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Did the F30 come a year "early"? I.e did the E90 only have 6 year production run?

German Cars, and about all Premium Cars run a 7 year production cycle, BMW included. However, I just realized, the E90 seemed to only have a 6 year run? As well I heard a rumor that the next 7 Series will be making it to the market in 2014 instead of 2015. As well again, the F10 is getting its facelift a year earlier than usual (5ers always get them 4 years into production, not 3).

It got me thinking.... since BMW seems to be doing more "protective" facelifts compared to their rivals (protective to the original design, i.e subtle refreshments that honor the dignity of the origin, giving the perception of "don't mess with perfection", timeless value, while those like Mercedes do sloppily about-face changes mid-cycle which make it appear as if they keep "not getting it right"), perhaps its balanced out by (quietly) moving to 6 year production runs on more and more of their models, while their competitors keep it at least the traditional 7 years?
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E90 was launched March 2005 as a 2006 model.

F30 was launched February 2012 as a 2012 model.

That's 7 years. Or one month shy, if you want to get technical.

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E90 was launched March 2005 as a 2006 model.

F30 was launched February 2012 as a 2012 model.

That's 7 years. Or one month shy, if you want to get technical.

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It's always been 7 model years, however. If you go by that, it's only 6 (2006/2007/2008/2009/2010/2011) for the E90. Which is odd considering I don't remember the last time any BMW had a 6 year production run (maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention). Matched with the F10 getting a facelift a year earlier within the production run than 5ers have historically gotten theirs, and a supposed rumor claiming the G11 7-Series may debut as a 2015 model (instead of 2016, which would be the normal 7 year cycle), it seems like BMW is tweaking their production runs, perhaps?

What's just odd to me is how under the radar that seemed to go, i.e I haven't heard anyone bring up the E90's 6 (model) years on the market.
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It's always been 7 model years, however. If you go by that, it's only 6 (2006/2007/2008/2009/2010/2011) for the E90. Which is odd considering I don't remember the last time any BMW had a 6 year production run (maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention). Matched with the F10 getting a facelift a year earlier within the production run than 5ers have historically gotten theirs, and a supposed rumor claiming the G11 7-Series may debut as a 2015 model (instead of 2016, which would be the normal 7 year cycle), it seems like BMW is tweaking their production runs, perhaps?

What's just odd to me is how under the radar that seemed to go, i.e I haven't heard anyone bring up the E90's 6 (model) years on the market.
BMW normally releases a new model like 8 months before the model year, but this time they released it two months into the model year. So the F30 would have been a 2013, to keep with tradition.
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BMW normally releases a new model like 8 months before the model year, but this time they released it two months into the model year. So the F30 would have been a 2013, to keep with tradition.
Also, used to be that they were released in Europe 3-4 months before the US.

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True. In reality, the F30 was just accelerated to our market like 3-5 months, but enough to label it one full Model Year before what it usually would come out as (i.e after what typically would have been 7 MY's from the E90).

That part is easy to figure out. However, what's odd to me is how the E90 seemed to get what to BMW standards is a "historically" low 6 model years.... or did the E90 for a short time serve as a 2012 model as well (with production getting cut prematurely)? If so, then it makes more sense (E90 gets 7 *Model* Years yet F30 just invaded on its space via overlapping in mid 2012, sharing the same 2012 MY). If the E90 didn't come out at all as a 2012 MY, then in "Model Year" terms, it just got a 6 year model run. Interesting in how I haven't witnessed that brought up anywhere.
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Also, used to be that they were released in Europe 3-4 months before the US.

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Yeah, that's probably the reason, and hopefully it's a permanent change for BMW.
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True. In reality, the F30 was just accelerated to our market like 3-5 months, but enough to label it one full Model Year before what it usually would come out as (i.e after what typically would have been 7 MY's from the E90).

That part is easy to figure out. However, what's odd to me is how the E90 seemed to get what to BMW standards is a "historically" low 6 model years.... or did the E90 for a short time serve as a 2012 model as well (with production getting cut prematurely)? If so, then it makes more sense (E90 gets 7 *Model* Years yet F30 just invaded on its space via overlapping in mid 2012, sharing the same 2012 MY). If the E90 didn't come out at all as a 2012 MY, then in "Model Year" terms, it just got a 6 year model run. Interesting in how I haven't witnessed that brought up anywhere.
Until the 4 series debuts, the E90 is still the production model for the coupe and convertible. Seems like just a bit of overlap/transitional period but pretty much right on target for what they normally do.
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German Cars, and about all Premium Cars run a 7 year production cycle, BMW included. However, I just realized, the E90 seemed to only have a 6 year run? As well I heard a rumor that the next 7 Series will be making it to the market in 2014 instead of 2015. As well again, the F10 is getting its facelift a year earlier than usual (5ers always get them 4 years into production, not 3).

It got me thinking.... since BMW seems to be doing more "protective" facelifts compared to their rivals (protective to the original design, i.e subtle refreshments that honor the dignity of the origin, giving the perception of "don't mess with perfection", timeless value, while those like Mercedes do sloppily about-face changes mid-cycle which make it appear as if they keep "not getting it right"), perhaps its balanced out by (quietly) moving to 6 year production runs on more and more of their models, while their competitors keep it at least the traditional 7 years?
Yes, the E90 only had six model years. Until shortly before the F30 came out pretty much all of us here expected it would be designated a 2013 model. There was a fair amount of discussion here at the time of the six model year run for the E90. The E90 was not produced as a 2012. In fact its 2011 model year was extended past the traditional September change over and it was produced until closer to the end of the calendar year. So, the E90 had a long 2006 model year and a long 2011 model year.

I think the odds are fairly high that you are correct and that BMW is moving to a six model year production cycle.
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now if you look at PY:
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E46: MY 1999-2006 ( E46 sedan- E46 Coupe) 7 MY
E9x: MY 2006- MY2013 (E90 sedan - E92/93 coupe/vert) 7 MY

now if you look at PY:
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Orient, this confuses the issue. Both the E46 sedan and E46 coupe were produced for seven calendar years and seven model years, with the coupe beginning and ending production roughly one year later than the sedan. The E90 sedan was produced for almost seven calendar years, but only six model years. The E92 coupe will be produced for seven calendar years and seven model years, beginning and ending production roughly a year and a half after the sedan. note: calendar year being roughly a twelve month period.
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its just because bmw didnt want to label a car that was released in feb 2012 a 2013 model.

maybe march is their cutoff for "next model year" like with the e90 being a march 2012 release.

some companies dont care. the mazda 6 was released in january this year, and it is a "2014".
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Yes, the E90 only had six model years. Until shortly before the F30 came out pretty much all of us here expected it would be designated a 2013 model. There was a fair amount of discussion here at the time of the six model year run for the E90. The E90 was not produced as a 2012. In fact its 2011 model year was extended past the traditional September change over and it was produced until closer to the end of the calendar year. So, the E90 had a long 2006 model year and a long 2011 model year.

I think the odds are fairly high that you are correct and that BMW is moving to a six model year production cycle.
Interesting. Moving to a 6 model year cycle would be a pretty significant step. Not sure I like that as historically one aspect of paying a premium for a car means you get a chassis/design that will run for double of what a "normal car" does. However, perhaps this explains/allows BMW to keep their facelifts light, as to not drastically alter the vision of the original design language.
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In the xDrive parts of the country, new 2011 E90s were available well into 2012 since F30 xDrive production was slow to ramp up. My dealer had an array of 328xis from South Africa sitting around this time last year.

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It got me thinking.... since BMW seems to be doing more "protective" facelifts compared to their rivals...
Perhaps overall, but there are models where they make more noticeable changes. The E65 got a major ass and face overhaul and the 7-Series has been gradually getting more boring ever since.

I thought the E90's facelift was also quite significant. As we know the rear was significantly upgraded, as was the hood, lighting tweaks all around, and it lost that silly mustache on the kidney grilles.
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With BMW I think it's obvious that they only do significant facelift changes to "mistake" designs. Fortunately they haven't been making mistakes on their core 3/5/6/7's lately.
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With BMW I think it's obvious that they only do significant facelift changes to "mistake" designs. Fortunately they haven't been making mistakes on their core 3/5/6/7's lately.
That's incorrect.

BMW makes facelift changes because Mercedes comes out with new models right in the middle of the BMW seven-year product cycle. Look at the 3 and the C as an example:

March 2005: BMW E90 goes on sale.

March 2007: Mercedes W204 goes on sale.

September 2008: BMW E90 LCI goes on sale.

March 2011: Mercedes W204 Facelift goes on sale.

March 2012: BMW F30 goes on sale.

March 2014: New C Class goes on sale (expected).

September 2015: BMW F30 LCI goes on sale (expected).

The cycle gives both BMW and MB a 2 year window for the most part, with a brand new model up against a tired car's refresh. This has nothing to do with correcting design "mistakes". It's a marketing and selling strategy to stretch a 36 month lease cycle into a 72 month lease cycle on a car that's 90% the same for a seven-year duration. Depending on trend, they either make the car more male (aggressive plastic) or more female (dainty plastic) as they read-and-react to market conditions and what the other is doing.

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That's incorrect.

BMW makes facelift changes because Mercedes comes out with new models right in the middle of the BMW seven-year product cycle. Look at the 3 and the C as an example:

March 2005: BMW E90 goes on sale.

March 2007: Mercedes W204 goes on sale.

September 2008: BMW E90 LCI goes on sale.

March 2011: Mercedes W204 Facelift goes on sale.

March 2012: BMW F30 goes on sale.

March 2014: New C Class goes on sale (expected).

September 2015: BMW F30 LCI goes on sale (expected).

The cycle gives both BMW and MB a 2 year window for the most part, with a brand new model up against a tired car's refresh. This has nothing to do with correcting design "mistakes". It's a marketing and selling strategy to stretch a 36 month lease cycle into a 72 month lease cycle on a car that's 90% the same for a seven-year duration. Depending on trend, they either make the car more male (aggressive plastic) or more female (dainty plastic) as they read-and-react to market conditions and what the other is doing.

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That is correct, though I know why they do facelifts.

I meant "extensive" facelifts (think corrective surgery vs a little nip/tuck). You can pretty much tell how manufacturers regard their own cars (and how markets do, for that matter) by how extensively they feel they need to change stuff around for mere facelifts. Case in point: E65 disaster, Mercedes W204 C much needed interior makeover (hideous joke Mercedes put in the original version), W212 E Class total makeover (maybe the original wasn't well received but the facelift looks as if Mercedes hates their own work and wanted to desecrate the entire legacy of the model), etc.

Then you have the F01 and F10 which are both barely touched for their LCI's (upcoming in latter's case). Why? Because BMW mostly "got it perfect from the get go and don't want to mess with it". That's the message they get across.
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