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New 335is - initial thoughts

Received my 2013 335is Alpine White with Saddle-brown interior late on Monday evening. I waited rather inpatiently for exactly 8 weeks from the day I ordered it. The most frustrating part was when the car arrived that Thursday at the dealer, one day off the boat, and didn't have its MSO paperwork. It didn't arrive until Monday. Picked it up Monday late evening and was able to get familiar with it right away by a 120 mile drive home from the dealer.

This is my first BMW. I most recently was coming from a 2010 G37S Sedan 6MT. An excellent car which was an excellent, fun to drive 4 door.

Here are some of my thoughts after driving it for a few days:

- The exhaust is intoxicating! So much so that I tried the "golf-tee" mod through the trunk connector method and it really does provide that much more aural pleasure. There is some slight more noise in the cabin on the highway at 80mph or so with gas applied but not enough at this point to bother me. I've been having a tough time deciding to list to the exhaust or the great HK sound system!

- The clutch is a joy. Great feel, feedback and engagement. This is coming from my G37 which has a notoriously finicky clutch. Been driving manuals for 20 years (and won't give them up!) and this is the nicest clutch I've had yet. Shifter gate is pretty good but I actually preferred the shifter on the Infiniti. The Infiniti had shorter throws and a very nice mechanical feel to it. The BMW is slightly notchy and has longer throws. The standard non-sport shifters are much worse but I think for a sporty car they could be shorter.

- The steering wheel is gorgeous and comfortable. I could use a little but more steering feedback. I think this started to get worse since the e46 and now with the f30s it's non existant. The Infiniti had more feel but was much lighter. I do like the heavier weight to the BMW

- The engine and suspension are very well balanced. I'm still only at 350 miles or so so I haven't given her much above 4500 rpms yet. GOBS of torque which really makes it easy to drive stick as there's less shifting required. I had to really wind up the G37 to get the same amount of power.

- Seats are very comfortable. Great for me as I have a herniated disc that acts up from time to time.

- Stereo is superb! Definitely a step up from the Bose in the Infiniti. I've seen people post otherwise here but I cannot agree to that at all. The HK upgrade is worth it.

- The interior is quite nice. I've seen many posting reviews, etc. knocking the BMW's plain interior but the quality of parts and materials is quite nice. Very nice, actually. The F30s I checked out were awful in this regard. A real step down. Even my wife was knocking the F30s interior and immediately picked up on the poor fit and quality of parts.

- iDrive - I think I have it all figured out now. Took a couple days, definitely not the most intuitive interface. This is coming from an IT engineer. Nice looking screen, resolution. I do think the Infiniti had a better user interface.

My only regret at this point was forgoing the PDC. My Infiniti had it, along with a backup camera and I do miss both. I'm definitely going to look at third party backup camera options.

All said, very happy with my new toy! I think this along with the 135is may be some of the last of the great BMWs. Sad to see the direction of things at BMW.
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i think this along with the 135is may be some of the last of the great bmws. Sad to see the direction of things at bmw.

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That's a given and goes without saying.

What I'm trying to emphasize is there was a time not too long ago when every BMW was a pleasure to drive.
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I got mine delivered last Friday still have only 50 miles on the clock(No Time been away) I didn't opt for the HK this trip so I can enjoy that beautiful rumble!! Base not that bad at all as for the steering I've been driving Bimmers for so long I couldn't drive anything else and that includes the F30..Big time pass and yeah these babies could be the last of the great 3's so credit to you for making the move but one topic you failed to mention are those 19 incher 313 how's the ride smooth??Hard??I went 18's being in the N.East with the pot holed roads(CT.& N.Y.) Coupled with RFT's my conscience wouldn't allow!! Good luck with the auto you'll love it i'm sure.
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The F30s I checked out were awful in this regard. A real step down. Even my wife was knocking the F30s interior and immediately picked up on the poor fit and quality of parts.
I can agree with this. I also think that E92 interior isn't anything to write home about, but F30 to me just looks ... I don't know ... not serious (if that makes any sense).

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I think this along with the 135is may be some of the last of the great BMWs. Sad to see the direction of things at BMW.
Well, about that 335i or 335is ... sure, nice hefty feel in the steering wheel, nice brake feel and action, taut feel in the corners (all things F30 is sorely missing), but boy! Is it a total pig! Way too much weight there in order to just ignore it.

So, that leaves 128i or 135i(s) as possibly the last non-///M BMW that is a total hoot to drive. Yes, terribly sad state of affairs. Just wait the end of the run of the next 3-series (whatever they will call it) and then you will be just ecstatic to buy FWD (or X-drive) AT-only 3-cylinder all-new 3 series. It's only 12 years away...

OK, it might not happen, but IF BMW continues to increase the sales numbers as they've been doing the last 10 years impervious to all recessions - then, yeah, it will happen with 100% certainty. OK, 99.99999%
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I got mine delivered last Friday still have only 50 miles on the clock(No Time been away) I didn't opt for the HK this trip so I can enjoy that beautiful rumble!! Base not that bad at all as for the steering I've been driving Bimmers for so long I couldn't drive anything else and that includes the F30..Big time pass and yeah these babies could be the last of the great 3's so credit to you for making the move but one topic you failed to mention are those 19 incher 313 how's the ride smooth??Hard??I went 18's being in the N.East with the pot holed roads(CT.& N.Y.) Coupled with RFT's my conscience wouldn't allow!! Good luck with the auto you'll love it i'm sure.
Congrats to you! Hope you get the opportunity to break it in soon.

I'm in CT too but decided to gamble on the 19s. I had 18s in the previous car and was drawn to the looks of the 19s. I did opt for the wheel/tire insurance but I'm still debating whether I keep it long term.

The ride is smooth to me. No complaints whatsover. My G37S actually had a much stiffer ride and was less compliant. It had RE50As as well but of course not the run-flats.
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Well, about that 335i or 335is ... sure, nice hefty feel in the steering wheel, nice brake feel and action, taut feel in the corners (all things F30 is sorely missing), but boy! Is it a total pig! Way too much weight there in order to just ignore it.
I agree, it's a pretty heavy car. As heavy as my 4 door G37S. However I was cross shopping the S5 and S4 along with the 335is. I originally was immediately drawn to the S5 due to the styling. Never been an Audi fan but the last few years they've grown on me. They're definitely providing some good healthy competition.

However, once I test drove the S5 I quickly dismissed it. Heavy, not nimble, disconnected feeling. Then I took the S4 for a spin or two. Wow, huge improvement over the S5 for driving dynamics. The car was much more lively and tossable. Seemed much lighter than it is was with the sport differential.

Few things turned me away from it. Bland styling, fake engine noises in the cabin from a speaker located against the firewall called a "Soundaktor" or some crap... No thanks.
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Congrats to you! Hope you get the opportunity to break it in soon.

I'm in CT too but decided to gamble on the 19s. I had 18s in the previous car and was drawn to the looks of the 19s. I did opt for the wheel/tire insurance but I'm still debating whether I keep it long term.

The ride is smooth to me. No complaints whatsover. My G37S actually had a much stiffer ride and was less compliant. It had RE50As as well but of course not the run-flats.
Right about the look of those 19's it was really tempting but only way for me was to either purchase the insurance(1,600) which was a bit steep or tear off the RFT's.Glad to hear about the way they feel with no jarring complaints..Take-Care and good luck
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I agree, it's a pretty heavy car. As heavy as my 4 door G37S. However I was cross shopping the S5 and S4 along with the 335is. I originally was immediately drawn to the S5 due to the styling. Never been an Audi fan but the last few years they've grown on me. They're definitely providing some good healthy competition.

However, once I test drove the S5 I quickly dismissed it. Heavy, not nimble, disconnected feeling. Then I took the S4 for a spin or two. Wow, huge improvement over the S5 for driving dynamics. The car was much more lively and tossable. Seemed much lighter than it is was with the sport differential.

Few things turned me away from it. Bland styling, fake engine noises in the cabin from a speaker located against the firewall called a "Soundaktor" or some crap... No thanks.
We have a 2011 S4 and don't have the exhaust sound simulator. They must have added that later. I agree that the S4 is a great car, but I also really like my 335is. Good luck with yours.

I also agree that the 335is may be the last greatest non M - 3 Series. Time will tell how the upcoming M4 will compare to the current M3 in driving dynamics.
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We have a 2011 S4 and don't have the exhaust sound simulator. They must have added that later. I agree that the S4 is a great car, but I also really like my 335is. Good luck with yours.

I also agree that the 335is may be the last greatest non M - 3 Series. Time will tell how the upcoming M4 will compare to the current M3 in driving dynamics.
Yep, they added it on the 2013s. I suppose we'll be seeing more and more of this with the extra sound proofing and smaller engines. It's a shame.
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How does the 335is exhaust sound compare to a 335i with a BMW performance exhaust? I put an aftermarket exhaust on my old RS4 and suffered some really bad drone, cruising on the highway at 75 or so. Now I'm gun shy to ever buy another non-stock exhaust.
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That's a given and goes without saying.

What I'm trying to emphasize is there was a time not too long ago when every BMW was a pleasure to drive.
I'm a bit confused. Why are we saying that every BMW is not fun to drive? Is this due to the new generation of the 3 series? I recently for a '11 and it has been nothing but a pleasure.
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Could be some are just more fun to drive. R&T just went nutz over the 135is & its hard not to agree with their great choice.
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How does the 335is exhaust sound compare to a 335i with a BMW performance exhaust? I put an aftermarket exhaust on my old RS4 and suffered some really bad drone, cruising on the highway at 75 or so. Now I'm gun shy to ever buy another non-stock exhaust.
I just bought a NEW 2012 335i that already had the BMW performance exhaust on it and, I hate to even say this, but I am seriously considering offering the exhasut up in trade for a non-performance OEM system. The drone at highway speeds may be more than I bargained for. Oh, one more thing... I'm old. Almost 50.

The thing I loved about the C63 I got rid of was how beastly it sounded at startup and when you got on the throttle, but how silent it became at cruise when throttle was light. Perfect balance.

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+1 nice startup & good at WOT but quiet at cruise. The PE has less packing, no internal flap & is noisier by design.
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The thing I loved about the C63 I got rid of was how beastly it sounded at startup and when you got on the throttle, but how silent it became at cruise when throttle was light. Perfect balance
Sounds a lot like the characteristics of the 'IS exhaust, thus might be a good alternative if you want to swap out. Could probably pay for it with what you get for the PE. And yes, I agree, it has a drone sound that starts to wear one out on long trips. EU version has the flapper and probably no drone, akin to the 'IS here(has flapper/no drone).
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No drone on the highway with the 335is exhaust.
That's good to know - but does anybody know how similar the 335is exhaust is compared to the BMW Performance Exhaust for the 335i?
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Straight swap, all 3 systems have the same connections & hangers. The difference is internal to the muffler. One thing you need to check out is what they did to the flapper electronic & vacuum controls when they put the PE in. Most likely the just plugged the vacuum line & unplugged the control lead in the trunk.

The connections are all in the left rear of the car.
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I'm a bit confused. Why are we saying that every BMW is not fun to drive? Is this due to the new generation of the 3 series? I recently for a '11 and it has been nothing but a pleasure.
Wait a bit until you start driving loaner cars. Then, not everybody wants same things. I, for example, cannot possibly fathom a person saying their 550i needed Dinan mods because it was lacking the power. I don't know what to do with 320 hp (with PPK stage 1), couldn't possibly imagine why a cruise ship needs more than 400 from V8 turbo. And so on ...

But, by the same token, people idolizing F10 driving dynamics would not be caught dead in the 1 series. That's why BMW has so many models. It's something for everybody. But, yeah, don't expect ALL BMW to drive as you THINK they should drive. They won't.
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Received my 2013 335is Alpine White with Saddle-brown interior late on Monday evening. I waited rather inpatiently for exactly 8 weeks from the day I ordered it. The most frustrating part was when the car arrived that Thursday at the dealer, one day off the boat, and didn't have its MSO paperwork. It didn't arrive until Monday. Picked it up Monday late evening and was able to get familiar with it right away by a 120 mile drive home from the dealer.

This is my first BMW. I most recently was coming from a 2010 G37S Sedan 6MT. An excellent car which was an excellent, fun to drive 4 door.

Here are some of my thoughts after driving it for a few days:

- The exhaust is intoxicating! So much so that I tried the "golf-tee" mod through the trunk connector method and it really does provide that much more aural pleasure. There is some slight more noise in the cabin on the highway at 80mph or so with gas applied but not enough at this point to bother me. I've been having a tough time deciding to list to the exhaust or the great HK sound system!

- The clutch is a joy. Great feel, feedback and engagement. This is coming from my G37 which has a notoriously finicky clutch. Been driving manuals for 20 years (and won't give them up!) and this is the nicest clutch I've had yet. Shifter gate is pretty good but I actually preferred the shifter on the Infiniti. The Infiniti had shorter throws and a very nice mechanical feel to it. The BMW is slightly notchy and has longer throws. The standard non-sport shifters are much worse but I think for a sporty car they could be shorter.

- The steering wheel is gorgeous and comfortable. I could use a little but more steering feedback. I think this started to get worse since the e46 and now with the f30s it's non existant. The Infiniti had more feel but was much lighter. I do like the heavier weight to the BMW

- The engine and suspension are very well balanced. I'm still only at 350 miles or so so I haven't given her much above 4500 rpms yet. GOBS of torque which really makes it easy to drive stick as there's less shifting required. I had to really wind up the G37 to get the same amount of power.

- Seats are very comfortable. Great for me as I have a herniated disc that acts up from time to time.

- Stereo is superb! Definitely a step up from the Bose in the Infiniti. I've seen people post otherwise here but I cannot agree to that at all. The HK upgrade is worth it.

- The interior is quite nice. I've seen many posting reviews, etc. knocking the BMW's plain interior but the quality of parts and materials is quite nice. Very nice, actually. The F30s I checked out were awful in this regard. A real step down. Even my wife was knocking the F30s interior and immediately picked up on the poor fit and quality of parts.

- iDrive - I think I have it all figured out now. Took a couple days, definitely not the most intuitive interface. This is coming from an IT engineer. Nice looking screen, resolution. I do think the Infiniti had a better user interface.

My only regret at this point was forgoing the PDC. My Infiniti had it, along with a backup camera and I do miss both. I'm definitely going to look at third party backup camera options.

All said, very happy with my new toy! I think this along with the 135is may be some of the last of the great BMWs. Sad to see the direction of things at BMW.
Well you are really in for a treat with the "is". As these get broken in, they sound better and run stronger. I am at 21k miles now, and it cetainly exceeds my expectations. I can only imagine the improvements to the car with a "tune" and some suspension / wheel / tire tweaks. Definately a strong platform to build on...

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Old 04-08-2013, 08:59 PM
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Mein Auto: 2012 335i M-Sport
I'll trade my brand new BMW performance exhaust (from my NEW 2012 335i coupe bought on March 28th) for a very very lightly used 335is exhaust if anyone needs a more beastly note. I think I'm too old for this PE.
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