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F22 / F23 2 Series (2014 - Current)
The 2 Series coupe is the replacement for the E82/E88 1 series coupe. Production starts in November 2013 on the 228i (N20) and M235i (N55) coupes. Look for them in dealerships in February 2014. The convertible F23 2 series will follow in the fall of 2014.

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2 Series Gran Coupe is being fast tracked to launch in 2015

2 Series Grand Coupe

From BMW insiders Scott26 there is news that the 2 Series Gran Coupe is being fast track to launch in 2015.

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Yes the 2 Series might be behind the CLA and the A3 Sedan. But as the 6 Series Gran Coupe showed that it can be worth the wait. The 4 Series and 2 Series Gran Coupe will not be any different. With the 2 Series Gran Coupe now fast tracked for 2015 , BMW intend to make the gran entrance in this segment, the appearance will not just be what counts. With a greater emphasis on dynamics and typical BMW character.

If you read some of the reviews of the CLA there is some ride and dynamic issues that have been picked up by the media.

BMW are pushing the Coupe to retain the benchmark for the compact segment in every way possible. The 1 Series coupe was the entry to the BMW Sport Coupe, 2 Series will be the entry to the RWD BMW with the advent of the 1er eventually switching drivetrains.

BMW are fully aware of the potential of this car and indeed the Coupe , For the current hiatus BMW see the Coupe to hold the CLA and A3 at bay until the arrival of the Gran Coupe.
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An M235i Gran Coupe => where do I sign???? I like the F30 a lot, but prefer something a little smaller, so I'm holding out for this.

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Yeah-- i'm pretty excited about it.

But don't tease us with that pic. It's perfect looking, but doesn't look close enough to the F20 1 series to be close to realiy. We can only hope that it will be that nice looking.
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Yeah-- i'm pretty excited about it.

But don't tease us with that pic. It's perfect looking, but doesn't look close enough to the F20 1 series to be close to realiy. We can only hope that it will be that nice looking.
Yeah that blue car is too damn sexy to be the real car. BMW hasn't done anything that nice looking since...well the e46 or Z8.
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Does anyone know when in 2015 for 2 series Grand Coupe? I need to order in January for a lease replacement and GC looks great!
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Does anyone know when in 2015 for 2 series Grand Coupe? I need to order in January for a lease replacement and GC looks great!
This was over a year ago...since, the 2GC seems to have been given an axe. One BMW exec said something as such... a shame. A 2GC would have been bananas.
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Timing is everything......having given up on my clear first choice of a 2GC based on that BMW Board of Directors member's comments a couple of months ago, just last week I ordered the '15MY coupe, willing to compromise on my preference for easy rear seat access! Now, this!

I guess I could flip my order to a lease vs. a buy and make the transition easier in 24 months. I've never leased before....any thoughts on the relative economic merits versus trading the coupe in at about the same two year time?

EDIT: Just reviewed Hyperzulu's comment....is this a repeat of old news, or very new news???

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Timing is everything......having given up on my clear first choice of a 2GC based on that BMW Board of Directors member's comments a couple of months ago, just last week I ordered the '15MY coupe, willing to compromise on my preference for easy rear seat access! Now, this!

I guess I could flip my order to a lease vs. a buy and make the transition easier in 24 months. I've never leased before....any thoughts on the relative economic merits versus trading the coupe in at about the same two year time?

EDIT: Just reviewed Hyperzulu's comment....is this a repeat of old news, or very new news???
This was speculation. Turned into nothing. We would have seen it by now.

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This was over a year ago...since, the 2GC seems to have been given an axe. One BMW exec said something as such... a shame. A 2GC would have been bananas.
I wouldn't put much stock in that, BMW isn't going to confirm a new model til it's official.

We haven't seen any mules yet, so it's probably 2 years away, not one, if they're making one.
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This was speculation. Turned into nothing. We would have seen it by now.
Oddly, that makes me feel much better....thanks. I will go back to squeezing my briefcase and laptop projector bag through the front door opening to the back seat once this coupe arrives!
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Oddly, that makes me feel much better....thanks. I will go back to squeezing my briefcase and laptop projector bag through the front door opening to the back seat once this coupe arrives!
Don't feel better. If you think about what the BMW official said, he claims a 2 GC would make 3 series buyers buy the smaller car.

Hmm, BMW is making FWD 1 series, 320i, a 2 series coupe - all of which seem to risk attracting buyers to downsize . . . but not a 2 GC? Which if it's like the 4 GC would be at a cost premium, and pushing $40-50k?

Makes no sense - this is just typical official denials of future products.
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The 4GC looks very useful. I love the hatch. The 228 that I will order comes in at $45K, so jumping to a 4GC is a small step up. I need a test drive in a 228 to confirm that it is lots more fun than my 428. I really do enjoy the 428.
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Oddly, that makes me feel much better....thanks. I will go back to squeezing my briefcase and laptop projector bag through the front door opening to the back seat once this coupe arrives!
Uh....the 228i and M235i both have trunks???
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Don't enjoy the thuds of stuff flying around in a trunk, especially a computer and projector! Having to tie them down each time is a pain compared to easily tucking them in the rear footwells.
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Don't feel better. If you think about what the BMW official said, he claims a 2 GC would make 3 series buyers buy the smaller car.

Hmm, BMW is making FWD 1 series, 320i, a 2 series coupe - all of which seem to risk attracting buyers to downsize . . . but not a 2 GC? Which if it's like the 4 GC would be at a cost premium, and pushing $40-50k?

Makes no sense - this is just typical official denials of future products.
I can see a logic where it does make sense. They have facilitized their plants based on the 3 Series being a high volume product. Downward substitution from a 3 to a 1 series is quite a leap, and unlikely for most. The 2 coupe forces sacrificing the rear doors, which most who consider a 3 in the first place would not accept. A 320i is still a 3, just a motor swap, so it actually helps with volume to the extent it keeps people in the brand and from defecting to a, for example, CLA. But, a 2GC would gain the most consideration from a 3 series prospect, representing lost volume for the higher margin 3 series and risking keeping 3 volume at the plant capacity for whatever work shifts have been put in place. A 2 GC margin may not be very different from a coupe, so if they can keep the 2 plant full without the GC, why add it to serve as an opportunity to have 3 prospects substitute downward?
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I can see a logic where it does make sense. They have facilitized their plants based on the 3 Series being a high volume product. Downward substitution from a 3 to a 1 series is quite a leap, and unlikely for most. The 2 coupe forces sacrificing the rear doors, which most who consider a 3 in the first place would not accept. A 320i is still a 3, just a motor swap, so it actually helps with volume to the extent it keeps people in the brand and from defecting to a, for example, CLA. But, a 2GC would gain the most consideration from a 3 series prospect, representing lost volume for the higher margin 3 series and risking keeping 3 volume at the plant capacity for whatever work shifts have been put in place. A 2 GC margin may not be very different from a coupe, so if they can keep the 2 plant full without the GC, why add it to serve as an opportunity to have 3 prospects substitute downward?
I think this is a big reach. BMW is clearly throwing every variant their minds can think of at the market. Silly to think they'll suddenly start to worry about cannibalization.
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Seems like good points on both ends. No leaks to prevent holdouts, perhaps, but why miss out on market share? BMW can just as easily lose out from 2 series prospects who want four doors but don't want the 3... as well as 3 series owners looking for something to downsize, going to Audi or MB instead.
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Seems like good points on both ends. No leaks to prevent holdouts, perhaps, but why miss out on market share? BMW can just as easily lose out from 2 series prospects who want four doors but don't want the 3... as well as 3 series owners looking for something to downsize, going to Audi or MB instead.
Much of what drives decisions is plant capacity, build mix flexibility, costs for incremental capacity, and vehicle margin. I was a Product Planner for a domestic...the logic in my earlier post represents the kind of thinking which goes on. BMW jumping into other niche segments was each based on a individual business case and what open capacity they had. A top hat (body-in-white/sheetmetal) on a common platform which can add incrementality to fill a plant is hugely profitable, even at modest volumes. Their earlier behavior won't necessarily be predictive of the outcome of a 2CG analysis.
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Much of what drives decisions is plant capacity, build mix flexibility, costs for incremental capacity, and vehicle margin. I was a Product Planner for a domestic...the logic in my earlier post represents the kind of thinking which goes on. BMW jumping into other niche segments was each based on a individual business case and what open capacity they had. A top hat (body-in-white/sheetmetal) on a common platform which can add incrementality to fill a plant is hugely profitable, even at modest volumes. Their earlier behavior won't necessarily be predictive of the outcome of a 2CG analysis.
This is probably why domestics need billion-dollar bailouts and BMW is highly profitable. They make decisions based on what would be cool to drive and own, not what's going to fill some plant full of union workers that you can't idle.
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This is probably why domestics need billion-dollar bailouts and BMW is highly profitable. They make decisions based on what would be cool to drive and own, not what's going to fill some plant full of union workers that you can't idle.
You sound angry and that may be why the point seems elusive. One domestic did not have a bailout and operates on the same principles already discussed here. All volume producers do as well. Any plant may be idled in the face of insufficient demand. This has nothing to do with unions, which exist in Europe as well. This is about profitability based on selling every unit a hugely expensive investment in a plant can produce. No high volume car company has a line item in the business case for "cool". BMW produces the cars it does to make the Quandt family a profit based on satisfying a narrow target market better than does its competitors, and failing that, the managers would soon be dismissed regardless of the "coolness" of the attempt. The actual decision-making process in large corporations may be different than you imagine.
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You sound angry and that may be why the point seems elusive. One domestic did not have a bailout and operates on the same principles already discussed here. All volume producers do as well. Any plant may be idled in the face of insufficient demand. This has nothing to do with unions, which exist in Europe as well. This is about profitability based on selling every unit a hugely expensive investment in a plant can produce. No high volume car company has a line item in the business case for "cool". BMW produces the cars it does to make the Quandt family a profit based on satisfying a narrow target market better than does its competitors, and failing that, the managers would soon be dismissed regardless of the "coolness" of the attempt. The actual decision-making process in large corporations may be different than you imagine.
Don't confuse anger for disrespect.

I disagree, BMW built a 1M cause it was cool - a parts bin car that no accountant would approve of. It was a car the BMW engineers wanted to build.

And you can't argue that BMW's huge proliferation of variants makes sense from the traditional view of maximizing output.

And BMW's entire Mini division hardly makes a profit, so clearly BMW is not as laser-focused on profit as say, GM, a company which is clearly willing to let their customers die in accidents if it maximizes profit.
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Don't confuse anger for disrespect.
It is unfortunate that this discussion has taken this tone. There is no point in continuing on this basis. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
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So will the 2 GC be announced ? Really looking forward to this and going from the 3 to the 2.

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Original post in 4/2/2013 as well as the one he references on bmwblog.com, see below, I thought I read where it was given the axe later

bmwblog.com original post same date

http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/04/02/rumor-bmw-2-series-gran-coupe-to-launch-in-2015/
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Nobody knows, we've heard conflicting things from BMW.
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