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F30 - 1 day, had loaner during battery recall...
A 24 hour loaner is your basis? Was it a base model? I had a base X3 as a loaner and not inspiring at all yet my Daughter drives a loaded X3 which is completely different and much nicer!
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:12 PM
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How much test drive?
I had an E90 328i for a month or so when my E46 M3 was in the shop. I didn't like the interior at all. F30 is pretty awesome to me.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:25 PM
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the sonata was pretty nice for a kia its nice.i agree out dated body and cheap interior but compared to the other Kia 's it's premium build quick fast.get it loaded .for a rental it wasn't that bad
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:50 PM
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A 24 hour loaner is your basis? Was it a base model? I had a base X3 as a loaner and not inspiring at all yet my Daughter drives a loaded X3 which is completely different and much nicer!
The loaner was 328i sport line.. I have driven the ///M sport 335i as well...
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Acura TSX (the first gen is the only one I test drove). If you think this car is sporty, you need to get out more. When I told the salesman it wasn't very sporty, he looked at me like I had three heads.

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Old 04-24-2013, 05:07 PM
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V8 M3 - you have to be on a track or in Europe to really enjoy it. S65 is lackluster in every day driving: needs to be wound up like a VTEC, no spectacular exhaust note (in comparison to other V8 performance cars), poor gas mileage.
So basically like every M3 then?

I wouldn't want them any other way.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:19 AM
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i've never actually driven the m3, but i'd probably agree with this one, just based on the power curves.


In every day driving you dont need 400+ hp and that little torque.


I wish BMW would make a package that would actually put everything from a real M car in say a 328 other than the engine and the flared arches and such (i have an m-sport now and i know its mostly cosmetic, but I mean a super M sport or something)

I'd rather have a 335i most days than an m3 for actual driving with some money for carefully chosen mods.
I'd disagree. The merits of the M3 are not necessarily it's top speed, it's the 0-60 - which you can do in many places.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:29 AM
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funny, the 335 has more torque than the m3. the m3 is better if you track it and really drive it hard as hell all the time. but most backroads dont have the capacity to handle that or allow you to really wake up the engine. so otherwise you're just paying 10 grand more for status and the badge, and the ability to furrow your brow and pout your lips at every kid in a 335 that goes by
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:35 AM
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the sonata was pretty nice for a kia its nice.i agree out dated body and cheap interior but compared to the other Kia 's it's premium build quick fast.get it loaded .for a rental it wasn't that bad
Isn't Sonata a hyandai?

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funny, the 335 has more torque than the m3. the m3 is better if you track it and really drive it hard as hell all the time. but most backroads dont have the capacity to handle that or allow you to really wake up the engine. so otherwise you're just paying 10 grand more for status and the badge, and the ability to furrow your brow and pout your lips at every kid in a 335 that goes by
Is the m3 only 10k more then the 335?

You can look at the paper stats all day long, m3 is hands down faster and quicker then the 335 and has better handling (due to improved suspension, brakes) then the 335.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:39 AM
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funny, the 335 has more torque than the m3. the m3 is better if you track it and really drive it hard as hell all the time. but most backroads dont have the capacity to handle that or allow you to really wake up the engine. so otherwise you're just paying 10 grand more for status and the badge, and the ability to furrow your brow and pout your lips at every kid in a 335 that goes by
I put down more tq than an M3 with n N20. Lol. Big whoop. Just the proper LSD of the M3 is worth $2500 of that difference. M cars often add up to more than the sum if their parts, just feel a bit special.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:54 AM
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The Hyundai is an appliance and doesn't pretend to be anything else. Still looks good to me. Who in their right mind buys a non-Quattro A6? I didn't even know Audi made one. The F30 is still the sportiest car in it's segment. I too had one as a loaner this week and found it less connected to the road than my E90. Still a damn nice car but needs better steering and brake feel. As far as the E90 being a sports car, it's not and does not pretend to be so. It's a very sporty family sedan.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:09 AM
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The Hyundai is an appliance and doesn't pretend to be anything else. Still looks good to me. Who in their right mind buys a non-Quattro A6? I didn't even know Audi made one. The F30 is still the sportiest car in it's segment. I too had one as a loaner this week and found it less connected to the road than my E90. Still a damn nice car but needs better steering and brake feel. As far as the E90 being a sports car, it's not and does not pretend to be so. It's a very sporty family sedan.
All season tired Sport F30s have ****ty brake feel. Sorry.

The pads are low dust, but lack bite and confidence. The 225 width rear all season tires just make it worse.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:31 AM
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Thanks, E90 is overrated as well.. you are right. I've owned it now for 4 years and it is not a sports car IMO. Yeah people are delusional if they think the E90 is a sports car. It has a sporty feel and a little fun to drive.. that's about it.
I don't recall anyone thinking an E90 a sports car, but a lot of F30 owners seem to start thinking of their F30s in that direction.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:45 AM
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All season tired Sport F30s have ****ty brake feel. Sorry.

The pads are low dust, but lack bite and confidence. The 225 width rear all season tires just make it worse.
I have a 2011 E90 with 225 all seasons and the brake feel is in a totally different class than the F30. The F30 pedal is soft in comparison. By the way tires effect braking distance but not pedal feel but yes, the pads are mainly to blame.
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I have a 2011 E90 with 225 all seasons and the brake feel is in a totally different class than the F30. The F30 pedal is soft in comparison. By the way tires effect braking distance but not pedal feel but yes, the pads are mainly to blame.
The e90 brakes were better than f30 brake in terms of feel until I drove an Msport F30. Then it felt like a BMW again.

I did not say tires affect pedal feel, but overall confidence. All season tired Sport is the car I am referencing as I spent a week driving one, so it was the pads combined with the tires that I say=****ty.
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this thread will implode soon....but yeah, Camaro (recent gen) very highly overrated. I may be too short to drive it though (at 5'10")
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In every day driving you dont need 400+ hp and that little torque...
Exactly. I want/need more torque than HP 99% of the time.


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...I'd rather have a 335i most days than an m3 for actual driving with some money for carefully chosen mods.
I'd rather have my 328i than a 335i most days for actual driving.....whoops, sorry.
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So basically like every M3 then?

I wouldn't want them any other way.
I've only been a passenger in the older M3 cars but from what I can tell/remember, the previous generations were clearly more superior by a much wider margin to their competition/contemporaries. With the E90/E92, cars from Audi and MB have significantly narrowed the gap with very compelling alternatives to the King.

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....backroads dont have the capacity to handle that or allow you to really wake up the engine. so otherwise you're just paying 10 grand more for status and the badge, and the ability to furrow your brow and pout your lips at every kid in a 335 that goes by
Indeed! I know a guy who defected to AMG and he is of the opinion that the E92 M3, as good as it is, is simply very popular in no small part due to heritage: the greatness of the E46 M3. E46 ZHP drivers were not nearly quite as "uppity" as some in the 335 crowd.

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I put down more tq than an M3 with n N20. Lol. Big whoop. Just the proper LSD of the M3 is worth $2500 of that difference. M cars often add up to more than the sum if their parts, just feel a bit special.
They do have that special feel although I'm not sure if 9 out of 10 buyers drive well enough to benefit LSD.

And what was that old saying, you buy HP but what you really drive is torque?
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Isn't Sonata a hyandai?



Is the m3 only 10k more then the 335?

You can look at the paper stats all day long, m3 is hands down faster and quicker then the 335 and has better handling (due to improved suspension, brakes) then the 335.
Pretty much this. I would take ANY generation M3 over the 335. M cars are just so much more special.
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The Hyundai is an appliance and doesn't pretend to be anything else. Still looks good to me. Who in their right mind buys a non-Quattro A6? I didn't even know Audi made one. The F30 is still the sportiest car in it's segment. I too had one as a loaner this week and found it less connected to the road than my E90. Still a damn nice car but needs better steering and brake feel. As far as the E90 being a sports car, it's not and does not pretend to be so. It's a very sporty family sedan.
They make a FWD A8, as well. I don't know if they pulled it from all markets, yet.
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:28 AM
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I've only been a passenger in the older M3 cars but from what I can tell/remember, the previous generations were clearly more superior by a much wider margin to their competition/contemporaries. With the E90/E92, cars from Audi and MB have significantly narrowed the gap with very compelling alternatives to the King.

Indeed! I know a guy who defected to AMG and he is of the opinion that the E92 M3, as good as it is, is simply very popular in no small part due to heritage: the greatness of the E46 M3. E46 ZHP drivers were not nearly quite as "uppity" as some in the 335 crowd.

They do have that special feel although I'm not sure if 9 out of 10 buyers drive well enough to benefit LSD.

And what was that old saying, you buy HP but what you really drive is torque?
So basically you are bashing the M3 based on hearsay and your experience as a passenger?

I must have two of the most overrated BMWs ever produced because the torque from the S65 and the S54 is nothing like the N55 or N20.

And if 9 out 10 drivers cannot benefit from all the stuff that the car offers, it's overrated? Gee... add the 328i to the list since 9 of 10 328i buyers get it for the roundel as a status symbol.
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So basically you are bashing the M3 based on hearsay and your experience as a passenger?

I must have two of the most overrated BMWs ever produced because the torque from the S65 and the S54 is nothing like the N55 or N20.

And if 9 out 10 drivers cannot benefit from all the stuff that the car offers, it's overrated? Gee... add the 328i to the list since 9 of 10 328i buyers get it for the roundel as a status symbol.
Yeap. Also why get RWD? 9 of 10 buyers will probably never benefit from it. The M is in a different league than the 335. I never understood why people compare the 335 to the M.
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Acura TSX (the first gen is the only one I test drove). If you think this car is sporty, you need to get out more. When I told the salesman it wasn't very sporty, he looked at me like I had three heads.

Any Mazda.
No way can I agree with this. I actually found the first generation TSX just as sporty a MK6 GTI. I spent a significant time with the two. I was actually surprised how sporty and underrated the TSX was.
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Yeap. Also why get RWD? 9 of 10 buyers will probably never benefit from it. The M is in a different league than the 335. I never understood why people compare the 335 to the M.

people compare the 335 to the M as a daily driver because the performance is comparable at a lower average speed (such as one you would find when using it on a daily basis in commuting on back roads). The M is in a different league, just a shame you cant really experience it unless you track it or drive it like an idiot on backroads thinking you're on a racetrack, putting everyone else's lives at risk and reinforcing the BMW douche stereotype
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