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Old 03-26-2014, 12:45 PM
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A much better option than hardware store parts is the kit sold on z3hardtops.com For $430 shipped you get the brackets factory bolts front FActory mounting screws ,tool and instructions. perfect fit . If you want they have the options for all the covers and switches . Without the power by pass if someone activates the power soft top with the hardtop on ...#@#**&%%% and the cost will be big bucks. They even offer a heavy duty corkscrew stand to keep the top from twisting under extreme driving.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:49 AM
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Hi I am new to posting and I have a 2000 bmw z3 1.8litre, and I need to fit my hardtop... I have everything but the two bolts for the front!:-( I saw someone said they bought some from a hardware shop, but where I live there are no decent ones. How could I go about getting the screws? Can you put any screw there? I don't even remember what they looked like or how big they were!
Another recent problem of mine with the z3 is it unlocks when I lock it? After numerous times of pressing lock it will then stay locked!
Anyone ever heard of this ?
Thanks guys :-D
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:28 AM
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I think this is the bolt you need - http://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/p...119901586.html

Check realoem.com to verify.

I'm also not sure if BMW of Atlanta will ship to England. I just did a google search with BMW and the part number. You may be able to find a supplier closer to you.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:40 AM
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I think this is the bolt you need - http://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/p...119901586.html
Check realoem.com to verify.
I'm also not sure if BMW of Atlanta will ship to England. I just did a google search with BMW and the part number. You may be able to find a supplier closer to you.
In RealOEM for my 1997 1.9, the bolt is No. 06, described as an M8X12-8.8-ZNFE, with that same PN 07119901586, but "Ended" or no longer available.
http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?...54&fg=20&hl=22

If BMW South Atlanta cannot get it or ship abroad, this vendor might:
http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...01586/ES14141/

Or the OP might find a hardware specialty vendor in England that sells a M8X12-8.8-ZNFE.

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Old 04-03-2014, 11:05 AM
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Pretty sure this is the one he's looking for: 54 21 8 410 534 Torx bolt. THIS is the bolt that secures the front of the hdtp to the windscreen frame.

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...0534/ES158052/

The O-ring is supposed to hold the bolt in place when the top is removed; in nearly fifteen (<15) years with two (2) Rdstrs, I've only had a bolt fall out once (and found).
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:11 PM
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Pretty sure this is the one he's looking for: 54 21 8 410 534 Torx bolt. THIS is the bolt that secures the front of the hdtp to the windscreen frame.

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...0534/ES158052/

The O-ring is supposed to hold the bolt in place when the top is removed; in nearly fifteen (<15) years with two (2) Rdstrs, I've only had a bolt fall out once (and found).
I only got my z3 3 years ago and my dad was the previous owner, being a young woman I didn't want the hard top on and am now needing it on as the bad weather the past month has cost me a fortune replacing my immobiliser and starter motor(roof leaked), gone to my dads to pick up the roof and read the instructions but I think I might of hoovered the two securing bolts not realising what they were. Really need the roof on as don't want to have to fork out more money if I flood my boot again! Ha :-/
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Old 04-03-2014, 03:33 PM
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Bolts.

Randy has the correct part number. The problem is you have to buy 10 unless you have a super dealer that has stocked them. I have tried ecs and 3 dealers before and ordered 2 but they always call back and say they are sold in lots of 10. I have them but its too much to send to england sorry.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:48 AM
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Pretty sure this is the one he's looking for: 54 21 8 410 534 Torx bolt. THIS is the bolt that secures the front of the hdtp to the windscreen frame.

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...0534/ES158052/

The O-ring is supposed to hold the bolt in place when the top is removed; in nearly fifteen (<15) years with two (2) Rdstrs, I've only had a bolt fall out once (and found).
I think the bolts are more prone to fall out if you use the hardtop a lot. I had the hardtop on all winter and the bolts fall out within a few miles of driving. I just take them out and put them in the glove box now.

I just tried to order 2 from ECS so I will have spares.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:50 AM
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about Z3hardtops.com

this guy is awesome though his website is still under construction
I was passing through his area and asked if we could meet and wanted to see his work. I've seen the kit from overseas and wasn't terribly impressed
His name is Mike and his cuts and welds are excellent. his brackets are solid and excellent. buy with confidence.
With the level of machine work i honestly don't think he's making any money on these things.
it started as a pet project for him when helping his son with his hardtop issues...
and it was successful and he wanted to pass it on.

at any rate, solid stuff.
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Old 04-09-2014, 07:40 PM
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I think the bolts are more prone to fall out if you use the hardtop a lot. I had the hardtop on all winter and the bolts fall out within a few miles of driving. I just take them out and put them in the glove box now.

I just tried to order 2 from ECS so I will have spares.
Update - ECS has shipped my order. So, it looks like you can order just 2 bolts. It does end up costing about $20 after shipping though.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:11 AM
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Update - ECS has shipped my order. So, it looks like you can order just 2 bolts. It does end up costing about $20 after shipping though.
Update #2, I received the bolts and they are the correct ones for the windshield HT mount. I think the O-rings around the old ones were compressed after 14 years. The new bolts fit really tight and don't fall out.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:30 PM
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bolts

If anyone needs the bolts I have the factory ones i can sell you shipped for 14.00$ not close to 22.00$ like the ecs ones will cost you , or if you are smart and just dont want them to fall out, I will send you a couple of proper size o rings free. Just PM me. I have tons of them.

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Old 09-13-2014, 10:07 AM
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Red face Help i got a hard top but need brackets for z31996mod

Is there a video on youtube the shows how you put on and take off the hard top on a z3 , and how you mount the brackets ??
Have a z3 1996 and a hard top but nead the brackets , anyone where to bay ?
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Old 09-13-2014, 12:21 PM
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Hi
I don't think there is a YouTube video on mounting the hardtop. But BMW offers a download of their original mounting instructions which are clear.
Additional information appears online. I can dig it out and send it if you wish.
Mounting the brackets is easy. They go on with 3 bolts each side, after having removed a plastic trim piece.
It is much more difficult to wire the window defroster and you may wish to decide if it is worth the bother. I chose to not.
BUT you MUST PULL the PLUG on the soft top position sensor. It is located at the bracket on the (US) drivers side behind the drivers left shoulder.
If you dunna pull that plug, one can push the dash button to raise the soft top whilst the hard top in installed.
The result is a train wreck of the first order.

Early this year I bought brackets from the BMW REPAIR PARTS Catalog at BMW of Fort Wayne, Indiana. They said "These were the last new brackets available from BMW and now there are none".
But a guy in England makes after market brackets. See E-Bay. He appears competent and ships photo instructions and his price is half that of BMW. Such a deal!!
Also, it is good to have the plastic gauges BMW sold to setup the rear top clearance from the body metal. I finally gave up trying to find a set. Maybe one will appear which would be very nice.
Anyway, I muddled thru the top install with good success. If I can assist you, send me a ping via Bimmerfest.
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Old 09-13-2014, 12:46 PM
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Please do your research before buying the Ebay England sets. In fact I do not believe he makes them anymore since he had a couple of failures. I make a factory replacement set and have sold 30 sets all over the world. You can contact me at z3 hardtops.com . I do have one set left before I take a break until The first of OCT. There are brackets available from BMW at last count about 20 sets but they now are closer to 600 an that does not include the bolts wrench etc that you really need. I sell all of that for 440.
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Old 09-14-2014, 10:09 AM
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Smile BMW link? Top adjustment & top color matching.

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I don't think there is a YouTube video on mounting the hardtop. But BMW offers a download of their original mounting instructions which are clear.

Anyway, I muddled thru the top install with good success. If I can assist you, send me a ping via Bimmerfest.
BillHopwood
HI BillHopwood. I just bought a top from a forum member (with kit) and could use a link to this BMW download.
I have installed most everything and have begun test fitting the top and have gone on a few test drives as well. I found I need to adjust the position slightly since I am getting wind noise from the front edge of the top and a little rattle from the left rear "cam Lock".
I just saw that there are gauges (not included with mine) and wouldn't mind a drawing or spec on them as well.

For me, putting the top on my Roadster has been easy, the hard part is adjusting the thing. As easy as it looks, there may be nuances I don't know yet.

One more question to all with tops.... If your top was not of the same color as your car, did you have your top painted to match your car?
Thanks all!

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Old 09-14-2014, 08:11 PM
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I use the rear of the door frame on both sides as my guide.... edge of the hardtop flush with the door jam and equal amounts of overhang for square side to side .... as for the gauge for the rear you really just want to compress the seal not mash it. i researched the gauge size and its right at 3/8th's of an inch..... i made a bunch of spacers out of cardboard to put all around the rear when initially fitting the top.... the extra cardboard gauges allowed me to see what the top was doing once i put tension on the posts.
you really want to make sure you are NOT twisting the top in any way when the rear posts are latched.....with all the different adjustments available it does take time to get it all perfectly lined up.


the trick i learned to keep the front from whistling is when mounting the top... set the rear posts in the sockets first.... you want them bottomed and ready to be latched - but keep them unlatched until the two header bolts are in and evenly tightened. i go side to side tightening the front bolts making sure i'm pulling it down evenly in stages...only after the windshield header is secure do i latch the rear posts.


Have Fun!

I got my top brand new in the box but it was evergreen.... for what it cost the color didnt matter :-)



yes i had it painted to match.



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Old 09-14-2014, 08:33 PM
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[QUOTE=Racerman27410;8590418]I use the rear of the door frame on both sides as my guide.... edge of the hardtop flush with the door jam and equal amounts of overhang for square side to side .... . i go side to side tightening the front bolts making sure i'm pulling it down evenly in stages...only after the windshield header is secure do i latch the rear posts.
Have Fun!
yes i had it painted to match.




Thanks Racerman! I will go back and try that again this week and get it seated firmly.
I see that the entire top was stripped before paint. I assume that you did that yourself?

Looks beautiful, nice, nice car!

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Old 09-14-2014, 09:04 PM
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Good point about the front racerman. the 2 front screws should be tightened with the pins in the hole but not fully latched down. also the 2 bolts that hold the corkscrew stands should be loosen until the top is tight in the front and centered side to side. Proper glass adjustment is a dollar bill between the door glass and seal . It should just drag a little when you pull on it with the glass up. the front adjustment is by shims (beer can) or removal of the factory shims. If you need to loosen the cam locks on the top use the castle nut wrench to hold the nut and loosen with a I think 22 mm wrench. then adjust height with the castle nut. It can be very hard to try and loosen the castle nut instead of holding it. I have instructions and several links to adjustment procedures if anyone needs them. I also would like to make a video to help people if anyone is installing a top in the Knoxville Tn area.
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:32 PM
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Thanks Racerman! I will go back and try that again this week and get it seated firmly.
I see that the entire top was stripped before paint. I assume that you did that yourself?

Looks beautiful, nice, nice car!

Thanks, I really like the car.

the tip above about shimming the front was excellent.... don't forget there is adjustment there as well but again you don't want it too tight....the fiberglass will twist under tension and then parts will start lifting away from the seal.... then you've got wind and water leaks.

i paid to have the top professionally painted...the paint shop took the entire top apart to change the color.(it you are going to do it.... do it right!)..... it was 450.00 including the 80.00 for having the rear window professionally removed and re installed (its bonded)

All in total for everything ..Brand new Hardtop w/mounting kit and two defrost switches (one early model one late model) new in the crate... and painting it Montreal Blue was 1476.71

i consider myself very lucky to have got in on the hard top close out deal from BMW back in 2010

i really like the looks of the car with the hardtop on. makes it much quieter and the A/C works better!


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Old 09-15-2014, 05:51 AM
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Thanks, I really like the car.
i consider myself very lucky to have got in on the hard top close out deal from BMW back in 2010
i really like the looks of the car with the hardtop on. makes it much quieter and the A/C works better!

I think your car looks great, inspires me to take better care of mine.
I drove with the hard top this weekend and noticed that the car seems more solid, is indeed quieter and yes the AC does work better. I noticed my doors felt and sounded better when I close them. All said and done, I will be very happy to spend the upcoming winter with the top on my car, definitely a good purchase.
I paid $2200 for the top, mounting kit and hoist for storage in the garage. I will be painting my top soon as well. This is the one I bought, havent taken any pictures with my car yet, but I have the dark green color (I should know the official BMW name).
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