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Old 04-08-2013, 07:56 PM
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Paint correction on the 7????

Anyone ever done this themselves on Jet Black?

I've been reading TONS, and seemingly many professionals say this is one of the NIGHTMARE colors.

I bought the car used, and the front bumper and hood are pelted with small rock chips and imperfections. I just bought a Dr Color Chip repair kit (excited about doing this, looks like it will repair almost 100%)

Now, my paint isn't horrible, but TONS of swirls and small scratches here and there.

I have the porter cable 7424xp

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LC pads, surbuf pad, SF4500, Blackfire sealant and carnuba

I'm sure there are plenty of scratches that may be too deep for just the PC and even yellow pad, but wondering has anyone ever wetsanded on these Jet Black BMW's?

Getting the back bumper repainted Sunday, looking to start this paint correction Monday. Anticipiated time I'm budgeting maybe 30 hours
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:20 PM
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You should leave the wet sanding to the pros. Thing is, you CAN make the paint look stunning but you can also shorten the life of the clearcoat and not know it if you oversand it.
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You should leave the wet sanding to the pros. Thing is, you CAN make the paint look stunning but you can also shorten the life of the clearcoat and not know it if you oversand it.
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Jet Black isn't a color, it's a part-time job.

Every time I look at mine a new swirl mark appears, I quit trying to correct it after 6 months of intense finish correction and care. The best thing you can do is keep plenty of Blackfire and carnauba on the finish and the gloss with hide most of the issue. Short of that, you will go insane trying to make it (and keep it) looking like new.
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Jet Black isn't a color, it's a part-time job.

Every time I look at mine a new swirl mark appears, I quit trying to correct it after 6 months of intense finish correction and care. The best thing you can do is keep plenty of Blackfire and carnauba on the finish and the gloss with hide most of the issue. Short of that, you will go insane trying to make it (and keep it) looking like new.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:32 AM
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Pc the whole car then wax it. Dr color chip will hide alot of small chips but its not perfect either.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:14 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys! I've just been cranky with my finish. There are some areas I know the only correction would be a 2500/3000 wetsand and pc compound polish polish polish seal and wax....I'm very anal and I ordered the black fire sealant and carnauba. I want to spend a good 30 hours correcting and then just stay on top of hiding any imperfections that arias. I know this is the biggest pita color but no one can disagree that when clean its probay the sexiest color on the road.

The dr color chip kit I know will do the trick with the front end. I don't expect perfection without a repaint but a 90% correction will suffice.

We'll see how it goes...the back bumper is flaking so the repaint will happen then. He's gunna take a look at my front end and see what he says too.

We'll see how all this goes. I'm excited to get dirty and try her out .
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I'm going to try and document each panel before and after too
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:58 AM
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Last year i bought the griots orbital with meguirs 105/205 it took out most swirls but there still remains some small surfice scratches. Im thinking in next few weeks im going to buy the menzurna products and see how that goes. I also have jet black.
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Old 04-09-2013, 10:04 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys! I've just been cranky with my finish. There are some areas I know the only correction would be a 2500/3000 wetsand and pc compound polish polish polish seal and wax....I'm very anal and I ordered the black fire sealant and carnauba. I want to spend a good 30 hours correcting and then just stay on top of hiding any imperfections that arias. I know this is the biggest pita color but no one can disagree that when clean its probay the sexiest color on the road.

The dr color chip kit I know will do the trick with the front end. I don't expect perfection without a repaint but a 90% correction will suffice.

We'll see how it goes...the back bumper is flaking so the repaint will happen then. He's gunna take a look at my front end and see what he says too.

We'll see how all this goes. I'm excited to get dirty and try her out .
Ive used the dr color chip on my orient blue bmw and it had quite a few, it did a nice job of covering no where near 90% though. I would say from a few ft away it looked 50% better
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If you do a good job on Jet Black you will find it is metallic as well, just much smaller flecks in the paint. That little surprise made all the hard work worth it.
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Anyone ever done this themselves on Jet Black?

I've been reading TONS, and seemingly many professionals say this is one of the NIGHTMARE colors.

I bought the car used, and the front bumper and hood are pelted with small rock chips and imperfections. I just bought a Dr Color Chip repair kit (excited about doing this, looks like it will repair almost 100%)

Now, my paint isn't horrible, but TONS of swirls and small scratches here and there.

I have the porter cable 7424xp

M105/205
LC pads, surbuf pad, SF4500, Blackfire sealant and carnuba

I'm sure there are plenty of scratches that may be too deep for just the PC and even yellow pad, but wondering has anyone ever wetsanded on these Jet Black BMW's?

Getting the back bumper repainted Sunday, looking to start this paint correction Monday. Anticipiated time I'm budgeting maybe 30 hours
It's not as difficult as people make it out to be! Read up on it and take advice from people who know what they are talking about!

The Dr. Colorchip kit is pretty good, make sure you let the paint dry long enough so you don't take it off!

If you are worried about the small scratches and stuff don't fear! YOu said you have the 7424 which is good! As well you have M105 and M205 and you might have the right pads (the colors are meant for different things).

I'd tape off a problem area, like your hood in half, and use M205 on it after washing the car with the PC on a low speed to spread it and then a higher speed to work it in. Don't go to high as you don't want to overwork it too quickly, but stay above 3. Wipe off your work after a few passes with it (like 4-6) and wipe off. If your polish starts dusting, shake it better and as well don't use it for that many passes!

Once wiped off if most of the imperfections are gone and you are happy then all you'll need to do is use M205 on the whole car. If there are deeper ones or it barely made a change, then you'll need to step it up to M105.

Repeat with M105, however your finish might have a slight haze/hologram/unfinished look to it. Follow up with M205 and it should be perfect!

Wash the car and wipe it down with IPA and then apply a sealant of your choice.

Personally if you are doing all the work, I'd clay the car before polishing and use some sort of decontamination spray like Iron-X.
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Thanks man! Yeah I've read a ton about it. I know ill have to start off with the 105 as my test spot had about 75% better with just the 205. I ordered a surfbuf pad to use with the 105 because all of my reading had pointed to that as the "go to" pad with specifically bmw black, and black I general

I'm going to use the 105/205/sf4500/black fire sealant and black fire carnauba...that will be my process I believe

There are a few areas with deeper scratches and major rock chip pelting that I believe will be corrected using a trizact 3000. We'll see. It's going to be an experience nonetheless.

Ill be keeping everyone posted
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Jet Black is universally recognized by professional detailers as one of, if not THE, most difficult paint finish to maintain "swirl and scratch" free; just go peruse some of the detailer forums like Auto Geek and you will see what I mean.

He's on the right path, Blackfire and a really good carnauba will mask most of the issues after he is done with the 105/205.

I have to redo mine once a year. I would highly recommend the pad cleaner that Auto Geek sells, it makes a real difference in time unless you have six of every pad.
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Thanks Bu!

I came across autogeek just the other day and a bunch of the info has been extremely useful.

Everyone over there says Jet Black is the greatest looking black in terms of depth and shine, but if you even use to firm of pressure on a microfiber pad you're going to swirl. I've heard it is near impossible to get a 100% correction without spending years on the car. Then the blackfire will do the trick for sealing and carnauba to hide and remaining imperfections.

My fingers are crossed!
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Paint correction on the 7????

Just did mine yesterday, didn't need M105/M205 but after wash and clay gave a healthy dose of Poorboy's Black Hole glaze followed by Mother's Pure Brazilian Carnauba wax . Shiny, shiny. (That's not a chip on the right side of the hood, it's a reflection of the half moon).







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Paint correction on the 7????

Like I said before: Jet Black is a part-time job, not a color.


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Looks like it came out great! Ill definitely have to hit the 105/205 with my
Paint condition no doubt, lots of bad swirls and holograms. Ill be posting soon....waiting to get the rear
Bumper painted first then on my way to correction
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Paint correction on the 7????

I cannot recommend the Poorboy's Black Hole glaze highly enough for black cars, the difference is something you can really see. I thought my Jet Black looked good after the 105/205/ Blackfire / Carnauba treatment (which it did) but after I hit it with Black Hole and followed it up with Carnauba it looked like a new finish. You can see the metallic flakes in the Jet Black (much smaller than Sapphire Black) which was a big surprise because I didn't see them when I bought the car and had been told that Jet Black was a non-metallic color.

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I ordered some of that too, I'll give it a try
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Im definitely interested in some pics if your jet black as i have rhe same color. I bought the griots orbital last year with the m105/205 and pads from detailers domain results were ok but not as good as i would've likes. It was my first time with a machine maybe i need some practice. Has anyone tried the menzerna line? Heard it was better then meguiars.
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