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Yea, because the 1M was so a POS.
It's nice you count it, but I don't

It was also a tiny two door coupe vs. an AWD(if optioned) 4door sedan...

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So you're ok with an X5M, but look down on an E30 M3?
Yes., but I wasn't even alive when the E30 was out lol not sure how thats comparable but FYI 31k in 1987 is the equivalent of 63k adjusted for inflation.

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It's nice you count it, but I don't

It was also a tiny two door coupe vs. an AWD 4door sedan...



Yes., but I wasn't even alive when the E30 was out lol not sure how thats comparable but FYI 31k in 1987 is the equivalent of 63k adjusted for inflation.

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http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

CLA's wheelbase is 106", the 1M is 105". They are very similar in size, the CLA just has huge overhands front and rear.

And your inflation figures are very misleading, it would show a 1988 325iX costing the equivalent of $67k today. Don't trust government inflation figures, they're intentionally designed to hide today's inflation.
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CLA's wheelbase is 106", the 1M is 105". They are very similar in size, the CLA just has huge overhands front and rear.

And your inflation figures are very misleading, it would show a 1988 325iX costing the equivalent of $67k today. Don't trust government inflation figures, they're intentionally designed to hide today's inflation.
Regardless of where it sits in the 60k range adjusted for inflation it makes what you said 1000% misleading as it clearly seemed like you tried to imply the m3 at the time would be the equivalent of a Hyundai Santa Fe Sport or Ford C-Max which I think we both know is absurd.
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Regardless of where it sits in the 60k range adjusted for inflation it makes what you said 1000% misleading as it clearly seemed like you tried to imply the m3 at the time would be the equivalent of a Hyundai Santa Fe Sport or Ford C-Max which I think we both know is absurd.
E30 M3 was cheaper than a base 325i vert, it was not an expensive car.
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E30 M3 was cheaper than a base 325i vert, it was not an expensive car.
And a 335is vert is 700 more than an m3 coupe

Verts always = more $
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And a 335is vert is 700 more than an m3 coupe

Verts always = more $
335i convertible = $53,800
M3 coupe = $60,100

not even close. In fact the M3 barely meets your $60k requirement. Is that not a real M car? Give it a rest, you made a stupid point.
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not even close.
IS..

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In fact the M3 barely meets your $60k requirement. Is that not a real M car? Give it a rest, you made a stupid point.
I also doubt most M3 drivers would want to see the greatness of that car and legendary status that it possesses being cross shopped with a volvo s60/ cadi ats/ C250 coupe (please don't make me have to pull up links that those cars to prove once again where they fall in pricing ) just so their brand can make big piles of money.

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IS..

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I also doubt most M3 drivers would want to see the greatness of that car and legendary status that it possesses being cross shopped with a volvo s60/ cadi ats/ C250 coupe (please don't make me have to pull up links that those cars to prove once again where they fall in pricing ) just so their brand can make big piles of money.
is convertible didn't exist on the E30, meaningless comparison.

I think your point was a real M car should be $60k plus. Even the M3 barely beats that by 100 bucks. And the 1M coupe was way below that, and is not only a legit M car, it's one of the best ever.

I have no idea why you're talking about C250s and S60s. If your point is the AMG is based on a cheap car, have you priced a 320i recently?
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is convertible didn't exist on the E30, meaningless comparison.
I'd be mad too if I read it wrong There also weren't 35i's (not to again be confused with IS), which would make your counter to prove me wrong moot as well.

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I think your point was a real M car should be $60k plus. Even the M3 barely beats that by 100 bucks.
Nobody buys an empty M3... I mean I guess some people who stretch to get into the car do, or freak out about having to repair tech. The point was not to lessen the status they worked so hard to attain with that division simply to move product. There is a reason people stick M badges on 7/5/3 series and AMG badges on C300s, S500s exc. who will need to do that when they just keep making cheaper and cheaper versions.

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And the 1M coupe was way below that, and is not only a legit M car, it's one of the best ever.
Again tiny coupe [with very little option wise] vs. sedan. If I had been shopping for a z8 I had a longer production run to buy, but I digress I wouldn't shop for one if it was 25k or 125k.
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Could not care less about the looks. If it drives great, I'll be interested. My F30 seems huge and bland, so this could be a nice change. Sadly, the 2.0 turbo probably sounds like the F30 and VW 2.0Ts - an angry sewing machine.
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I'd be mad too if I read it wrong There also weren't 35i's (not to again be confused with IS), which would make your counter to prove me wrong moot as well.

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Nobody buys an empty M3... I mean I guess some people who stretch to get into the car do, or freak out about having to repair tech. The point was not to lessen the status they worked so hard to attain with that division simply to move product. There is a reason people stick M badges on 7/5/3 series and AMG badges on C300s, S500s exc. who will need to do that when they just keep making cheaper and cheaper versions.



Again tiny coupe [with very little option wise] vs. sedan. If I had been shopping for a z8 I had a longer production run to buy, but I digress I wouldn't shop for one if it was 25k or 125k.
We're just on different pages. To me, an M SUV lessons the division, no matter how expensive, while a 1M gets the division back to its roots, like the E30.

I agree they shouldn't make cheaper versions to move product, nor should they make SUVs and luxobarges to move product. They should make amazing driving cars. Jury's still out on the CLA of course.
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Again tiny coupe [with very little option wise] vs. sedan. If I had been shopping for a z8 I had a longer production run to buy, but I digress I wouldn't shop for one if it was 25k or 125k.
You're not making sense, are you saying the CLA scares you cause it's a sedan like you want, but not expensive enough for you? 1M doesn't scare you cause it's too small for you? That's kinda lame.
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not even close. In fact the m3 barely meets your $60k requirement. Is that not a real m car? give it a rest, you made a stupid point.
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My only comment to MB... Way to take a s* on the AMG brand. I really hope ///M never sells a car for under 60k.
If CLA45 AMG is considered s*, I truly wish AMG will have diarrhea often.

* 355 horsepower, 332 lb-ft of torque, 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds

* New, fully-variable performance-oriented AMG 4MATIC all-wheel-drive system

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And? Lol stock n54s were being tested in the 4.5s.... And if you want to bring up well it's a 4cyl bms already is under 5 with stage 1 on the n20 for than $400

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You're not making sense, are you saying the CLA scares you cause it's a sedan like you want, but not expensive enough
I'm making plenty of sense you're just still having trouble like between an I & is. I'm saying comparing a tiny coupes price to an awd sedan is like comparing the 1m to a sport bike they are in two different classes. Everything else you said is irrelevant as you just were able to understand what I said in the post #62

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I'm saying comparing a tiny coupes price to an awd sedan is like comparing the 1m to a sport bike they are in two different classes.
now you're just talking nonsense.
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now you're just talking nonsense.
Lol take a step back and process. Re-read. My post says that would be an absurd comparison. Just read it a few times. Remember just like before a 335i is not a 335is.
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And? Lol stock n54s were being tested in the 4.5s.... And if you want to bring up well it's a 4cyl bms already is under 5 with stage 1 on the n20 for than $400
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LOL indeed. But you are comparing apples to oranges - 4 banger vs. I-6. It's techno marvel to get 335 hp from OEM 4 pots.
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LOL indeed. But you are comparing apples to oranges - 4 banger vs. I-6. It's techno marvel to get 335 hp from OEM 4 pots.
Lol knew it.


terry is getting 280+ and 318 out of the n20 rofl and those aren't crank numbers like the AMG

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If you can read HERE that people contemplate AWD in places like California because they are safe in heavy rain, that's all you need to know. General public will buy them without knowing that they have AWD or simply buy it from dealer's inventory because the price was something they can accept. No matter they live in Phoenix. It will be like ABS ... you never really need it but that one occasion when you do need it, you better have it. I don't need 7 seats in my vehicle - however, if I ever need it, I better have it. And so on ... Sounds familiar?

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Also, 12 years is a very very long time in the car industry. So I am not sure what that has to do with here-and-now, and comparing the Mercedes CLA AMG with the 3.
In fact, if anything this will have to go head-to-head with 2 series Gran Coupe X-drive. It has NOTHING to do with 335i X-drive, that's what C350 4matic is there for. I was just commenting on your "3 series will not be FWD" post.
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LOL indeed. But you are comparing apples to oranges - 4 banger vs. I-6. It's techno marvel to get 335 hp from OEM 4 pots.
Well, it's doing so with a crap load of boost, peaking at 26psi.

The stage 2 tune(no hardware upgrades) for the N20 on E85 nets a peak of 23psi and puts down 300whp/350 ft lbs.

26psi is nothing to sniff at.
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It's a fwd based car with haldex awd added. So is my Saab lol. It does not have the bones and architecture of a 50/50 balanced sporty platform that is then saddled with awd like other sports sedans.

Its more in line with the Golf R and awd Volvos. The Audi S3 costs less and will have a better aftermarket and looks great, nice and trim like a b5 s4.
Pretty much this. I would rather have the Golf R for much less. Also the 2 series looks very promising as well.
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Well, it's doing so with a crap load of boost, peaking at 26psi.

The stage 2 tune(no hardware upgrades) for the N20 on E85 nets a peak of 23psi and puts down 300whp/350 ft lbs.

26psi is nothing to sniff at.
Jameson, that's exactly my point - OEM 4 pots without mods. It might be a car for lease only but I won't go as far to call it "s* by AMG".

No disrespect for N20.
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