected range per tank. I originally wanted an M5, but after owning the x5M I knew I could never tolerate bi-daily fill ups as I hate stopping to fill up. If 550 came with a bigger tank I would pay extra for that.
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