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Old 03-14-2013, 05:02 PM
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I guess my desire for speed is higher then most. It is a bit underpowered IMHO. The N55 is perfect for the 3, but a little weak for the 5.
Wasn't there a rumor about the 535 changing to a more powerful 540i? That's one of the reasons I am waiting until Fall.


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That's the rumor I was talking about. I'd like to add though that there is a typo in that article. It should read:

"We expect BMW to upgrade both the turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six and the 4.4-liter twin-turbo V-8 with slightly more power than their current 300- and 400-hp figures. The model designation of the six-cylinder 535i may be scrapped in favor of 540i."
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Funny how much power is needed for the streets these days. Is it mainly only bragging rights? I test drove the 528i and thought it had sufficient power. Since I live in the city I imagine I WOT maybe once a day if I'm lucky to be the first on the red light .
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Funny how much power is needed for the streets these days. Is it mainly only bragging rights? I test drove the 528i and thought it had sufficient power. Since I live in the city I imagine I WOT maybe once a day if I'm lucky to be the first on the red light .
It's also a competition between the manufacturers. If MB increases power, BMW has to do the same.

I once owned an E60 M5. Looking at the performance of the upcoming LCI V8 and considering that the xDrive could potentially have a 0-60 time of less than 4.5 seconds, it certainly makes you wonder about the purpose of the current M5 - especially if you compare the price of those two vehicles
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It's also a competition between the manufacturers. If MB increases power, BMW has to do the same.

I once owned an E60 M5. Looking at the performance of the upcoming LCI V8 and considering that the xDrive could potentially have a 0-60 time of less than 4.5 seconds, it certainly makes you wonder about the purpose of the current M5 - especially if you compare the price of those two vehicles
Interesting. Sometimes I wonder if we are the last hold outs on obsolete technology and that a Tesla is what we should strive for.

One day we will look back and say "V8" and think of only vegetable juice.
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If this was E60 the 535i has the edge but I would take the F10 550 over the 535i...
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Something to consider. You can always install the JB4 on a 535 bringing the HP closer to 350hp/380tq. Still won't be as quick as a 550 but it will be closer plus you still get the benefits of the Inline 6.

Whatever you get though just make sure the car has Msport and DHP. Its a must on all late model Bmw's unless you like the soft cadillac ride.

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I've been lurking around here for a few months now and thought this was a good time to make my first post. On new year's eve I bought a '13 F10 550x. Msport, no DDC tho. I drive 125 miles each way to work, twice a week. So most of what i do is highway. I have averaged 25 mpg on premium (93) and 23-24 mpg on mid (89). City driving i average 18mpg. So far the handling has been fine for me but i have nothing to compare it to.
Thanks for your post. Very helpful and nice highway fuel economy. I test drove a 550i m sport without DDC. I drove a 650 m sport with DDC. Big difference. For me DDC is a must unless I get dynamic handling package.
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Something to consider. You can always install the JB4 on a 535 bringing the HP closer to 350hp/380tq. Still won't be as quick as a 550 but it will be closer plus you still get the benefits of the Inline 6.

Whatever you get though just make sure the car has Msport and DHP. Its a must on all late model Bmw's unless you like the soft cadillac ride.

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If this was E60 the 535i has the edge but I would take the F10 550 over the 535i...
Agreed. I loved my E60 535i. Need to move away from this topic before the thread goes crazy with E60 vs F10 debate.
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I have a rule against engine or electronic mods in my car. If it was Dinan I might do it, but not JB4.
I kind a feel the same way about adjustable suspensions. Not a fan of OEM buttons that change the car's behaviour from cadillac to consumer sport mode. It is more marketing crap that does not seem work all that great anyway and from what I can tell from the forum causes more confusion than anything. If something is really that good it should be obvious why that is. Even dealers don't sell cars based on these options, I doubt they even understand what they are selling.

My point to the OP is it comes down to inline 6 or V8, more or less MPG, all they other crap is subjective in terms of real value and usefulness.

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Get the DDC with ARS...

DDC Yes...I not sure WHAT is included in the M Sport package for 2013 and if indeed there is a specific "M Sport suspension" but in 2012 the M Sport option was purely a cosmetic package (aerodynamics, Wheels, interior trim) and DDC was an option. Regretfully, I did not know that ARS was also an option when I bought my car and regret big time.

My point is that to fully get the handling the car deserves, be sure to get ARS and DDC. ARS for the roll control and DDC for electronic shock adjustment.
Be careful when you test drive dealer's car on the lot that have these options. As you might already know, you have to configure the ARS and DDC (by using the toggle on the console) in sport or sport + mode for the "chassis" for it to be operational. Otherwise, the car is in the default "comfort" mode. If you haven't already, try it...you'll immediately notice the difference.

The DDC is worth it in my opinion....you can toggle on the fly. i.e. Keep in in sport mode on smooth highways and toggle down to comfort mode when you encounter rough roads.
And, if your a Dinan fan, there is a cool "shockwave" mod Dinan offers for the DDC equiped F10 that notches up the shock valving in all modes.

BTW...I get mid to high 20's on smooth, open highway on my monthly 300+ mile trips using cruise control set at 80. BUT I struggle to get 20mpg in city and driving when I drive the car in hunt and kill mode. Your milage may vary...
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These cars are trying to appeal to a wide range of buyers and BMW is doing what it can to keep everyone 90% happy including adding 1/2/4/6GC series and continuing M3/M5/M6 and multiple SUV's including somewhat useless things like the X6 etc that 10 people want.
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I kind a feel the same way about adjustable suspensions. Not a fan of OEM buttons that change the car's behaviour from cadillac to consumer sport mode. It is more marketing crap that does not seem work all that great anyway and from what I can tell from the forum causes more confusion than anything. If something is really that good it should be obvious why that is. Even dealers don't sell cars based on these options, I doubt they even understand what they are selling.

My point to the OP is it comes down to inline 6 or V8, more or less MPG, all they other crap is subjective in terms of real value and usefulness.

The key to a good BMW ride is keep it simple. The simpler the better and less dealer visits.
You hit the nail on the head and I mentioned this very fact in my first original post. I tend to order my cars with as little equipment as possible with the mindset that the less stuff in the car the more reliable it will be. This one will be a daily driver that hits 200k miles (I won't be trading this one in) by the time I get rid of it. Hence my preference for the stock m sport suspension since it is a traditional coil/spring setup. My other options, heated seats and luxury seating package are not going to cause many issues. I am leaving out the computerized crap that I know will fail when the car gets older. I prefer dynamic handling package, but the 650 felt like it was well planted around the corners and does not add the complexity of adaptive drive. I am taking a gamble that DDC will be a fairly reliable option as the car ages. Adaptive drive, although I want it, I can see being a headache once I get well past 100k miles.

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DDC Yes...I not sure WHAT is included in the M Sport package for 2013 and if indeed there is a specific "M Sport suspension" but in 2012 the M Sport option was purely a cosmetic package (aerodynamics, Wheels, interior trim) and DDC was an option. Regretfully, I did not know that ARS was also an option when I bought my car and regret big time.

My point is that to fully get the handling the car deserves, be sure to get ARS and DDC. ARS for the roll control and DDC for electronic shock adjustment.
Be careful when you test drive dealer's car on the lot that have these options. As you might already know, you have to configure the ARS and DDC (by using the toggle on the console) in sport or sport + mode for the "chassis" for it to be operational. Otherwise, the car is in the default "comfort" mode. If you haven't already, try it...you'll immediately notice the difference.

The DDC is worth it in my opinion....you can toggle on the fly. i.e. Keep in in sport mode on smooth highways and toggle down to comfort mode when you encounter rough roads.
And, if your a Dinan fan, there is a cool "shockwave" mod Dinan offers for the DDC equiped F10 that notches up the shock valving in all modes.

BTW...I get mid to high 20's on smooth, open highway on my monthly 300+ mile trips using cruise control set at 80. BUT I struggle to get 20mpg in city and driving when I drive the car in hunt and kill mode. Your milage may vary...
I agree with your comments. For 2013 ARS is part of adaptive drive and DDC is a stand alone option that can be paired with the passive m sport suspension. Your model year did not offer the passive m sport suspension so dynamic handling package was a must if you wanted it to handle well. My take on it is m sport suspension is sufficient, m sport suspension plus DDC is good and adaptive drive is excellent. I am leaning toward the middle of the road here with the thought that it will be a good compromise between reliablity and decent handling.
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Maybe a 2014?

Can't help but wonder...if you can wait 'till mid year changeover, perhaps ordering a 2014 550i with the upgraded 445hp motor might be the ticket? And, as an alternate, strong rumors are the M550d will be available stateside as well. From what I read, that is one torque monster with 30+ mileage to boot.
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You hit the nail on the head and I mentioned this very fact in my first original post. I tend to order my cars with as little equipment as possible with the mindset that the less stuff in the car the more reliable it will be. This one will be a daily driver that hits 200k miles (I won't be trading this one in) by the time I get rid of it. Hence my preference for the stock m sport suspension since it is a traditional coil/spring setup. My other options, heated seats and luxury seating package are not going to cause many issues. I am leaving out the computerized crap that I know will fail when the car gets older. I prefer dynamic handling package, but the 650 felt like it was well planted around the corners and does not add the complexity of adaptive drive. I am taking a gamble that DDC will be a fairly reliable option as the car ages. Adaptive drive, although I want it, I can see being a headache once I get well past 100k miles.



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With the highlighted quote, I think you should get the 550. If this is going to be a long term vehicle, get the best and most powerful and fun.
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DDC Yes...I not sure WHAT is included in the M Sport package for 2013 and if indeed there is a specific "M Sport suspension" but in 2012 the M Sport option was purely a cosmetic package (aerodynamics, Wheels, interior trim) and DDC was an option. Regretfully, I did not know that ARS was also an option when I bought my car and regret big time.

My point is that to fully get the handling the car deserves, be sure to get ARS and DDC. ARS for the roll control and DDC for electronic shock adjustment.
Be careful when you test drive dealer's car on the lot that have these options. As you might already know, you have to configure the ARS and DDC (by using the toggle on the console) in sport or sport + mode for the "chassis" for it to be operational. Otherwise, the car is in the default "comfort" mode. If you haven't already, try it...you'll immediately notice the difference.

The DDC is worth it in my opinion....you can toggle on the fly. i.e. Keep in in sport mode on smooth highways and toggle down to comfort mode when you encounter rough roads.
And, if your a Dinan fan, there is a cool "shockwave" mod Dinan offers for the DDC equiped F10 that notches up the shock valving in all modes.

BTW...I get mid to high 20's on smooth, open highway on my monthly 300+ mile trips using cruise control set at 80. BUT I struggle to get 20mpg in city and driving when I drive the car in hunt and kill mode. Your milage may vary...
M-Sport included the Dynamic suspension in 2012. In fact, I'm looking at my window sticker right now, it shows the following under "M-Sport Package"...

Dynamic Damper Control
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Can't help but wonder...if you can wait 'till mid year changeover, perhaps ordering a 2014 550i with the upgraded 445hp motor might be the ticket? And, as an alternate, strong rumors are the M550d will be available stateside as well. From what I read, that is one torque monster with 30+ mileage to boot.
I hear you, but you guys should know that part of my reason for not waiting is negative equity. My car is about 15 months old and it has over 40k miles on the clock. I need to dump it now or just forget about it. Even if I wait a year until there are discounts on the 2014 I will be at 70-75k and at that point and the negative equity may very well be worse. After talks with people I trust the consensus is to dump it now or forget about it. The 550i is fast enough for me with the 400 hp so I do not want to wait.

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With the highlighted quote, I think you should get the 550. If this is going to be a long term vehicle, get the best and most powerful and fun.
This is what the better half said to me the other day. My how her tune has changed since she started rolling around in the x5M . In the old days she would have voted for the 535i. We took a trip to Orlando a couple of weeks ago and elected to take the 535i since we planned to valet park the car (tight parking garage and big x5 do not go well together) and I am going up the on-ramp with luggage and 3 people in the car and she comments how the car feels really slow. I am like its on the floor what do you want me to do .

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M-Sport included the Dynamic suspension in 2012. In fact, I'm looking at my window sticker right now, it shows the following under "M-Sport Package"...

Dynamic Damper Control
19" wheels
Multi Contour seats
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That was 2012. For 2013 the multi contour seats came out of the package (standard on 550i, but optional on 535i) and DDC came out of the package and is a 1k option if you select m sport package. They change this crap every single year.
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Mine reads the same but I think you meant "Dynamic Damper Control" (which was $3800) instead of Dynamic Suspension? Nevertheless, I WISH I had ARS

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M-Sport included the Dynamic suspension in 2012. In fact, I'm looking at my window sticker right now, it shows the following under "M-Sport Package"...

Dynamic Damper Control
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Mine reads the same but I think you meant "Dynamic Damper Control" (which was $3800) instead of Dynamic Suspension? Nevertheless, I WISH I had ARS
Yeah, as if I know the difference between Dynamic Damper Control and Dynamic Suspension. I didn't know there was a Dynamic Suspension.

BMW makes it so f*%#cking confusing that they probably lose sales of some of these feature because so few people know what they are, and in may cases folks assume that if they order M-Sport they are getting a sport suspension. Actually, more than one person has gotten in my car, saw the M-Sport door sills and assumed I had an M5 - and I'm not making that up.
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Yeah, as if I know the difference between Dynamic Damper Control and Dynamic Suspension. I didn't know there was a Dynamic Suspension.

BMW makes it so f*%#cking confusing that they probably lose sales of some of these feature because so few people know what they are, and in may cases folks assume that if they order M-Sport they are getting a sport suspension. Actually, more than one person has gotten in my car, saw the M-Sport door sills and assumed I had an M5 - and I'm not making that up.
To the average person the 550i looks like an M5. Many are hard pressed to see the differences. I bet if you put the 20 inch M5 wheels on the 550i along with removing the 550i badge and putting the M5 badge there you would fool 90% of the people out there. Most would not notice the aero kit differences, ride height differences, brake differences and lack of side vents.
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To the average person the 550i looks like an M5. Many are hard pressed to see the differences. I bet if you put the 20 inch M5 wheels on the 550i along with removing the 550i badge and putting the M5 badge there you would fool 90% of the people out there. Most would not notice the aero kit differences, ride height differences, brake differences and lack of side vents.
To be honest, I kind of wish they didn't put all those m-tags on the msport. It's kind of embarrassing being a 535 and all couldn't imagine a 528 msport at least the 550 is close enough, especially if they go with the 445hp.
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Most people don't know the difference between the various series let alone 528/535/550/M5.

When I bought my first BMW a few years ago (E60 535xi), I was asked on several occasions if mine was the same as so and so's BMW (a 2007 3 series) and I replied that it wasn't, that mine was a 5 series.

Them: "Oh. What's his?"

Me: "A 3 series."

Them: "So what's the difference between a 3 series and a 535?"

Me: "The 5 series is a bit larger."

Them: "So a 535 is a 5 series?"

Sadly, this happened several times.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:59 PM
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Most people don't know the difference between the various series let alone 528/535/550/M5.

When I bought my first BMW a few years ago (E60 535xi), I was asked on several occasions if mine was the same as so and so's BMW (a 2007 3 series) and I replied that it wasn't, that mine was a 5 series.

Them: "Oh. What's his?"

Me: "A 3 series."

Them: "So what's the difference between a 3 series and a 535?"

Me: "The 5 series is a bit larger."

Them: "So a 535 is a 5 series?"

Sadly, this happened several times.
Most people only care if you drive a premium car like a BMW or not. They really don't care which one. It is like wearing Diesel jeans, Rolex watches, or cooking on a Viking range. Premium cars imply wealth which is the mystique that causes the interest to begin with. I really don't think they would even notice if was a 10 year old model.

They never ever ask about model, as one they don't know specifics and two they don't care. It is more about recognizing one's desire for finer things in life.

The big thing I hear these days is "are you buying a Tesla?" The company has eclipsed anything on the road right now based on comments from friends and potential buyers. BMW is soooooo far behind.
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