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Tire question - I have winter tires but want to switch all-season

My recent purchase of an 09 3.28xi came with Dunlop 225/45R17 94V tires. After doing a quick search, they turn out to be winter tires. Being in Minneapolis, this was a good thing but now as warmer weather approaches I presume I need to switch them out...

Any suggestions? I'm new to this switching tire business as I've never lived in this climate before.
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We recommend you have a separate set of wheels and summer tires. Do you have two sets of wheels?
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We recommend you have a separate set of wheels and summer tires. Do you have two sets of wheels?
I do not have separate wheels. Car only came with the wheels attached, which were the winter tires
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I do not have separate wheels. Car only came with the wheels attached, which were the winter tires
Assuming the wheels that are on the car are OEM, my personal recommendation would be to have summer tires mounted on them and then buy another set to put the winters on. Are you aware BMW uses Run Flat Tires? You do not have to use RFTs, but if you choose regular tires you may want to acquire a doughnut spare. There is a sticky at the top of this forum addressing that.
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The rims are OEM. I am aware of the RFTs but am weary due to the heavy price to get them. Can I still get a smooth "BMW" drive if I went with standard summer tires? Also, I'd probably have to purchase a new set of wheels to go with the tires huh?
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Living in MA, I run non-RFT Continental DWS tires for 3 seasons of the year on the stock BMW wheels that came with my car, and Bridgestone Blizzaks on Rial Salerno wheels for the winter. Both sets have TPMS sensors installed.

The cost of the separate wheels/sensors for the winter tires are a one-time $700 hit, but you save +/- $160 every year on swapping/balancing the tires, plus reducing the chance of some tireshop kid damaging the rims changing the tires over.


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My recent purchase of an 09 3.28xi came with Dunlop 225/45R17 94V tires. After doing a quick search, they turn out to be winter tires. Being in Minneapolis, this was a good thing but now as warmer weather approaches I presume I need to switch them out...

Any suggestions? I'm new to this switching tire business as I've never lived in this climate before.

With the presumption of assumption you'll avoid a bad connumption.

Michelin PSS'll put a smile on yer mug. Strictly warm weather!

And the idea of having a set o'Summer alloy wheels & tires is a good one.

But, ooooooooooooooh these Bimmer people, who do they think they are?
Buy this! Buy that! Don't they realize we buy pre-owned vehicles for a saving? Has cash no meaning to these kibitzers?

I tell you now, a 5 year payback on $700 might not be bad for those "my new BMW is our weekend car" pilots, but in the real world, Craigslist is your friend. Let your fingers do the walking.....search every day for a set of wheels....many now selling their BMW have a spare set!

Good luck, lad. And remember: The pre-owned market presents bargains indeed, from time to time!

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In order to save money, I'm contemplating swapping for All-Seasons and selling my current winter ones to save money and hassle of swapping them out every year. Thoughts?
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I tell you now, a 5 year payback on $700 might not be bad for those "my new BMW is our weekend car" pilots, but in the real world, Craigslist is your friend. Let your fingers do the walking.....search every day for a set of wheels....many now selling their BMW have a spare set!
Now, not to be pedantic, but last time I looked, 700 / 160 = +/- 4



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In order to save money, I'm contemplating swapping for All-Seasons and selling my current winter ones to save money and hassle of swapping them out every year. Thoughts?
In Minneapolis? Seems like the definition of "I need winter tires" to me. Do you need to go out while it's snowing or can you wait until June when the storm stops?
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In Minneapolis? Seems like the definition of "I need winter tires" to me. Do you need to go out while it's snowing or can you wait until June when the storm stops?
OP he's luring you in a trap and wanting you to say " But ... but ... I have X drive!". Don't.

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Alright alright so I need to go down the path of two sets of tires then. I need to figure out now roughly how much it'll cost to get the same rims and summer tires along with the sensor. Would going to the dealer be same as going to Tirerack?
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Alright alright so I need to go down the path of two sets of tires then. I need to figure out now roughly how much it'll cost to get the same rims and summer tires along with the sensor. Would going to the dealer be same as going to Tirerack?
Assuming the car came with BMW rims, I'd just get a nice set of summer tires (or A/S tires) onto those rims now. Then, I'd get a set of winter rims / sensors next fall for the winter tires you already have. I don't think I'd go with BMW rims for the winter set (at least, I didn't).

The dealer will be very much higher than tire rack.
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but its going to cost you probably double going to the dealer.
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Assuming the car came with BMW rims, I'd just get a nice set of summer tires (or A/S tires) onto those rims now. Then, I'd get a set of winter rims / sensors next fall for the winter tires you already have. I don't think I'd go with BMW rims for the winter set (at least, I didn't).

The dealer will be very much higher than tire rack.
^^This. I got my winter wheels and tires, virtually brand new, for $400 from a fellow Windy City chapter member of the BMW CCA.
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The OP is getting some excellent, informed advice here. At the risk of sounding pedantic, allow me to summarize: Those in serious snow country have three tire options as I see it:
(1) Fit the car with summer tires. Drive in the winter ONLY when it is well above freezing and the roads are dry and no precip is expencted. This is what I did with my M3 and now do with my Porsche. Clearly unsatisfactory if you must be go to work and have only one car, no access to public transport, etc.
(2) Fit the BMW with all-season tires. Particularly with an AWD xi/xd model, this keeps you moving in all but the worst winter weather. In the really bad stuff, you could use AWD plus winter tires. For the severest winter conditions, of course, only an Arctic Cat will do.
(3) Buy a second set of wheels and have a set of summer tires for the optimum BMW Ultimate Driving Machine experience for half the year, and a set of winter tires to go in the other half of the year. This is the "best" choice but of course now you have the expense of an extra four wheels & tires, the hassle of storing the other set while not in use and perhaps the expense/trouble of owing a jack, torque wrench, etc. so that you can do your own seasonal changeovers. Thus, not for everybody... Many here (myself included) like this apporach -- and if like me you have multiple vehicles, you only need to do this for one of 'em.

I suppose I could also list option (4) Two sets of tires (one winter, one summer) in the same size that you take to a tire store to swap out seasonally. There are folks that do this, but what a hassle and your pretty wheels take it tough with all the swapping back and forth. Usually not recommended...
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The OP is getting some excellent, informed advice here. At the risk of sounding pedantic, allow me to summarize: Those in serious snow country have three tire options as I see it:
(1) Fit the car with summer tires. Drive in the winter ONLY when it is well above freezing and the roads are dry and no precip is expencted. This is what I did with my M3 and now do with my Porsche. Clearly unsatisfactory if you must be go to work and have only one car, no access to public transport, etc.
(2) Fit the BMW with all-season tires. Particularly with an AWD xi/xd model, this keeps you moving in all but the worst winter weather. In the really bad stuff, you could use AWD plus winter tires. For the severest winter conditions, of course, only an Arctic Cat will do.
(3) Buy a second set of wheels and have a set of summer tires for the optimum BMW Ultimate Driving Machine experience for half the year, and a set of winter tires to go in the other half of the year. This is the "best" choice but of course now you have the expense of an extra four wheels & tires, the hassle of storing the other set while not in use and perhaps the expense/trouble of owing a jack, torque wrench, etc. so that you can do your own seasonal changeovers. Thus, not for everybody... Many here (myself included) like this apporach -- and if like me you have multiple vehicles, you only need to do this for one of 'em.

I suppose I could also list option (4) Two sets of tires (one winter, one summer) in the same size that you take to a tire store to swap out seasonally. There are folks that do this, but what a hassle and your pretty wheels take it tough with all the swapping back and forth. Usually not recommended...
Excellent write up sir! Could you please help define what would be "worst winter weather". Some folks I've spoken to around here have said that good A/S tires are sufficient in the winters out here but some have also suggested option (3). My issue is mainly the cost of getting fresh wheels and sensors and changing them out. I was hoping there was a set of tires out there that were sufficient enough for snow (not blizzard, but just few inches of snow, less than a ft. Roads get paved in the city rather quickly)
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Now, not to be pedantic, but last time I looked, 700 / 160 = +/- 4


700/160=4.375 Gadzooks! -- term advisedly, yet sneakily, used -- have we neglected resale valve?
  • Tire change service charge reasale value: $0.00
  • Alloy wheel resale value: Maybe 50% o'purchase.

Aha! Takes money to make money, OP. Your best value is best taken with a bullet to bite on. In the end, you'll do well. Couople of years away, you're making $ - few later, you're selling to recoup. Passsive income from investment is so low now that it can be neglected in casual computation. I say to you, sir, that a hardware purchase is your best course.
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700/160=4.375 Gadzooks! -- term advisedly, yet sneakily, used -- have we neglected resale valve?
I see no decimal point! I will challenge the significance of your precision, sir!



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Excellent write up sir! Could you please help define what would be "worst winter weather". Some folks I've spoken to around here have said that good A/S tires are sufficient in the winters out here but some have also suggested option (3). My issue is mainly the cost of getting fresh wheels and sensors and changing them out. I was hoping there was a set of tires out there that were sufficient enough for snow (not blizzard, but just few inches of snow, less than a ft. Roads get paved in the city rather quickly)
I had a set of Nokian WR tires that I ran year round. They're called an All-Season but they're rated for significant snow. Nice tire. Lots of grip in all conditions. Not much life, though. 25k miles and they were screaming bald.

That's the trade. Tires that are good in snow have aggressive treads and a soft compound, so they grip and deform into the snow in cold temperatures. Makes them melt like butter in warm weather.

All sorts of people will tell you you'll be fine with AWD and A/S tires. I've run both on my 335xi. It's passable in 3" or less with all-seasons, but it goes pear shaped very quickly after that (new, 3000 mile Continental DWS tires last October) and they blindingly suck on ice.

I currently use xDrive and dedicated winter tires (Bridgestone Blizzak WS-70s) in the winter. 6" - 9" of snow is no problem at all and your biggest worry is that one of the "my all-seasons are just fine" people is going to slide into you at an intersection.

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The OP is getting some excellent, informed advice here. At the risk of sounding pedantic, allow me to summarize: Those in serious snow country have three tire options as I see it:
(1) Fit the car with summer tires. Drive in the winter ONLY when it is well above freezing and the roads are dry and no precip is expencted. This is what I did with my M3 and now do with my Porsche. Clearly unsatisfactory if you must be go to work and have only one car, no access to public transport, etc.
(2) Fit the BMW with all-season tires. Particularly with an AWD xi/xd model, this keeps you moving in all but the worst winter weather. In the really bad stuff, you could use AWD plus winter tires. For the severest winter conditions, of course, only an Arctic Cat will do.
(3) Buy a second set of wheels and have a set of summer tires for the optimum BMW Ultimate Driving Machine experience for half the year, and a set of winter tires to go in the other half of the year. This is the "best" choice but of course now you have the expense of an extra four wheels & tires, the hassle of storing the other set while not in use and perhaps the expense/trouble of owing a jack, torque wrench, etc. so that you can do your own seasonal changeovers. Thus, not for everybody... Many here (myself included) like this apporach -- and if like me you have multiple vehicles, you only need to do this for one of 'em.

I suppose I could also list option (4) Two sets of tires (one winter, one summer) in the same size that you take to a tire store to swap out seasonally. There are folks that do this, but what a hassle and your pretty wheels take it tough with all the swapping back and forth. Usually not recommended...
Aren't STEEL wheels available for the OP through Tire Rack? We might be scaring him price wise.

I'm not in agreement for "A/S" tires in his heavy snow area. Depending on brand, "A/S" tire winter traction could be all over the map and they'll quickly lose winter traction as they wear down. Dedicated Winter tires are in order for his location, IMO.
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As I believe the picture of your car in the snow is a LIVE picture from today - it is April 18th and we are getting 8 inches of snow - you already know the answer. In Minnesota you have both snow and cold. My wife's F30 has x-drive and all season Continentals. It isn't close to as good in winter as my E90 with snow tires. The snow tires are better in cold. They grip well at -25 and blow through 8 inches of snow. I am assuming I will end up getting snow tires on my wife's car too. I have Dunlop WIntersport and Michelin Pilots. Both are really good tires for winter and summer respectively. Will replace with the same tires when they wear out.
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Aren't STEEL wheels available for the OP through Tire Rack? We might be scaring him price wise.
Perhaps for a 328 in 16". Nothing but alloy in 17" when I got the wheels for my 335.
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As I believe the picture of your car in the snow is a LIVE picture from today - it is April 18th and we are getting 8 inches of snow - you already know the answer. In Minnesota you have both snow and cold. My wife's F30 has x-drive and all season Continentals. It isn't close to as good in winter as my E90 with snow tires. The snow tires are better in cold. They grip well at -25 and blow through 8 inches of snow. I am assuming I will end up getting snow tires on my wife's car too. I have Dunlop WIntersport and Michelin Pilots. Both are really good tires for winter and summer respectively. Will replace with the same tires when they wear out.
Good decision. I believe dedicated snow tires were invented for Minnesota.
My father received Winter ski patrol training in Minn. during WWII and once told me that they "lost" someone on a very "snowy" training excercise. I don't believe they ever found him.
Although he was from Mass., he told me that Minnesota made him yearn for the comparatively "light snow" of New England.
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I see no decimal point! I will challenge the significance of your precision, sir!

My calculation does not adhere to notions of scientific precision, I freely admit.

But there is a larger issue: What if OP scores half price wheels on the pre-owned market?

There is our sweet spot. Assuming he will own his car long enough to wear out winter and summer tires once, OP is out very little cash indeed! Why, with the Obama 'Recovery Summer' almost here, OP will likely see a profit when he sells his second set o'wheels. Excellent!
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:16 PM
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Run flat all season, and swap back to your winter tires when needed.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...=245VR7MXM4PZP
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:54 PM
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Run flat all season, and swap back to your winter tires when needed.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...=245VR7MXM4PZP
o0o those arent too bad on the wallet and seem to have an overall good reviews based on a quick search on the forums. I wonder why they are priced relatively low compared to other RFT...
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