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I can only add that this AT is, by far, the best automatic transmission I ever drove. Seamless shifts, when in proper setting nice downshifts while braking for the corner. Very unobtrusive and quiet. Most definitely the best AT out there that I had chance to drive.

Which is the same thing as saying that my kid is the top student in his class. Which happens to be the class of IQ challenged children. Or saying that Jane is the fittest girl of the group and has lowest BMI. The group of girls that just signed up for Weight Watchers.
I dont know (or care) what your problem is.

BJ and I are friends and I was merely pointing out . . . . . . .


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I dont know (or care) what your problem is.

BJ and I are friends and I was merely pointing out . . . . . . .


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What? I said that AT is awesome!
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I had an F30 rental for several days and agree with all the opinions here. The steering, especially at low speeds, was insanely light. Reminded me of my parents old 1985 Chevy Celebrity. The interior was sporty and much more modern, but suffered from way too many cheap plastics. The ride quality was great and the car was a nice highway cruiser.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the headlights? Many of the rentals/loaners have the base headlights. So dim they were scary and flat out dangerous.

That said, comparing a loaded 335i to s stripper 328 really isn't fair. I'd be curious to see how many of these issues are solved on some better optioned models.
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I had an F30 loaner for the three days (??) it took my dealer to replace the vent valve on the emissions system of my 135i. My impressions: I loved the 8 speed AT. It was smooth and quiet. I didn't like much else. Steering was what everyone else has said - too light and noncommunicative. I thought the interior looked and felt cheap. Way too much body roll, and the general handling was "soft". Worst of all... the car has gotten WAY too big. Side by side in the garage - it made my wife's 2011 E91 look small. I've already told several people that I'd never buy another 3 series. I hate saying that, but the F30 is not something we're interested in.
Was at the dealer during lunch today, they finally put Sport line on display, wanted to check out the new sport wheel feel, in process realized just how big the car has gotten. Does not look or feel like a mid-size sports sedan anymore. It's a family hauler.

Thinking of X1 M Sport (sDrive) now, I think it's might be the wagon I was hoping F31 would be.
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Nothing less attractive than a bunch of grumpy used car owners.

That said, you're right about the body roll, the larger dimensions feel perfect after a month, the new AT is fantastic, and the interior is a nice upgrade. So far it looks like none of you have touched the Driver Experience Control, because if you did you'd say that Sport mode is a hell of a lot of fun.

Carry on, you out of style whiners.

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Nothing less attractive than a bunch of grumpy used car owners.

That said, you're right about the body roll, the larger dimensions feel perfect after a month, the new AT is fantastic, and the interior is a nice upgrade. So far it looks like none of you have touched the Driver Experience Control, because if you did you'd say that Sport mode is a hell of a lot of fun.

Carry on, you out of style whiners.

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Thank you for being our guinea pig as BMW pushes its current inventory in order to begin improving the F30's lifeless steering, ASS, and body roll. It's a sacrifice worth yawning about. Job well done, BJ.


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First off, the F30 is breaking all 3 Series sales records so BMW has nothing to worry about. They're not catering to the enthusiast crowd anymore, guess you didn't get the memo.

The steering can be improved by hitting the Sport mode button, something you clearly didn't touch. And if the complaints about vague steering really got loud all BMW would have to do is push out a firmware update to correct it.

ASS is disabled in my car, all one has to do is request BMW to do a free firmware update.

Body roll is eliminated with the Sport line or the Dynamic Handling Package.

Test drive the right configuration, you'll understand. The classic 3 Series handling is no longer standard equipment; you have to pay for it now.

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I found the start/stop disconcerting. It felt like when I was learning how to drive a stick, many many years ago.

The engine is more responsive and the car feels quicker than I thought it would.

No sale without three pedals, but except for the start/stop feature, it wasn't bad.
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First off, the F30 is breaking all 3 Series sales records so BMW has nothing to worry about. They're not catering to the enthusiast crowd anymore, guess you didn't get the memo.

The steering can be improved by hitting the Sport mode button, something you clearly didn't touch. And if the complaints about vague steering really got loud all BMW would have to do is push out a firmware update to correct it.

ASS is disabled in my car, all one has to do is request BMW to do a free firmware update.

Body roll is eliminated with the Sport line or the Dynamic Handling Package.

Test drive the right configuration, you'll understand. The classic 3 Series handling is no longer standard equipment; you have to pay for it now.

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The sport suspension was an extra cost option on the E9x.

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It was standard on the E92 but you had to order the sports package to get it on the E90 and E93.

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Nothing less attractive than a bunch of grumpy used car owners.

That said, you're right about the body roll, the larger dimensions feel perfect after a month, the new AT is fantastic, and the interior is a nice upgrade. So far it looks like none of you have touched the Driver Experience Control, because if you did you'd say that Sport mode is a hell of a lot of fun.

Carry on, you out of style whiners.

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IMO, the interior is a serious downgrade. Lot of cheap plastic, weird shapes and angles. Reminds me of the past gen C-class.

The interior and steering are the main shortcomings of the F30. Otherwise, it is a nice upgrade.
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You are missing my point.

The base suspension on the E90 gave you that legendary handling feel. Steering, suspension, cornering, it was all there. Standard equipment on every 3 Series since 1980.

With the F30, that legendary feel has been altered and softened. It is no longer standard with the car. You now have to add either the Sport line (RWD) or the Dynamic Handling Package (XDrive) to get it back. They would correctly view the F30 standard suspension as unusually soft, a bit floaty, and sense body roll. They would feel the steering is disconnected and vague.

So those who wind up with an F30 loaner aren't doing the F30 justice as they are enthusiasts who would pay the $1000 to get the spirited, firm handling back. They would then be amazed to find that the car is faster, has more torque, is loaded with features, has a very nice interior design, and still has the legendary 3 Series handling.

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IMO, the interior is a serious downgrade. Lot of cheap plastic, weird shapes and angles. Reminds me of the past gen C-class.

The interior and steering are the main shortcomings of the F30. Otherwise, it is a nice upgrade.
As a fellow E93 and E90 owner I can tell you that the interior materials are exactly the same. Same grade of plastic, same grades of wood, same semi-padded door and console materials.

As for the shapes and angles, I find them very reminiscent of the 6 Series which is drop-dead gorgeous. I always found the E9X interiors to be remarkably bland. The F30 interior is clearly the new BMW look for the next six years. So either get used to it or consider another brand.

Styling is a matter of personal taste. The quality of the materials is exactly the same. The handling is equal if one spends the money for a Sport line or the DHP. The size is something you get used to quickly. The new toys and gadgets are mind blowing if that matters to you. That about sums up what the new 3 offers.

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You are missing my point.

The base suspension on the E90 gave you that legendary handling feel. Steering, suspension, cornering, it was all there. Standard equipment on every 3 Series since 1980.

With the F30, that legendary feel has been altered and softened. It is no longer standard with the car. You now have to add either the Sport line (RWD) or the Dynamic Handling Package (XDrive) to get it back. They would correctly view the F30 standard suspension as unusually soft, a bit floaty, and sense body roll. They would feel the steering is disconnected and vague.

So those who wind up with an F30 loaner aren't doing the F30 justice as they are enthusiasts who would pay the $1000 to get the spirited, firm handling back. They would then be amazed to find that the car is faster, has more torque, is loaded with features, has a very nice interior design, and still has the legendary 3 Series handling.

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I test drove both the base car and the sport package before I purchased the 335i. I definitely preferred the handling of the sport suspension, The base was very good but it wasn't great. Of course I had issues with the harshness of the sport suspension (which I rectified) so in a nutshell "legendary" or not it seems that BMW is still having an issue coming up with a good balance of ride and handling because with the technology available today excessive body lean is IMO inexcusable.

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Nothing less attractive than a bunch of grumpy used car owners.

That said, you're right about the body roll, the larger dimensions feel perfect after a month, the new AT is fantastic, and the interior is a nice upgrade. So far it looks like none of you have touched the Driver Experience Control, because if you did you'd say that Sport mode is a hell of a lot of fun.

Carry on, you out of style whiners.

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I test drove both the base car and the sport package before I purchased the 335i. I definitely preferred the handling of the sport suspension, The base was very good but it wasn't great. Of course I had issues with the harshness of the sport suspension (which I rectified) so in a nutshell "legendary" or not it seems that BMW is still having an issue coming up with a good balance of ride and handling because with the technology available today excessive body lean is IMO inexcusable.

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I actually think the F30 is closer to the optimal ride handling trade off than the E9x. The sporty versions of the F30 feel a lot less flinty to me than the E9x ZSP.
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So those who wind up with an F30 loaner aren't doing the F30 justice as they are enthusiasts who would pay the $1000 to get the spirited, firm handling back. They would then be amazed to find that the car is faster, has more torque, is loaded with features, has a very nice interior design, and still has the legendary 3 Series handling.

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I admitted in my review that comparing a loaded E90 335i to a stripped-down F30 328 wasn't really a fair comparison.

That said, no amount of options can decrease the car's size. I couldn't stand seeing the bulbous hood in my line of sight.

Some of us who get old, fat and financially successful may enjoy throwing money in the toilet just to have a "new" car. The latest toy. The latest status symbol. Others of us just like to drive. And it's widely accepted that the smaller E90 is a better driver's car. I'd even say that many consider the E46 to be a better driver's car than the E90. I could easily afford a new F30 if I wanted one. But I don't.

BJ, why are you even in this thread? Aren't you too good to hang with us who are too poor to achieve your elite level of status? Better be careful you don't get caught in this forum. It might hurt your status.
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I actually think the F30 is closer to the optimal ride handling trade off than the E9x. The sporty versions of the F30 feel a lot less flinty to me than the E9x ZSP.
Since the E9x sport sport suspension was not remotely close to an optimum ride handling trade off,

1. You are probably right about the F30 sport being closer to an optimum trade off than the E9x.

2, That is a minor achievement.

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I admitted in my review that comparing a loaded E90 335i to a stripped-down F30 328 wasn't really a fair comparison.

That said, no amount of options can decrease the car's size. I couldn't stand seeing the bulbous hood in my line of sight.

Some of us who get old, fat and financially successful may enjoy throwing money in the toilet just to have a "new" car. The latest toy. The latest status symbol. Others of us just like to drive. And it's widely accepted that the smaller E90 is a better driver's car. I'd even say that many consider the E46 to be a better driver's car than the E90. I could easily afford a new F30 if I wanted one. But I don't.

BJ, why are you even in this thread? Aren't you too good to hang with us who are too poor to achieve your elite level of status? Better be careful you don't get caught in this forum. It might hurt your status.
When I grow up I hope to be able to afford an F30.

At this point it does not seem likely that will happen (growing up).

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I admitted in my review that comparing a loaded E90 335i to a stripped-down F30 328 wasn't really a fair comparison.

That said, no amount of options can decrease the car's size. I couldn't stand seeing the bulbous hood in my line of sight.

Some of us who get old, fat and financially successful may enjoy throwing money in the toilet just to have a "new" car. The latest toy. The latest status symbol. Others of us just like to drive. And it's widely accepted that the smaller E90 is a better driver's car. I'd even say that many consider the E46 to be a better driver's car than the E90. I could easily afford a new F30 if I wanted one. But I don't.

BJ, why are you even in this thread? Aren't you too good to hang with us who are too poor to achieve your elite level of status? Better be careful you don't get caught in this forum. It might hurt your status.
You keep talking about the size of the F30 but it's a measly 4 inches longer than the E90 and the width is about the same. It weighs about 50 pounds more. It's picking nits although I agree on the hood but that is far from a deal killer. It's also something forced on BMW by regulations.
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You keep talking about the size of the F30 but it's a measly 4 inches longer than the E90 and the width is about the same. It weighs about 50 pounds more. It's picking nits although I agree on the hood but that is far from a deal killer. It's also something forced on BMW by regulations.
Totally agree with you, Michael. The size of the F30 is a non-issue.

And, the long beak may be forced on BMW by the regulators but it still works. I think the F30 looks crisp and sporty.

Oh, and the more BJ posts here, the happier I'll be!
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Old 04-30-2013, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Spagolli94 View Post
I admitted in my review that comparing a loaded E90 335i to a stripped-down F30 328 wasn't really a fair comparison.

That said, no amount of options can decrease the car's size. I couldn't stand seeing the bulbous hood in my line of sight.

Some of us who get old, fat and financially successful may enjoy throwing money in the toilet just to have a "new" car. The latest toy. The latest status symbol. Others of us just like to drive. And it's widely accepted that the smaller E90 is a better driver's car. I'd even say that many consider the E46 to be a better driver's car than the E90. I could easily afford a new F30 if I wanted one. But I don't.

BJ, why are you even in this thread? Aren't you too good to hang with us who are too poor to achieve your elite level of status? Better be careful you don't get caught in this forum. It might hurt your status.
Spag says it all
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