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Old 04-06-2013, 03:26 PM
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16 or 17" Snow Wheels for 328 E93

Just recently bought a 2008 328i and is looking around for a snow tires... Read on tirerack it is recommend to have a small wheel which helps to cut through the snow better... Wondering what is the experience on the forum...
Also any recommendation on what winter tires?

Note i previously drive a 4 wheel drive and had all seasons so never had experience getting snow tires....
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Old 04-06-2013, 03:36 PM
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16" wheels in as narrow a size as will keep your load range the same, say 205-55/16. Wider snow tires on a BMW tend to tramline. As to type, I've had great performance with Blizzak WS series tires.

Kind of late in the year to be looking for snow tires, though. Took mine off 2 weeks ago.
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Old 04-06-2013, 04:40 PM
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Make sure the wheels will fit over your brakes. The 335's generally need 17"+ wheels, and even then, some don't fit. I assume the 328 has smaller brakes but better be safe than sorry
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:07 PM
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16s will fit in the 328i, but looking back, I'd get 17s in 225 width, not the 205, if you care about cosmetic appearance.

The 205 width wheels sink way too deep in the wheel well and look highly unattractive even though they come with spacers. It was fine at first but a few winters later, it kinda bothered me a bit. Personally, I will get OEM wheels in original spec next time around.

Just my experience. Think it through.
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:02 PM
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I got the tire rack 16 inch 205 winter tires (Dunlop 3D something or other) and they actually looked reasonble on my 328 CiC... Got a complement from a passerby in fact... I figure, you only have to look at them for a few months, and then you can have your nice rims again...
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16s will fit in the 328i, but looking back, I'd get 17s in 225 width, not the 205, if you care about cosmetic appearance.

The 205 width wheels sink way too deep in the wheel well and look highly unattractive even though they come with spacers. It was fine at first but a few winters later, it kinda bothered me a bit. Personally, I will get OEM wheels in original spec next time around.

Just my experience. Think it through.
Let's think this through from the other side: the OP is getting Winter Tires, because he cars about PERFORMANCE IN THE SNOW. The best snow performance is the narrowest tires possible - 205/55R16 or 205/50R17. Why should he care about COSMETICS? If he does, then he could just leave his summer rubber and wheels on.

I'm sorry, but your reasoning is really dumb.
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:16 PM
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Let's think this through from the other side: the OP is getting Winter Tires, because he cars about PERFORMANCE IN THE SNOW. The best snow performance is the narrowest tires possible - 205/55R16 or 205/50R17. Why should he care about COSMETICS? If he does, then he could just leave his summer rubber and wheels on.

I'm sorry, but your reasoning is really dumb.
First off, there's absolutely no reason to call anyone names around here. By default I try to show folks respect, I wish you'd do the same and engage in some civil dialogue.

Moving on...

Yes, we've all heard this before: the "Wide tires tend to "float" on deep snow, and the tread lugs never have a chance to "dig" through to the road surface to gain traction. Narrow tires are a better option in deep snow. The tire acts similarly to a knife cutting through butter; the blade works best when using the narrow edge to push through..."

Most experts offer this is an anecdote, but where is the actual outcomes and safety data and evidence on the wide vs narrow debate? Accident rates? Fatality rates? Of note, the key word here is "deep snow". Unless you live in the Himalayas, I really doubt that the difference would matter. OEM spec wheels and narrow spec wheels are both available as options from any outlet. ON the other hand, 225 winter wheels will likely be several times safer in comparison to summers or all-seasons in cold weather. So, I don't understand your suggestion of keeping summers for cosmetics because there would be no difference ??

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Old 04-07-2013, 08:18 PM
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First off, there's absolutely no reason to call anyone names around here. By default I try to show folks respect, I wish you'd do the same and engage in some civil dialogue.
Please reread my post. I DID NOT refer to you in any denigrative way: I called your REASONING dumb.

As far as the narrow argument: (hint, this is not anectdotal)
http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/hunter...ter-conditions

And, finally, you need to learn how to recognize "sarcasm", which is what my suggestion for keeping the summer wheels on was...
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Please reread my post. I DID NOT refer to you in any denigrative way: I called your REASONING dumb.
Sure, same thing as me saying that it's not really YOU that is rude and offensive, but it is your response that was.

Not cool man. Not cool. We are just talking about tires for crying out loud. No need to need to pick a fight or inject insults.

I'm done talking to you until you apologize. Good night.

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Old 04-14-2013, 10:16 AM
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Thank you for all the suggestions! I am looking to purchase winter tires for the next winter and doing the research now.. I do not have much experience driving in the winter esp with RWD so i am more concern about performance than cosmetic...
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Most experts offer this is an anecdote, but where is the actual outcomes and safety data and evidence on the wide vs narrow debate? Accident rates? Fatality rates? Of note, the key word here is "deep snow". Unless you live in the Himalayas, I really doubt that the difference would matter. OEM spec wheels and narrow spec wheels are both available as options from any outlet. ON the other hand, 225 winter wheels will likely be several times safer in comparison to summers or all-seasons in cold weather. So, I don't understand your suggestion of keeping summers for cosmetics because there would be no difference ??
Realizing that the plural of 'anecdote' is not data, I'll offer up my own experience.

I moved from an AWD Passat to an AWD 335. I gave the Passat to my daughter, along with a set of 195cm Blizzak WS-60 tires for use during the winter. I put 225cm Blizzak WS-60 tires on my 335.

The BMW was 5 years newer than the Passat and carried the full 2009 stability package, as opposed to the 2004 ABS-only package on the Passat. The first winter I owned the BMW, I took both cars out in the same storm, with a few inches of slushy crud on the road, before the plows were really out and about.

The Passat could run rings around the BMW, even with the extra stability nannies on the newer car. Biggest problem on the BMW was tramlining. Both cars were fine for getting going and stopping. The Passat with the thinner tires handled much better. A contemporaneous report is here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=418168


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I love, love, love my winter tires. I have 16" 205/55 Dunlop Winter Sport. They ride great and they do very well on snow. A few times it was just me and the SUVs out driving.
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Realizing that the plural of 'anecdote' is not data, I'll offer up my own experience.

I moved from an AWD Passat to an AWD 335. I gave the Passat to my daughter, along with a set of 195cm Blizzak WS-60 tires for use during the winter. I put 225cm Blizzak WS-60 tires on my 335.

The BMW was 5 years newer than the Passat and carried the full 2009 stability package, as opposed to the 2004 ABS-only package on the Passat. The first winter I owned the BMW, I took both cars out in the same storm, with a few inches of slushy crud on the road, before the plows were really out and about.

The Passat could run rings around the BMW, even with the extra stability nannies on the newer car. Biggest problem on the BMW was tramlining. Both cars were fine for getting going and stopping. The Passat with the thinner tires handled much better. A contemporaneous report is here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=418168


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Great post and good discussion in that linked thread. My favorite post in there is Emission's, who pointed out that the VW had 60/40 weight distribution and FWD, which might have been an advantage. Theoretically, the deep snow conditions you described were perfect for the narrow set up. I'll be curious to see the results of a wide vs narrow performance comparo on identical vehicles -- and not just on deep snow, but on various wintry conditions. e.g. How about icy conditions? Dry cold pavement? Will the larger "contact patch" of a wider tire offer a performance advantage on those instances? There are obviously no smoking-gun answers to these questions yet.

At any rate, my performance demands or at least for most of us, are in the daily driving conditions of a run-of-the mill winter, not trans-Siberian rally conditions.

That said, I myself followed the expert opinion and have carefully followed the bimmerfest pledge of allegiance to go RWD on a naturally aspirated engine, use premium gas, narrow snow tires (I have used 205s for past 3 winters), demand the return of the dipstick and flashlight, etc. LOL, but at some point, I think it reasonable to rethink and rechallenge our sacred "mantra" every now and then, no? Overall, I appreciate the civil response George.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:40 PM
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I put 225/45 17" Michelin Alpine PA3 snow tires on my E93 through the winter, and they worked pretty well. RWD cars are slower to get going in the snow than AWDs, but you shouldn't have any problems.
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Great post and good discussion in that linked thread. My favorite post in there is Emission's, who pointed out that the VW had 60/40 weight distribution and FWD, which might have been an advantage. Theoretically, the deep snow conditions you described were perfect for the narrow set up. I'll be curious to see the results of a wide vs narrow performance comparo on identical vehicles -- and not just on deep snow, but on various wintry conditions. e.g. How about icy conditions? Dry cold pavement? Will the larger "contact patch" of a wider tire offer a performance advantage on those instances? There are obviously no smoking-gun answers to these questions yet.

At any rate, my performance demands or at least for most of us, are in the daily driving conditions of a run-of-the mill winter, not trans-Siberian rally conditions.

That said, I myself followed the expert opinion and have carefully followed the bimmerfest pledge of allegiance to go RWD on a naturally aspirated engine, use premium gas, narrow snow tires (I have used 205s for past 3 winters), demand the return of the dipstick and flashlight, etc. LOL, but at some point, I think it reasonable to rethink and rechallenge our sacred "mantra" every now and then, no? Overall, I appreciate the civil response George.
Ah, but where's the fun in being civil?

Only thing Emission missed is that my Passat was AWD, as opposed to FWD. The weight distribution issue is spot on, however.

So many opinions. So little real data. So many great experiments we could run if we had unlimited time and money!
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I'd go with the 16's if they'll fit just for durability's sake. I averaged a bent wheel and ruined tire per year when I was running 17's, and I was being careful. Two years in with the 16" set I put together (on OEM wheels this time, too) and they've required no repairs.

I had high-performance winter tires both times -- the 17's were Dunlop Wintersport 3D and the 16's are Michelin Pilot Alpin PA3 XL -- and honestly, neither got me going from a stop in the snow all that well, but once underway, both seemed to handle just fine. The Michelins have been smoother and quieter, though if it's windy out I seem to get blown all over the road.

By the way, as for the narrower vs wider tire debate, if you watch what the people who do residential plowing with their pickup trucks use, I don't think you'll see a lot of wide tires.

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16" Winter tires/wheels

I've always run the smallest and narrowest tire/wheel combination that's still correct for my fittment. Make sure the snows are on all four corners. Smaller diameter tires have a higher sidewall which provides more cushion/protection for your rims from potholes. Another advantage is that smaller tires/wheels are less expensive.

Current: E92 - 16" Blizzak's
Past: E39 - 15" Blizzak's; E34 - 15" Blizzak's

In past ice gymkhana's (autocross on ice) I've placed 1st or 2nd. Blizzak's are excellent.

I only put on my winter shoes when going skiing or if there is snow on the roads. Afterwards I take them off. Yesterday we had over 12 inches in Denver.

My summer 18's look much better than my 16's for winter but the 18's won't move the car in 1mm of snow!
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