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Old 04-08-2013, 07:13 PM
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I had an F30, not an F10 but I'll throw my 2 pennies in anyway. I thought the F30 seats were very comfortable, but after long drives i would have some lower back pain, and left leg pain. I have an E90 M3 now, and I'm not sure the M3 seats are more comfortable, maybe about the same, though not as adjustable (side bolster adjustment in F30 was great). However, I don't have pain after driving the M3 after long drives. (Vibration like I chopped down a redwood with a chainsaw, a little, but no pain) Both seats are essentially in the same position I like to drive in. (Low as it can go, seat back reclined, thigh rest fully out, no lumbar support engaged) I'm 5' 11 230.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:19 PM
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jfox, you know that the M3 has adjustable side bolsters, right? I think they are superb.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:53 PM
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i got the same problem moving from an Audi A4 B8, i always travel from MD to Canada to visit family and friends, no problem at all with my old Audi, but get lower back pain with the F10
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I feel these are the best seats I've sat in. And I have the base Dakota seats.

I'm 6'4 so maybe it's formatted better for taller people?
Some of the forum members will swear by the multi-contour seats to their dying day, saying the standard seats are trash. Actually, IMO, when I looked at the F10's initially, it appeared to me the two seat types were closer than ever, and though I didn't play with all the controls of the multi-contours, there wasn't much difference in basic feel of the seats. The standard seats are quite supportive and well designed, IMO. Far superior to your average car, certainly not comparable whatsoever to a Honda Accord.
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:42 PM
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Far superior to your average car, certainly not comparable whatsoever to a Honda Accord.
From a feature perspective, correct.

From a comfort perspective, they are pretty darn close.
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I'm a big guy and have been prone to back issues, but I found the F10's multicontour seats to be quite comfortable, even on my 2,400 mile road trip. I also found them to be more comfortable than the sport seats in my 335d or the multicontour seats in the X5M. The 20-way seats on the 650 have similar feel, just a bit less width and cushioning.
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So now I'm wondering if they aren't so comfortable for little guys like me (5' 6"). Everyone here who is big (e.g. 6' +) finds them comfortable?
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Some of the forum members will swear by the multi-contour seats to their dying day, saying the standard seats are trash. Actually, IMO, when I looked at the F10's initially, it appeared to me the two seat types were closer than ever, and though I didn't play with all the controls of the multi-contours, there wasn't much difference in basic feel of the seats. The standard seats are quite supportive and well designed, IMO. Far superior to your average car, certainly not comparable whatsoever to a Honda Accord.
I agree. Coming out of a newer E-Class, one of the first things I noticed about my F10 was how insanely comfortable I found the seats to be. My friend who has a newer W212 E Class and has an Acura TL with Leather seats sat in my new F10 and immediately his face went into this sublimely-blissed-out expression while he expressed how comfortable the seats are. He's 6'2 as well. Seems the seats maybe fit best for taller people?
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:10 AM
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Way to go BMW, build a car to target the rapidly expanding chinese market and make the seat comfy for 6'2 / 200 lbs and up...
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:00 AM
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LOL.

Actually one of the reasons I came to BMW from Mercedes is because it seems they (BMW) build their cars for taller people, in comparison. M-B with their historically large "boats" seem make cars for shorter (than "taller") people, and I say this because at 6'4 I can't fit in a CLS or HUGE CL without having to kink my neck, it's utterly annoying and ridiculous considering I'm not Shaq or anything. Even my E-Class didn't have adequate headroom for me (I always put seats as far down as I could), as I had to slouch to not rub too much against the headliner. In an accident situation I was worried it would be way too unsafe. An SLS? Pfft, I can't even get IN the thing, such lousy headroom. It doesn't help that M-B have a very upright, "mature" seating position which makes it awkward when putting the backrest back. BMW have a sportier, "Coupier", simply "sexier" seating position in even their sedans, where it's angled in a way where rolling the backrest back if needed makes sense and "works".

BMW in comparison even give me pretty decent heaadroom in their Coupes, like the 6 and 6GC. My F10 felt WAY more fit for me than my E-Class did, where I always felt I was in a car designed for shorter people.
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:46 AM
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I have multi contour seats, I'm 5' 11" 195lbs and find the seats comfortable.
You can use the multi contour seats to support more of your upper weight against the backrest, then the seat should be set so the your thighs are equally supported along the length, not significantly tilted towards your bum. If you fully utilize the lumbar support you will just redistribute your upper body weight to a section of your lower back that is not adapted to accept that pressure for extended periods. So in general, when you are adjusting your seats think of it as minimizing the weight towards your lower back/bum versus feeling the most comfortable at that moment in time. Just my 2 cents...
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:09 AM
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I'm 5'10" 155lbs with the MCS and these are the most comfortable seats i've ever sat in.

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Old 04-09-2013, 11:50 AM
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My E60 had comfort seats and both my wife and I loved them.
My F10 has standard seats and they are inferior in every way. My wife used to get hip pain after an hour in the F10 but she eventually found a comfortable position (absolutely flat bottom, upright back)
I don't have the lumbar inflated at all and also have the seat fairly flat (unlike my tilted E60 seats).
All I can suggest is to keep trying to find your own sweet-spot.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:29 PM
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This thread is interesting and timely for me.

Last week I completed a 400 mi r/t road trip, and towards the end, I noticed I was feeling very good after the long journey. No fatigue and no pain.

I used to do the same trip in my E60, and I'd start to have a sore back at the end.

As much as I wanted to hate the F10 seats, because they lack the bolsters found on the E60, I think I have to reluctantly prefer the F10 seats since I lacked any pain.

I still miss the side bolsters, though.
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Zip ties

I recently purchased a 2013 528i. After driving the car for a few days I noticed the lumbar bag felt like it wasn't fully deflating. It actually was fully deflating, but there is a large spring behind the bag that was hitting me in the lower back. I am 5 8 and noticed others here of similar height complaining of similar issues.

The fix for me was simple. I removed the seat backs, located the horizontal spring and used zip ties to pull the spring back and anchor it to the seat frame. All of the lumbar features are still fully functional, but the spring is no longer pushing on my lower back when the lumbar is fully deflated.

I will try to post pics of the mod next weekend.
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Old 07-27-2014, 07:16 PM
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Never owned an E60.

I can tell you that I love my F10 Luxury seats. I find them to be the most comfortable car seats I've ever owned. More comfortable than the Sports Seats in my X3. I will say that I owned Acuras before moving to the BMW brand.

After a long drive I used to feel my hamstrings tighten and my back get sore- no more.

Luxury seating includes the awesome massage feature and that gentle back and forth motion improves the front seat's riders circulation. If you don't like your seats I highly recommend the Luxury Seating option for your next BMW.

Again, I can't compare the F10 to the E60.

I'm 5'11" and 190#.
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Never owned an E60.

I can tell you that I love my F10 Luxury seats. I find them to be the most comfortable car seats I've ever owned. More comfortable than the Sports Seats in my X3. I will say that I owned Acuras before moving to the BMW brand.

After a long drive I used to feel my hamstrings tighten and my back get sore- no more.

Luxury seating includes the awesome massage feature and that gentle back and forth motion improves the front seat's riders circulation. If you don't like your seats I highly recommend the Luxury Seating option for your next BMW.

Again, I can't compare the F10 to the E60.

I'm 5'11" and 190#.
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F10 seats Luxury package are the best seats I have ever experienced, and I have a herniated disk L4,5. and these seats are fantastic, and no fatigue after three or four hour driving trips.
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Previous car was an 12 Acura TL. I have the multi contour seats in my F10. I have no complaints. Only had the car for 3 weeks, put 1200 miles on it, but I can't say that the seats are uncomfortable.

I don't use the lumbar, never have in any car. But the seats are just fine for me, not anymore comfortable than the TL, not any less.

I really like the way the seat back "bends" to meet your shoulders. That's the stand out feature of the seats for me.
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I'm impressed how seemingly healthy all the posters are here. BMW and other luxury brand owners have the reputation of being Fat Cats.

Sorry, getting off topic.
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I don't notice an appreciable difference between the seats in my F10 vs. E60 (both with the multi-contours).

When I first got my E60 I could not get comfortable. That car taught me I had been driving wrong my entire life. I was sitting too far back and with too much recline. I read some articles about how race car drivers set up their seats and wound up sitting much closer to the wheel and with less recline. It took awhile to get used to it but ultimately it is a lot more comfortable and offers better steering control.

As for lumbar support, I never liked them, always keep them deflated as much as possible. I think the benefits of lumbar support are greatly overrated.

We are conditioned to believe our backs are fragile and subject to chronic injury and not designed for sitting. If you think you might get back pain, you probably will. The mind is a very powerful thing.
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I'm with RaveD. Many years ago I was having lower back pain. My GP asked if I drove a lot. He said for many people a fully extended leg while driving creates lower back pain. Many years later, no more lower back pain. I'm accustomed to sitting closer and never give it a thought.


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This nice video explains it all...

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Old 07-29-2014, 12:18 PM
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I found the video very instructive. Thanks. I am one of the fat cats. Short (5'6") and heavy. I came to F10 from a MB E550. IMHO the seats are comparable. I now have multi-contour and the lumbar is useful as are the side bolsters. I don't especially care for the magic inflation/deflation feature so I don't use it. Two weeks ago I spent many hours in the car from NY to Boston to pick someone up at the airport and then to Cape Cod, all in the same day. I have a chronic bad back (2 surgeries on L5/S1 disk) and I was fine at the end of the day. I do not think, however, that there is any way to generalize about either how "bad" or how "good" the seats are. It's just too variable, maybe as variable as personal opinions on paint colors.
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BMW F10 front seats and back pain

I traded my E60 two months ago for a 2011 F10; both cars with M Sport pkg and multi-contour seats. For whatever reason I could never find the "correct" position for the driver's seat in my E60. In the F10, however, I found a dramatic improvement in comfort level with respect to the driver's seat. Long drives are now comfortable; I could not say that of the E60 seats.


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OK, I guess I am one of the "big people" at 6'4", 240 lbs. No matter how much I fiddled with it, I had a limit of about 150 miles on our E 60. Loved the car, but it just wasn't very comfortable.
Enter the F 10, 2013 535i standard seats. Much more comfort, and much easier ingress/egress. I can drive this car forever.

Wife would give diametrically opposite review.

We own a Ferrari 360 Spider. Seats go up/down, forward/back and the lumbar adjustment is a big manual knob. Would drive this car to the moon and back.
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