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Old 03-14-2013, 07:06 AM
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Diesel-powered BMW 328d debut at NY Auto Show

Diesel Powered BMW 328d

The New York Auto Show is just a few weeks away and BMW has teased out the details of what will be on display. The big news is for 3 series drivers waiting for an oil burning variant. The 328d will make is US debut at the auto show and Bimmerfest.com will be there to cover it.

The diesel-powered BMW 328d will make its U.S. debut at this year's New York International Auto Show, joining the BMW 3 Series lineup and strengthening BMW's position as one of the country's most efficient automakers. The BMW 328d will be powered by a TwinPower Turbo 4 cylinder engine, delivering 180 hp and an impressive 280 lb-ft of torque propelling the vehicle from 0 to 60 mph in about 7.2 seconds while getting mileage that could well exceed 40 mpg (official US EPA estimates will be available closer to the launch of the 328d). With the hallmark performance of a BMW 3 Series and increased efficiency of a diesel engine, the BMW 328d will serve as the new benchmark in its class.

We will be on hand to get up close and personal with the 328d. If you have any specific questions about the diesel F30 3 series post them and we will do our best to get them answered.

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so its got 50 less hp than the 328, but 50 more torque... weird
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:18 AM
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That is typical for a diesel engine from what I've seen.

HP is a function of TQ over speed or something like that. Better explanation here - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=659352

Diesels are not typically high revving so less HP. At least that is what I think, could be totally wrong.

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That is typical for a diesel engine from what I've seen.

HP is a function of TQ over speed or something like that. Better explanation here - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=659352

Diesels are not typically high revving so less HP. At least that is what I think, could be totally wrong.

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This engine with a manual transmission in a wagon with RWD would be a win for BMW drivers in the U.S.

But, that's probably not going to happen.
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Have you driven a diesel with a manual in the city? It's not much fun.

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This engine with a manual transmission in a wagon with RWD would be a win for BMW drivers in the U.S.

But, that's probably not going to happen.
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This engine with a manual transmission in a wagon with RWD would be a win for BMW drivers in the U.S.

But, that's probably not going to happen.
Yeah, for each of the three buyers that comprise that market.
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Sign me up. Don't care about HP, we're all doing max 80 MPH anyway. Gimme that torque and the great mileage.
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so its got 50 less hp than the 328, but 50 more torque... weird
Check your math, it's less than 30 more tq and 60hp less.

But we all know it's the actual power that will matter as dynos show the N20 is making the tq that the diesel is claiming. In reality, the diesel might be making the same torque as the N55.
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In reality, the diesel might be making the same torque as the N55.
I don't think they underrated this engine as well. While 5.8s for 240/260 it's definitely a (beautiful) lie, 7.2s sounds about right for 170/280.
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I don't think they underrated this engine as well. While 5.8s for 240/260 it's definitely a (beautiful) lie, 7.2s sounds about right for 170/280.
It's different with diesels and the low redline.

It can still make N55 torque and be that slow.

According to BMW it is a tenth slower than the 320i which they rate at 180/200.

I am just saying, until I see magazine tests and dynos, we are only getting half the story.
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#1 - interested in tunability...lot of turbo diesels nowadays get a real nice HP spike
#2 - This will be ruined if it carries a hefty premium over the 328i
#3 - I'm concerned about weight balance since diesels are usually much heavier due to the heavier engine and heavier support around that heavier engine
#4 - Diesel needs to offer enough of a MPG advantage over the n20/n26 to make it worthwhile to drop 60hp and lose some of the other advantages
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This engine with a manual transmission in a wagon with RWD would be a win for half a dozen BMW drivers in the U.S.

But, that's probably not going to happen.
Fixed it for you.
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It's different with diesels and the low redline.

It can still make N55 torque and be that slow.

According to BMW it is a tenth slower than the 320i which they rate at 180/200.

I am just saying, until I see magazine tests and dynos, we are only getting half the story.
That's because torque is not a measure of work performed, whereas HP is.

An 1000hp/10 ft/lb motor will tear it up. A 10hp / 1000 lb/ft motor will be a dog.

180 hp 0-60 in 7.2 seconds for a RWD car is about right.
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Interesting that the new diesel in the VW Golf is the same, 180 hp, 280 lb-ft torque.
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#3 - I'm concerned about weight balance since diesels are usually much heavier due to the heavier engine and heavier support around that heavier engine
You can probably get a pretty good sense of that by checking out the specs of the 320d at BMW.com.
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#3 - I'm concerned about weight balance since diesels are usually much heavier due to the heavier engine and heavier support around that heavier engine
#4 - Diesel needs to offer enough of a MPG advantage over the n20/n26 to make it worthwhile to drop 60hp and lose some of the other advantages
as posted above- check out bmw.com and compare the 320d and 328i
the d is 15 kg lighter than the i
the d uses roughly 30% less fuel

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Interesting that the new diesel in the VW Golf is the same, 180 hp, 280 lb-ft torque.
close: 170 and 258
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That's the old Mk VI GTD, the new Mk VII is supposedly rated at 180/280: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/v...eva-2013-02-21, which is right on par with the F20 120D.
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That's the old Mk VI GTD, the new Mk VII is supposedly rated at 180/280: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/v...eva-2013-02-21, which is right on par with the F20 120D.
Is the MkVII scheduled to come to the states? At tdiclub.com I saw discussion of the Mk VI.
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Is the MkVII scheduled to come to the states? At tdiclub.com I saw discussion of the Mk VI.
The MkVII GTI is coming summer 2014, the GTD supposedly is coming, but that hasn't been confirmed by VW officially, and we don't know if it'll have the 180 hp diesel in the US market.

VW tends to stiff the US market on performance.
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Is the MkVII scheduled to come to the states? At tdiclub.com I saw discussion of the Mk VI.
Europe is getting GTI in May, last year VW told C&D that it would be Q3 '13 in the states but it looks like they're not sticking to that schedule anymore: http://blog.caranddriver.com/new-vol...-s-until-2014/

Now the reports are they'll build it in Mexico alongside the Jetta, no thanks.
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