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Old 03-14-2013, 08:40 AM
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I agree. It was not so much a question of money, but performance and expected range per tank. I originally wanted an M5, but after owning the x5M I knew I could never tolerate bi-daily fill ups as I hate stopping to fill up. If 550 came with a bigger tank I would pay extra for that.
Great point. I despise filling up as well. A larger tank would be nice but handling would be impacted when the tank is topped off. Not to mention the annoyance of the $100 cut off at the pump.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:42 AM
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I'm a bit stunned that some of you get as high MPG as you do with "aggressive driving." I live in the city and seldom drive on the highway. However, I drive very aggressively and am lucky to get over 15mpg. I really end up getting around 12 mpg. I took a road trip from DC to Richmond last week and averaged about 20 mpg, but of course I took my aggressiveness down a notch on I-95. Your MPG really has to do with what type of driver you are. You have to understand that the car behaves very differently when in Sport+/D/S than when you are in Comfort. IMO, it's the only way to drive this car. I was set on the 535i xdrive at first, but after one test drive of the 550i xdrive there was no going back.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:00 AM
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Go for the 550i. I regret picking the 535i. More frequent fill ups you can live with. Smaller and weaker engine you can not change.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:28 AM
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EXACTLY!!

Thank you for breaking it down in actual $ per year and month. I will take it a step further and give you the per day up charge for the 550i. Wait for it. It's a whopper.................

$1.93 per day more in gas over the 535i when driving 15000 miles a year.

Drink one less Starbucks per day and you're now spending 50c LESS per day than you would be in a 35i.

Get the 50 and never speak of the 35 again.

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Old 03-14-2013, 09:44 AM
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The extra $1.93 per day is worth it when considering the opportunity cost of arriving at your destination faster. Time is money!
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:55 AM
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I agree. It was not so much a question of money, but performance and expected range per tank. I originally wanted an M5, but after owning the x5M I knew I could never tolerate bi-daily fill ups as I hate stopping to fill up. If 550 came with a bigger tank I would pay extra for that.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:04 AM
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EXACTLY!!

Thank you for breaking it down in actual $ per year and month. I will take it a step further and give you the per day up charge for the 550i. Wait for it. It's a whopper.................

$1.93 per day more in gas over the 535i when driving 15000 miles a year.

Drink one less Starbucks per day and you're now spending 50c LESS per day than you would be in a 35i.
With the upcoming LCI and introduction of the new V8, I guess you can cut the additional $1.93/day for gas in half - so Starbucks might still be in reach..
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:04 AM
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"Power Deficit" on a car as smooth and powerful as the 535. Especially driving in the US, there is not way the 535 is under-powered! I can't even push my 535 (and it does it effortlessly) here on the Chicago highways, without running the risk of getting caught by the police.

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Once I got out of D.C. and back on the open roads the power deficit of the 535i was noticeable especially with a full tank of gas and loaded with luggage.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:25 AM
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"Power Deficit" on a car as smooth and powerful as the 535. Especially driving in the US, there is not way the 535 is under-powered! I can't even push my 535 (and it does it effortlessly) here on the Chicago highways, without running the risk of getting caught by the police.
I guess my desire for speed is higher then most. It is a bit underpowered IMHO. The N55 is perfect for the 3, but a little weak for the 5.
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:08 PM
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I guess my desire for speed is higher then most. It is a bit underpowered IMHO. The N55 is perfect for the 3, but a little weak for the 5.
I bought the 535i hoping for a tune from Dinan, which I figured would add ~30hp, making it just about right. Still no word from Dinan yet
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:20 PM
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I bought the 535i hoping for a tune from Dinan, which I figured would add ~30hp, making it just about right. Still no word from Dinan yet
Yes. 330-350 hp on the 535i would be just perfect. But we all know the Dinan tune is probably not going to happen....
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:09 PM
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I guess my desire for speed is higher then most. It is a bit underpowered IMHO. The N55 is perfect for the 3, but a little weak for the 5.
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"Power Deficit" on a car as smooth and powerful as the 535. Especially driving in the US, there is not way the 535 is under-powered! I can't even push my 535 (and it does it effortlessly) here on the Chicago highways, without running the risk of getting caught by the police.
Speed is all relative, and whatever floats one's boat is what it is. I'm a serious speed junkie. When I got my 550 it was to replace a GS350 Lexus. But I had also recently sold my weekend car - a 505 hp Z06 Corvette.

My wifes car is a 305 hp Acura TL that is roughly as fast as a 535. When I get in it now it feels like a total dog. It's just a matter of what you are used to and how big of a junkie you are.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:01 PM
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With the upcoming LCI and introduction of the new V8, I guess you can cut the additional $1.93/day for gas in half - so Starbucks might still be in reach..
Is the new V8 really going to be more noticeably gas efficient and if so, what's going to be different in it?
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:13 PM
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But the 550 does add over 300lbs to the front, throwing off the 50/50 weight distribution. Not sure if this affects handling at all.

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Is the new V8 really going to be more noticeably gas efficient and if so, what's going to be different in it?
Doubtful.

The trend is towards hybrids, diesels, and 4 cylinder engines much like Europe. If there was such a thing I think Europe would have adopted by now.

I don't think BMW can meet CAFE standards by selling too many V8s. Hence the trend back to smaller engines........ and um heavier cars.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:19 PM
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...i/viewall.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...5i_first_test/
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._528i_arrival/

550 0-60 is 4.8s and Qtr Mile is 13.3s @ 106.9mph
535 0-60 is 5.5s and Qtr Mile is 14.0s @ 99.3mph

550 takes a hit on braking though, 116ft versus 106ft. Lateral acceleration also drops by .03g and figure 8 time is slower by .2s.

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Old 03-14-2013, 02:23 PM
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Is the new V8 really going to be more noticeably gas efficient and if so, what's going to be different in it?
How much more efficient it's going to be in real life is hard to tell. So far there are only claims out there, stating that it will use 20% less gas.

This might be a bit optimistic but 10-15% in savings are possible.

Looking at the current 20 MPG overall rating of the F10 V8, that number could go up to 22. The 750i gained an additional 2 MPG due to that engine, too (from 17 to 19 overall - I don't know why it's rated 19 although it has identical city/highway numbers to the 550i which is rated 20 overall).

We have to see what happens to the V6. If it stays at 24 MPG and the V8 improves to 22 MPG, you are looking at an additional $20/month in gas for the V8 based on today's prices and 15K miles/year.

There were rumors about a stronger V6 but I haven't heard any recent news so I guess they axed that for now. A 535i with 320-330HP with an improved MPG-rating over the current V6 would certainly change the entire picture.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:26 PM
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How much more efficient it's going to be in real life is hard to tell. So far there are only claims out there, stating that it will use 20% less gas.

This might be a bit optimistic but 10-15% in savings are possible.

Looking at the current 20 MPG overall rating of the F10 V8, that number could go up to 22. The 750i gained an additional 2 MPG due to that engine, too (from 17 to 19 overall - I don't know why it's rated 19 although it has identical city/highway numbers to the 550i which is rated 20 overall).

We have to see what happens to the V6. If it stays at 24 MPG and the V8 improves to 22 MPG, you are looking at an additional $20/month in gas for the V8 based on today's prices and 15K miles/year.

There were rumors about a stronger V6 but I haven't heard any recent news so I guess they axed that for now. A 535i with 320-330HP with an improved MPG-rating over the current V6 would certainly change the entire picture.
The 750 went from a six speed automatic to an eight speed when it got the new engine.
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...i/viewall.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...5i_first_test/

550 0-60 is 4.8s and Qtr Mile is 13.3s @ 106.9mph
535 0-60 is 5.5s and Qtr Mile is 14.0s @ 99.3mph

550 takes a hit on braking though, 116ft versus 106ft. Lateral acceleration also drops by .03g and figure 8 time is slower by .2s.
Keep in mind that the 550 test was a six speed manual. The eight speed auto is likely faster and more fuel efficient. The 535 article attached is an automatic.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:31 PM
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Keep in mind that the 550 test was a six speed manual. The eight speed auto is likely faster and more fuel efficient. The 535 article attached is an automatic.
That's true. So we should expect to see better straight acceleration numbers for the auto 550, but same or worse handling/braking numbers b/c of slightly more weight?
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The 750 went from a six speed automatic to an eight speed when it got the new engine.
That certainly helped as well - however, you can see the same 2 MPG gain when comparing the MY12 650i coupe to the MY13. Both MYs feature the 8-speed automatic.

Here are some numbers from a German magazine:

BMW 650i Coupé, 8.6 Liters/100 Kilometers
MY 2012 650i Coupé, 10.5 Liters/100 Kilometers

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Talking about MPG: Does anybody know why on fueleconomy.gov, the MY11 550i Auto is rated 20 MPG overall, the MY12 rated 18 MPG and the current MY13 rated 20MPG again?

Is this a glitch? What is the difference for MY12?

Also funny: The 535i xDrive is rated 21/30 but the RWD 535i is only rated 20/30. How come? I thought AWD has a higher fuel-consumption..
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I've followed this thread with some amusement, I must confess

To the OP: man, just get the most powerful car your money can buy - you will never regret!!!
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Hmm. This is important. Did the 550xi you drove have standard suspension or m sport suspension?
Well you made a good point too. They were both non msport models. I ordered the msport 535xi with DDC. In sport mode there is no significant roll that I can detect. It is much better then the non msport 535 that I test drove. So I guess you would need to test a 550 with the m sport suspension without ARS to be sure.
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Old 03-14-2013, 04:51 PM
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I've been lurking around here for a few months now and thought this was a good time to make my first post. On new year's eve I bought a '13 F10 550x. Msport, no DDC tho. I drive 125 miles each way to work, twice a week. So most of what i do is highway. I have averaged 25 mpg on premium (93) and 23-24 mpg on mid (89). City driving i average 18mpg. So far the handling has been fine for me but i have nothing to compare it to.
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