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Old 04-05-2013, 01:29 PM
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Advice on looking for a 328/335 vert

Hi.

I'm in the market for a 2007/8 328 or 335 convertible.

I'd really rather have the HP of a 335 (I'm coming from a 2000 540 the last 8 years). Looking at the EPA numbers gas milage is more or less comparable so that's not really a factor in my decision on model. Is there more stuff that breaks on the 335 than the 328? I'm thinking the turbo and associated plumbing?

In general is there anything I should know or look for in either model?

I'd like one with about 30k miles on it which seems very possible. I guess a lot of convertibles are weekend cars. Carmax is asking about $28k for such a car. What's reasonable on the private seller market?

Thanks for any advice in advance.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:48 PM
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What to look out for?
Typical 335 past issues which is HPFP problem mostly solved 10 years/ 120K miles
Turbos good to 8 years/ 82K miles
Transmissions if auto ZF 335 GM 328 many don't much like the GM automatic
Top operation make sure it operates perfectly. Car is under factory warranty?
Nothing remarkable to comment on regarding the convertible top except limited trunk space and no spare.
My fuel mileage very dependent upon the tire selection OEM Conti SSRs 28-29 mpg interstate, Michelin Pilot Sports A/A not RFTs 26-27 mpg and now Michelin Primacy MXM4 RFTs over 30 close to 31 mpg.

Sport option comes with the aux oil cooler in the right front fender liner and sport seats with 18" tires and wheels with stiffer springs and shocks/struts.

I am sure other will chip in but the 335 being a DI turbo builds carbon on the intake valves and typically need a manifold pulled and the intake valves walnut blasted around 50-70K miles.
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:09 PM
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get the 335 i did, prices are nearly the same. skip the nav unless u like the broken up dash look, i dont. make sure u get the logic 7 if u like sound. mine has all options but nav and i am really liken it...
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:09 PM
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id go 08. at least your 1 year into new engine and folding top
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:49 AM
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Thanks or the replies so far.

Intake valves blasted at 50-70k? That sounds expensive...?
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:11 AM
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Drive both if you can. These are very heavy cars. IMHO too heavy for a 328. I would not get a 328 vert with AT. With a MT it is reported (on the Fest) to be much better. In my entire life I have never spoken to anyone who regretted getting a more powerful motor. I doubt you would either. As noted, the bugs have been worked out in the HPFP, just be sure the work has been done. The walnut cleaning has been reported to run from $500-750 depending on where you go. I have not seen enough evidence to lead me to think this will be an issue with all 335's. It may be, but mileage and severity may have to do with driving style and fuel quality too. As for mpg, I have MT original tires and run E0 (that's right no ethanol) fuel. I get 22-25 mpg in suburban type driving (hitting the lights wrong kills the mpg) and 31-33 interstate at 75-80 mph in 6th gear. The e93 is a great car. N4S
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:29 AM
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yeah plan to drive both and know I will fall for the 335. As best I can tell it's only a couple grand more at that age so maybe I just need to suck it up and be done with it.

I've not seen either one of them with a stick. Was beginning to wonder if this is a chick car and I can't get it with a stick. Will look some more outside carmax.

What is HPFP?
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:16 AM
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Stick shift is tough to find on any BMW without ordering it. They just don't sell that many so they don't keep them on the lot. I would definitely not buy a 328 vert with the AT GM tranny. The car is just too heavy for a 230/200 motor. Added bonus the 300/300 numbers on the 335 are seriously under stated. Also, look for one with the sport pkg. It is a great car with out, but fantastic with sport pkg. HPFP stands for High Pressure Fuel Pump. It caused many people to have issues with all the DI motors from BMW. BMW chased their tail for, 3 or 4 years before finally coming up with a permanent fix for the problem in 2011. The problem has been fixed, just make sure the software update and new HPFP have been installed. I never had an issue, so I didn't get mine done until last Summer. It is possible the one you find could still be running strong without the work having been done. Good Luck. Let us know what you end up with. N4S
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:03 AM
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Thanks or the replies so far.

Intake valves blasted at 50-70k? That sounds expensive...?

~$600 at a dealer - but here's a definitive DIY. Not a concern for most. DIY community is a huge factor with a 3 - you should check E90POST & N54TECH

2009+ preferred for its higher reliability and better iDrive.

But here's the thing: 335i with a N54 engine has massive upgradability, easily up to 450 hp and same ft lb torque - that's a spicy meat-a ball!

328i not so much.


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Old 04-07-2013, 01:04 PM
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If the choice is between a 2008 with 30k miles or a 2009 with 50k miles, which one should i go for? I like the lower miles but it was mentioned above there are improvements in 2009+
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:54 AM
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More info please. Options? Maintenance? N4S
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:57 AM
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09 up its just nav upgrade. The lci for cab was in 10. Id go with the one with best options , condition, service..
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Budget for the 335 assuming that is what you will get and also you never mentioned if you are a DIY kind of guy or plan to use a dealer or independent to maintain the car. It would help.
HPFP issue has been solved with software to start the LPFP first then then the HPFP and a different manufacturer.
The reason you don't see many manuals is that 95% of the cars coming in are automatic so it makes it much harder to find.
The ZF auto is one of the best autos around but it does have a mechatronic sleeve which does leak on some autos.
In my over 6 years of ownership I have had one repair, glove box solenoid. The other trips to the dealer were for scheduled maintenance and the last which was the battery cable change out all covered by BMW.
Turbos are covered until 82K miles/ 8 years
HPFP to 120K miles/ 10 years.

Over all this has been a very reliable and dependable car.
However if you beat on it I do think you will see some issues regarding intake valve build ups and worn brakes, etc.
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:06 AM
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Options I need cold weather package and want sport package. What's in the premium package? Most cars seem to come with that. Budget-wise it looks like I'm going to be about $30-31k into it before taxes etc. going by what I see online.

I use an Indy to maintain the car. He's decent.

I won't be hammering on it. I enjoy the power but won't be getting into it hard on any kind of frequent schedule. It will be doing more commuting than anything else. 19 miles each way, 15 of them on I95.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:17 AM
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What's in the premium package? Most cars seem to come with that.
PDF brochures for recent years are just a quick Google search away...

First hit from http://bit.ly/10Mb57B is: http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/...tible_2008.pdf
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~$600 at a dealer - but here's a definitive DIY. Not a concern for most. DIY community is a huge factor with a 3 - you should check E90POST & N54TECH

2009+ preferred for its higher reliability and better iDrive.

But here's the thing: 335i with a N54 engine has massive upgradability, easily up to 450 hp and same ft lb torque - that's a spicy meat-a ball!

328i not so much.


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I paid 450 at an indy. I've seen as low as 250 from reputable shops with sales in other states. 300-800 is the range in my op.
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Old 04-08-2013, 03:59 PM
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PDF brochures for recent years are just a quick Google search away...

First hit from http://bit.ly/10Mb57B is: http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/...tible_2008.pdf
Oops

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Old 04-08-2013, 05:13 PM
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I bought a 2010 E93 328 for my wife in January. It is an automatic and has every option but sport. I was worried it would be under powered as it is a heavy car. It goes quite nicely, especially when the transmission is in sport mode. Performance is no where near the 335, but not a dog. Average MPGs about 26.
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328i has plenty of power IMO. Cannot remember the last time I needed anywhere near its full power... probably only ever used it on the one mountain run I took it on. It's too heavy to have much fun in but makes a decent town car to potter around in.
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I bought a 2010 E93 328 for my wife in January. It is an automatic and has every option but sport. I was worried it would be under powered as it is a heavy car. It goes quite nicely, especially when the transmission is in sport mode. Performance is no where near the 335, but not a dog. Average MPGs about 26.
How do you avg. so poorly? I'm at 22-23 right now modded out (minus dp, exhaust and upgraded turbos). I was at 26-29 in bad dc traffic prior.
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How do you avg. so poorly? I'm at 22-23 right now modded out (minus dp, exhaust and upgraded turbos). I was at 26-29 in bad dc traffic prior.
I average 18 mpg in a 328i. It does ~29 mpg on the highway which proves it runs fine. Commutes/ driving styles differ. Convertibles will be worse in traffic dues to the ridiculous amount of additional weight.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:33 AM
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I think the real answer depends on what kind of driving you do and how you will plan to use the car. I AGONIZED over this decision for a few weeks and posed the question on Bimmerfest and got lots of good feedback. (You can search previous posts). I went with the 335 eventually and when I was driving on the autobahn in Germany, the 335 felt wonderful. Upon getting it home, however, I find I struggle keeping it under the speed limits as the car just wants to fly. When I get on the interstate she shoots up to 80 pretty quickly and I have to bring her back down to limits. It is hard not to put my foot into it as she will move (although not as fast as a coupe due to 400 pounds of extra weight for the top.)

If you will do predominately city driving the 328 is more than adequate. I live in a semi rural area and I like to take mine out into the country and get up to speed, so the 335i has the extra power and is fun to drive. I like the extra power and, at least according to the EPA ratings there is no mileage penalty to go to a 335 vs. a 328. That mileage non difference was ultimately my deciding factor plus the advise of a car dealer buddy of mine that the 335 is more likely to have better resale value.

Some people also think the N52 (328) naturally aspirated engine will be less trouble than the N54/N55 (335) engine due to HPFP failures. Not sure what I think about that, but if you go with an used 335 check the history. Many of the earlier cars have had pumps and software replaced. There are lots of threads of this on the forum to educate yourself. The engine choice also limits your ability to make mods to the engine and increase horsepower. If you are looking for that, the 335 is the option to go as there are not many mods and not much upside to a 328. Stock horsepower for a 328 is 230 and 300 for the 335, so you need to judge what your priority is there.

I drove a 328 prior to purchase and at the time thought it was more than adequate, particularly if you are looking for a fun, top down cruiser. However, if you are with an aggressive driver, the 335 is probably the better go fast option.

Bottom line is that both cars at the same speed with the top down gives you a wonderful experience. I would have been happy with the 328, but would have wondered what I was missing. I don't think you can go wrong with either choice, but for me at the end of the day I am glad I went with the 335. I just have to struggle at times to drive a fast car slow.

Since you are looking at used, I would think the top priority would be condition and care. Buy the best example (either 328 or 335) that your budget will allow. Your target seller should be a little old man like me that just babies his car, only driving it in good weather.

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Thanks for this last round of discussions.

I went and test drove a 2011 328 and a 2009 335 (because that's what the local dealer had on the lot). Remember I'm coming from a 2000 540 so I'm used to lots of torque down low. I felt the 328 needed to downshift nonstop just to do mediocre passing speeds. If it wasn't in sport I felt it was a dog. The 335 also downshifted when I kicked it but then it went - a lot! Still a very different car than my 540 (obviously). Not better or worse. Just different. After the drives I definetely felt the 335 was the only choice. Getting back in my 540 reminded me how much I like driving that car. No downshifting needed, just ridiculous amount of passing speed everywhere at any speed. I didn't feel like getting a new car after that. Then last night I found a stick shift 2007 335 with just 31k miles on it at a decent price and I started going "Hmmmm" again. We'll see.

As for my driving it will be mostly commuting. It will be my primary car. We're talking a 19 mile commute with about 15 of that on I95 to and from Baltimore. Traffic is pretty good on the highway on most days but is bad in the city but only about 2 miles of that. I go about 80mph on I95 (which is a 65mph zone) so the fact that the car gets there quickly is a bonus for me

Are there any know clutch or transmission issues for the stick 2007-2009's? I know there was an issue on the E39's which was a pretty easy fix. I can't remember the details since my 540 has a slushbox.

Thanks again for all the info.

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Thanks for this last round of discussions.

I went and test drove a 2011 328 and a 2009 335 (because that's what the local dealer had on the lot). Remember I'm coming from a 2000 540 so I'm used to lots of torque down low. I felt the 328 needed to downshift nonstop just to do mediocre passing speeds. If it wasn't in sport I felt it was a dog. The 335 also downshifted when I kicked it but then it went - a lot! Still a very different car than my 540 (obviously). Not better or worse. Just different. After the drives I definetely felt the 335 was the only choice. Getting back in my 540 reminded me how much I like driving that car. No downshifting needed, just ridiculous amount of passing speed everywhere at any speed. I didn't feel like getting a new car after that. Then last night I found a stick shift 2007 335 with just 31k miles on it at a decent price and I started going "Hmmmm" again. We'll see.

As for my driving it will be mostly commuting. It will be my primary car. We're talking a 19 mile commute with about 15 of that on I95 to and from Baltimore. Traffic is pretty good on the highway on most days but is bad in the city but only about 2 miles of that. I go about 80mph on I95 (which is a 65mph zone) so the fact that the car gets there quickly is a bonus for me

Are there any know clutch or transmission issues for the stick 2007-2009's? I know there was an issue on the E39's which was a pretty easy fix. I can't remember the details since my 540 has a slushbox.

Thanks again for all the info.
lol and wait and see what happens if you spend 2-5k on mods the 335i will double its current stock whp, will be a night and day difference again
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Thanks for this last round of discussions.

I went and test drove a 2011 328 and a 2009 335 (because that's what the local dealer had on the lot). Remember I'm coming from a 2000 540 so I'm used to lots of torque down low. I felt the 328 needed to downshift nonstop just to do mediocre passing speeds. If it wasn't in sport I felt it was a dog. The 335 also downshifted when I kicked it but then it went - a lot! Still a very different car than my 540 (obviously). Not better or worse. Just different. After the drives I definetely felt the 335 was the only choice. Getting back in my 540 reminded me how much I like driving that car. No downshifting needed, just ridiculous amount of passing speed everywhere at any speed. I didn't feel like getting a new car after that. Then last night I found a stick shift 2007 335 with just 31k miles on it at a decent price and I started going "Hmmmm" again. We'll see.

As for my driving it will be mostly commuting. It will be my primary car. We're talking a 19 mile commute with about 15 of that on I95 to and from Baltimore. Traffic is pretty good on the highway on most days but is bad in the city but only about 2 miles of that. I go about 80mph on I95 (which is a 65mph zone) so the fact that the car gets there quickly is a bonus for me

Are there any know clutch or transmission issues for the stick 2007-2009's? I know there was an issue on the E39's which was a pretty easy fix. I can't remember the details since my 540 has a slushbox.

Thanks again for all the info.
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