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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 07-21-2013, 06:33 AM
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Rear Subframe Bushings

Thanks to Jase007 for the loan of the tool to replace my frame bushings. I tried to beat the heat wave that we've had around here to no avail--With the Franklin tool this job went a lot easier than I thought it would. The bushings towards the front of the car were both about cracked in half the rear bushing on each side still had oil in them. There are 4 bushings 2 in and 2 aft. I thought that this was going to require a lot of tourqe to remove the bushings,,and at first it was then I found out something--with the tool set up and when you first start cranking the wrench--if you move the bushing the first 1/4 inch down and then set back for about 30 seconds--they just wrench out after that--no big deal.
You need to let the car set for the night after the install for the bushings to seat. The next day during my first test drive I had a smile on my face the way the car was tracking--felt like new. Before the new bushings, I had a strange feeling that when takeing off the car would move forward and then the body was catching up--not good. Now everything is solid--I used the HD Bushings fro EAC and they are great..Another oddity is that my trifecta lights aren't coming on anymore. I had back my car into a tree last year ,hard enought to total the rear hatch--ever since that my trifecta light started to come on from time to time until they were staying on--hope everything holds up.
Now I have to replace the right front shock--the Bilstein is knocking--before the bushings were installed I couldn't tell for sure if the problem was in the back or in the front--now I can. Car has 260k mile
Hope that helps someone--the jobs not that bad, just follow the directions and allow for the time to do it and finish up

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Old 07-21-2013, 01:17 PM
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:11 AM
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After driving over the weekend--this is a great mod--car handles better than when it came from the factory. Those heavy duty bushings hold the body nice and flat in hairpin corners--I'm likeing...before I could take off and it seamed like the body of the car would then catch up to the subframe
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:17 AM
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Any picture of the DIY...?

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:49 AM
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:55 AM
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Hi Jason--The charge for the tool rental was 75 bucks. I had the parts and all to do the job early last week but it was sooooohot outside I put it off until Friday afternoon. Wouldn't ya know that was about the hottest day of last week. I felt like I had been beat with a rubber hammer afterwards. Not that the job is that hard--it's that at 60 I'm that out of shape and climbing around on my knees on concrete while sliding around and working like that in the heat is not what I've been doing as of late. I wanted to have someone else do the job,,,but in the end I trusted me and there are few others around that I would--and ya Have to have the tool to do this work. Amazing how easy it was with the Franklin Tool--great design and I couldn't belive how well the bushings pop out of there when you start ratching on them. Have replaced bushings in other cars I have owned--pressed them out with huge presses under great force--this method is slower--but safer and you don't have to remove the subframe from the vehicle. Didn't do a DIY--there are a couple already out there that show the particulars. Jase007 also included the full DIY with great pics with the rental of the Franklin Tool--This job isn't hard like the vanos or anything--just time consuming and turning wrenches.
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:10 PM
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i have Franklin tool for sedan ( not for wagon ) , can rent it 50$ if someone needs

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Old 07-23-2013, 01:16 PM
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Did you notice much difference after replaceing bushings in your sedan?
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:06 PM
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Nice...!
How much was it to rent to the tool...?
Any picture of the DIY...?

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Hi Jason,

There is a full DIY on Touring rear subframe bushing replacement on Bimmerforums:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...ng-replacement

A very enjoyable read!!!!
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:43 PM
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Did you notice much difference after replaceing bushings in your sedan?
I replaced all 7 bushings
30% improvement gives big 4 subframe bushings and 70% one small diff bushing between
shaft drive and differential

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...ng-replacement
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:42 PM
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Hmmm--with all the work you did-the work done over the weekend is very small compaired. Like what this has done for mine,,sure it's more for yours--that was a lot of work you did there--
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:17 AM
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Did you notice much difference after replacing bushings in your sedan?
I changed my sedan subframe bushings a few weeks ago. 2 out of the 4 bushings were torn. In my case, all three diff bushings looked OK, but I replaced them since the subframe was out and I plan on keeping the car a long time.

Was it worth it?

I find it hard to notice things that are no longer there, but the ride quality is better and the rear seems more planted. (also had an alignment as toe/camber adjusting bolts were also replaced) For me it was not night and day, but the more I drove it, the more I noticed how quieter it was over bumps.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:16 PM
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Way to Git R Dun Poolman!

The touring rear subframe bushing replacement was/is #2 in satisfaction behind the #1 Dual-VANOS seal replacement for me on the touring.

Been fixing, restoring and replacing stuff (everything) on it since 5/2007 when I got it.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:03 AM
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Knocked out this job over Thanksgiving. As pool and others have stated, the job wasn't that bad using the DIY link below and the instruction packet included with the bushing removal tool kit I rented from Jase007. The job took me a full day but I'm slow and not nearly as experienced as many OTB. Plus w/o a garage all the neighbors wanted to stop and gawk . As you can see in the photo, the old bushings were toast. My symptom was the thunderous ker-klunk from the rear when driving over any imperfection in the road. After reading the first DIY on this subject I was certain my bushings needed replacing and boy was I right. The ker-klunks are now gone and as others have said the car seems much more planted in the rear. The job went smoothly for the most part but I did have a couple of complications (mostly self inflicted) which I hadn't read about in numerous other posts on the subject.
  • As indicated in the instructions from Jase007, be sure to grease the threaded bolt used to extract/replace the bushings. Even with grease the threaded bolt stuck to the top piece of the tool a few times and can be difficult to break free. After the top piece of the tool popped out of the bottom of the housing I wrapped it in a towel and tapped it lightly on a hard surface to help it break free.
  • As many have noted, access to the passenger side self leveling sensor electrical connection is limited. I didn't want to risk breaking the clip so I removed the sensors (one for each wheel) from the subframe mount and brackets. Be sure to note the correct angle and alignment of the brackets before removal. If they're facing inward (toward the differential) the sensor won't tell the pump to fill the air springs after lowering the car off the stands. Ask me how I know.
  • I used Lemforder bushings. Others may have been less $$$ but for my time I wanted the best.

Special thanks to Jase007 for getting the tool to me in time for the Thanksgiving break and for his assistance troubleshooting the SLS issue. You da man

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Old 12-22-2013, 07:16 AM
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UHHH ,,,Could you send Her Over To Gawk At Me?
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Old 12-22-2013, 08:31 AM
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Old 12-22-2013, 09:22 AM
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........The next day during my first test drive I had a smile on my face the way the car was tracking--felt like new.........
I had the exact same smile last year. Thanks to jase007 and a lift, it was an easy job!
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Yeah dat! She can check my subframe bushings too!
Sorry boys, she's working on my sagging drive shaft ATM
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