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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 04-01-2013, 08:23 PM
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$36K wasn't asking -- it was the negotiated price. That was Friday afternoon. By Saturday morning, somebody else got it.

I'm not complaining about the dealer -- I was on the fence.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:33 PM
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6K/year? How about $600/month?

Figure $36k to buy = $40k with sales tax. Amortize that figure down to $20k at 2.9% interest, and you come in >$600 month. That's for a used car.
There are a lot of assumptions built into this. How many miles would you be driving during the 3 years? If > than the standard 12K/yr for a lease, then that adds to the cost.

Keep in mind even though it's used, it will drive like, and be maintained, like new to 100K.

Do the math, compare it to leasing new for the same mileage...it will be cheaper, but not a whole lot. Otherwise, you can use this math to negotiate a better price with the dealer. The current interest rates make leasing very favorable.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:49 PM
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The only really important variable is the terminal value. It could be less or it could be more, but the point is that it the amount is entirely at the buyer's risk. In a lease, that figure is locked in.


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There are a lot of assumptions built into this. How many miles would you be driving during the 3 years? If > than the standard 12K/yr for a lease, then that adds to the cost.

Keep in mind even though it's used, it will drive like, and be maintained, like new to 100K.

Do the math, compare it to leasing new for the same mileage...it will be cheaper, but not a whole lot. Otherwise, you can use this math to negotiate a better price with the dealer. The current interest rates make leasing very favorable.
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:31 PM
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I'm going to skip my rant on how buying a non optioned out "luxury" car is a bad idea and go straight to...

If the cost of a NEW optioned out 328 is too high for you then you should buy a 1-2 years old USED optioned out 328.

In fact, either way it's a a much more financially sound decision to buy a used car anyways.
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Ten years ago, my factory-ordered E46 325i sedan, with five-speed manual and sport package, came to $29K. Last week, I traded it in for my factory-ordered F30 320i, six-speed manual, sport package, at $35K. Not bad for a decade newer, with similar hp and torque, with better fuel economy, more room for my passengers, bigger trunk, staggered 18-inch wheels with summer performance tires, and a 146 mph speed limit. And it's even more fun to drive! After I pass the 1200-mile engine breaking in, it'll be track time.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:24 PM
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Ten years ago, my factory-ordered E46 325i sedan, with five-speed manual and sport package, came to $29K. Last week, I traded it in for my factory-ordered F30 320i, six-speed manual, sport package, at $35K. Not bad for a decade newer, with similar hp and torque, with better fuel economy, more room for my passengers, bigger trunk, staggered 18-inch wheels with summer performance tires, and a 146 mph speed limit. And it's even more fun to drive! After I pass the 1200-mile engine breaking in, it'll be track time.
Pretty nice...congratulations. Did you test-drive a 320 before ordering?
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:37 PM
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Sort of. I test drove a 328i, automatic, not much fun. And my dealer contacted me as soon as their one 320i demo car became available, an odd duck, automatic of course, manual seats, all-wheel drive. Ok but no sport package. The sport package is wonderful!
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:40 PM
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My 2003 325i only had 150,000 miles on it. Kudos to you with over 200K! I got tired of carrying a container of oil and a container of water with me, for the last 10,000 miles, and the worry about a major breakdown, many miles from home, in the mountains, with three passengers. That's usually when I opt for a new car--or a newer version of what is now my standard car.
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How does the shifter feel compared to the one in your E46? I take it you have the short-throw shifter (based on the pictures on the BMW site), so the throws must be shorter. Does it feel as smooth?
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:21 PM
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I didn't expect an M shifter, with lovely short throws! Very different shifting, with much more of it. Gears 1-5 are pretty short, while 6 is tall. I thought I would miss the great 3rd gear range on my E46, but the new car is superb. I love shifting so it's wonderful for me: heel and toe double-clutching works just like on the E46, for those 90-degree turns, and double-clutching makes rush hour traffic almost entertaining. Mind you, I'm still in the 1200 mile breaking-in period, so no rpm above 4500; redline is 7000 rpm, higher than the E46.
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I didn't expect an M shifter, with lovely short throws! Very different shifting, with much more of it. Gears 1-5 are pretty short, while 6 is tall. I thought I would miss the great 3rd gear range on my E46, but the new car is superb. I love shifting so it's wonderful for me: heel and toe double-clutching works just like on the E46, for those 90-degree turns, and double-clutching makes rush hour traffic almost entertaining. Mind you, I'm still in the 1200 mile breaking-in period, so no rpm above 4500; redline is 7000 rpm, higher than the E46.
In comparison to M54 I6, the N26 I4 328i has flatter curves and less "power surge" feel than NA I6, although the car moves faster than the old one(with similar weight). The power band does seem to taper off around 5500 rpm(e.g. with manual mode and holding 2nd gear).
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My 2003 325i only had 150,000 miles on it. Kudos to you with over 200K! I got tired of carrying a container of oil and a container of water with me, for the last 10,000 miles, and the worry about a major breakdown, many miles from home, in the mountains, with three passengers. That's usually when I opt for a new car--or a newer version of what is now my standard car.
This brought back memories of my 2000 323i. Only made it to 120k and don't miss the days of having to carry oil and distilled water in my trunk for last year of ownership.
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This brought back memories of my 2000 323i. Only made it to 120k and don't miss the days of having to carry oil and distilled water in my trunk for last year of ownership.
Were there oil leaks or was it just burning oil? My car has had problems with the valve cover gasket, but otherwise, I hardly need 1/2 - 1 quart every 7500 miles.
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However, a thread like this is still useful for folks looking at the higher range F30s. You can get a real good idea on how to get a fantastic car and still save some $$$$$$.

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Inflation, Inflation, Inflation.

Over the past decade we have had really low inflation. Despite this essentially all of the increase in the price of a bimmer is inflation.

That $35k E46 in 2000 is the equivalent of about $47k F30 in 2013.
And you are getting a whole lot more car for that money.

The 3-series may have gotten bigger and softer and lamer but it has most definitely NOT gotten more expensive.
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And it's hard for me to buy a used bimmer since so few of them seem to be MT! The CPO's once in awhile are MT but they are so loaded up that they cost more than my brand new 320i. Just checked my dealer inventory and they have only one new car, all series, cheaper than my car and it's only by $100--and an automatic. One series cars cost more than mine.
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