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Old 03-16-2013, 07:29 PM
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New to the BMW world :) - A couple of questions

Hi Bimmerfest forums.

I'm Josh. I just recently purchased a 2009 328i with what I understand as the M Sport Package. I confirmed this (or something similar) with a local BMW dealership.

I'm coming from Honda, after my Prelude got too old I had to graduate to a real car ;-)

I have searched Google and the forums pretty well, but still wanted some clarification as I've seen some back and forth answers depending on what forum or blog you read.

The 328i (coupe) with the sport suspension is amazing, I love it. I used to be into AutoX when I had a little Del Slo (Honda) and I wanted to know what's the best and most practical practice for minor (not professional, every day enjoyable stiff and steady) suspension upgrades?

I know Dinan is a huge name in this brand but I've seen the strut bars, etc, for 299+. Granted, I learned from my car you get what you pay for, but are these a pretty much standard?

What type of benefits have any of you guys had with Dinan Front Sway Bars?

More so, what about their ram intake, exhaust, etc? I know you pay for the name, and I firmly believe if you have something as nice as a BMW you simply shouldn't just throw the most affordable thing on it - as car shallow as it sounds.

So, from a guy coming from a stock Prelude and previously heavily modified Del Sol for AutoX, what would you suggest for simply upgrades that will make a slight difference?

Off topic: I literally have fallen in love with this car. I hope to stick around here and read up on this car and what you guys are doing, too. For your curiosity, I added a picture of the car:

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Old 03-16-2013, 07:36 PM
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:56 PM
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I wanted to know what's the best and most practical practice for minor (not professional, every day enjoyable stiff and steady) suspension upgrades?

I know Dinan is a huge name....

You've purchased a used car for its low price....you don't want Dinan, the most expensive vendor.

Y'see, a BMW with a few years on it is modder's DIY heaven. Here's what I did - check various links and you'll find add'l DIY threads.

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Old 03-16-2013, 08:07 PM
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You've purchased a used car for its low price....you don't want Dinan, the most expensive vendor.

Y'see, a BMW with a few years on it is modder's DIY heaven. Here's what I did - check various links and you'll find add'l DIY threads.

Best o'luck!
WOW! That's impressive! I scrolled through quickly, I'll need to focus my morning coffee to read the details. This is some awesome work and documentation. Thank you so much for the link.

Although I'll admit I'm a shy DIYer, with a friend and a beer I build up some confidence quickly.

Your reasoning regarding Dinan makes sense, perhaps it's just my shallow, egotistical attitude then that just wants that brand name ;-)

Have you by any chance used anything by them? Are they comparable to other brands? Or is it really a higher quality product - in all honesty, of course
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I'm not familiar with Dinan, but my impression of them is that people use their stuff to mod if they want to keep their warranties intact. Most mods can void any warranties that are still in place. If the car is out of warranty, then it becomes a non-issue.
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WOW! That's impressive! I scrolled through quickly, I'll need to focus my morning coffee to read the details. This is some awesome work and documentation. Thank you so much for the link.

Although I'll admit I'm a shy DIYer, with a friend and a beer I build up some confidence quickly.

Your reasoning regarding Dinan makes sense, perhaps it's just my shallow, egotistical attitude then that just wants that brand name ;-)

Have you by any chance used anything by them? Are they comparable to other brands? Or is it really a higher quality product - in all honesty, of course

Dinan's Limited Slip Diff is a rebadged and marked up Quaife. Their price is high. They have their own warranty. I've not heard of anyone using it.

Yo! Koni Yellows....Eibach Sport [linear] Springs....BMW M Div parts....Megan Toe Arms....there're well known brand names fer ya. That's what I have and, gotta say, they are a stunning upgrade. DIY with all new parts also stunningly less expensive than Dinan.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:57 PM
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Dinan's Limited Slip Diff is a rebadged and marked up Quaife. Their price is high. They have their own warranty. I've not heard of anyone using it.

Yo! Koni Yellows....Eibach Sport [linear] Springs....BMW M Div parts....Megan Toe Arms....there're well known brand names fer ya. That's what I have and, gotta say, they are a stunning upgrade. DIY with all new parts also stunningly less expensive than Dinan.
How about Bilstein? As corny as it sounds, I want to stay as German or Euro as possible.

It's always been my dream to own a car such as this. It's been a week on Tuesday and I still have to go outside to admire it and realize I really own it. I don't mind paying top dollar if it is quality, no matter what brand - ya know?

Re: warranty. The car as 36,XXX miles, and is covered under the manufac. warranty; however, it expires at the end of this month. I'm getting an extended warranty (90% sure at least, unless I research horrible reviews) from "EasyCare - Total Care". It's rated highly in Motortrend, etc.

I'm not sure about the voiding of warranty; I understand Dinan cover's where the manufac. left off regarding their parts - so that's assuring.

I went into the BMW world knowing I would need to pay more. It's taken me a little longer to realize you truly get what you pay for. Truth be told, as I'm scanning your work, it's pretty intimidating. You seem to know the car very well. Hopefully with time on this forum I can learn some of the tricks.

I already know about some small oil leaks around 60-80k (according to a very well respected BMW shop) and I heard something about the knockers? Or rockers? Forgive my ignorance. But regardless, I figured warranty or not, as long as you take care of the machine it will run just fine. I'm excited to learn about the car and it's possibilities.

Thanks again for your helpful advice, this is helping me wrap my mind around everything. It's almost like the Mugen for Honda of BMW it seems. Good stuff. Do you have any other write ups or anything? A blog? Would be awesome to follow more stuff going on.

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I'm not familiar with Dinan, but my impression of them is that people use their stuff to mod if they want to keep their warranties intact. Most mods can void any warranties that are still in place. If the car is out of warranty, then it becomes a non-issue.
Yeah, I've read that, too. I'm scheduled to go back to the dealership to get two new tires, I plan on asking a few more questions about their warranty. They offer Easy Care Total Care, so I need to research that a little bit this weekend.

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Old 03-16-2013, 10:32 PM
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How about Bilstein? As corny as it sounds, I want to stay as German or Euro as possible.

Truth be told, as I'm scanning your work, it's pretty intimidating. You seem to know the car very well. Hopefully with time on this forum I can learn some of the tricks.

Koni's are legendary - you won't be sorry with Yellows.

OTOH, a very cost effective way to obtain good handling and smooth the road: Koni FSD's. Read all about 'em - many many posts on the net. Designed for stock springs but BMW Performance springs will take FSD's up a notch.

Suspension work isn't as intimidating as it seems - common sense rules. My post was intended to be a companion to all parts of common suspension upgrades and as you're doing the work, it's my hope that it makes perfect sense. Hey, use your noggin - you'll do fine.

You'll notice I didn't install the LSD - here's why - suspension parts are far less intense. Easy in fact once you get beyond it being unfamiliar.

Your 328i can be made to go around a corner with unbelievable grip yet in relative comfort. Not a Porsche! But can be at M level.

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Old 03-17-2013, 09:28 AM
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CALWATERBOY - Thanks! I'll do some research into Koni at work tomorrow ;-) You know what's funny, I've noticed that the BMW DIYers write ups are so much more detailed and professional than any other forum/car community I've been apart of. I envy that garage! I hate having a parking pad :| My buddy and I were debating over a 1 series, those are some sweet rides.

I'm actually a grandma driver for the most part, but here in GA we have some decent twisties and there's nothing better than the fresh air and gripping corners in the spring - a great stress reliever!

SilverX3 - Yup, it was washed the day I got it, but it looks like my phone camera is grainy and we have early yellow pollen down here. It loves to stick to the wax on a car. Do you have the same wheels? I'm loving these mesh type style, looks amazing on the car body.

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Nice color, nice wheels. Mine is blue with the same wheels.

Be sure to remove, wash and check those style 197s for cracks. Both my fronts had large cracks at ~10K miles: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=663824

If you don't have tools and are near NPoint Mall any evening soon ping me and I'll do it for you (only in the next two weeks while I am still off work)

As an only car I'd likely put quality coil-overs on, and that'd be it. The best way to find noticeable extra hp in 328i is to trade to a 335i.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:53 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. I actually had the car checked out at another dealership top to bottom. They did not indicate any problems. Did the warranty cover your wheels?

Yeah, i saw the 335i comments all over, but speed is not my top priority, just a go-kart like handling car Like your other car
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Thanks for the heads up. I actually had the car checked out at another dealership top to bottom. They did not indicate any problems. Did the warranty cover your wheels?

Yeah, i saw the 335i comments all over, but speed is not my top priority, just a go-kart like handling car Like your other car
Local dealer was unable to assist with the cracked wheels. It's only my list to call BMW NA. BMW dealerships tend to be a bit useless with warranty issues in my experience About 50% of issues with this car I had to fix myself.. this week I finally adjusted the parking brake and it now holds in neutral on inclines. Dealer said they had adjusted it but I could tell no difference + it still rolled back on inclines.

It's doubtful anyone took off your wheels and washed to check for cracks. Easy to tell by shining a flashlight in there. If they are dirty no one cleaned to look for cracks. Worst case with the wheels is buy new ones and fronts are under $300 each so no huge deal - still the warranty should cover it IMO as there is no damage to either wheel from a pothole impact.
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You know what's funny, I've noticed that the BMW DIYers write ups are so much more detailed and professional than any other forum/car community I've been apart of.

Partly the result of an able customer base purchasing a car that, well, might be suited for Hooligans; there're many professionals and others w/somethin' on the ball here.

And, this is a car that greatly benefits from mods. You won't find this level of involvement in a 5 or 7. Porsche has a lively clientele....but it's Jeep Wrangler pilots who have a truly massive library of mods & DIY episodes. Hey, it's DIY up on the Rubicon, or don't do it at all. Check what a rubicon is, and the Rubicon Trail....yup....


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MP3_E46 - Thanks for the heads up. I plan a full detail this up coming weekend, I plan on looking over each wheel very carefully. PS, do you ever make it out to the ATL Varsity meetups?

CALWATERBOY - Understood, yeah, not wanting Porsche material. Just a nice luxury ride with some handling that sets me apart from all the other 3's out there ;-) My own little added tasted. I was actually surprised to see the aftermarket as supportive as the Japanese cars ;-)

Looking into Koni stuff today, hopefully I can have a nice upgrade or two here soon.

They don't appear to have sway/roll bars - appears shocks.

I'm going to price out anti sway bars (upper lower/front rear) as my first priority - any advice on something similar to this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ei...bmw/model/328i

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I'm going to price out anti sway bars (upper lower/front rear) as my first priority - any advice on something similar to this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ei...bmw/model/328i

You're smart to buy M parts, designed by BMW for your car and widely available. I bought mine at HP Autowerks.

But you're dumb to install a beefy rear sway without a limited slip differential. If you do, your rear will misbehave.

Overall, LSD is a most impressive mod, followed by coilovers and M parts. Those stock rear subframe bushings.....a socialist plot to sap the vitality of American Manhood!
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You're smart to buy M parts, designed by BMW for your car and widely available. I bought mine at HP Autowerks.

But you're dumb to install a beefy rear sway without a limited slip differential. If you do, your rear will misbehave.

Overall, LSD is a most impressive mod, followed by coilovers and M parts. Those stock rear subframe bushings.....a socialist plot to sap the vitality of American Manhood!
Ah, perfect. Dumb is one thing I can never deny to be, especially being so new to a new car. Thanks again, man.

Oh, I should take off my Obama 2012 sticker before posting pictures of my car, huh?
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Nah, almost made it to the meetup of some guys on here last week as it we ~three miles away. Didn't make that either

Anti sway bars are LSD are likely ok mods too. My MX-5 needs an LSD but I hear they can make the car hard to handle in the wet so am waiting until I am really ready for it.
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Ah, perfect. Dumb is one thing I can never deny to be, especially being so new to a new car. Thanks again, man.

Oh, I should take off my Obama 2012 sticker before posting pictures of my car, huh?

Indeed yes, and most carefully! Preserve the adhesive and please, do not tear the paper as you remove the political stigmata from your fine BMW.

Affix Obama to any random Audi. You'll find that car much improved, Obama evil clown grin. Very chic.
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Indeed yes, and most carefully! Preserve the adhesive and please, do not tear the paper as you remove the political stigmata from your fine BMW.

Affix Obama to any random Audi. You'll find that car much improved, Obama evil clown grin. Very chic.


*grins*
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Congratulations on your new BMW...and welcome to the forum! Do a lot of research before jumping into "modding" too quickly...you've got a great car as it is!
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Yes & the sooner the better. Personally I think they suit the Prius pretty well.
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