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It's official now! 335i 8AT 0-60 tested as 4.6 seconds by CD

Nice! I think it's official now. This is the end of long lasting 328 vs 335 dogfight. WE finally have the test results from same source.

328 8AT 0-60 5.6 seconds
335 8AT 0-60 4.6 seconds

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One whole freaking second in this range is awesome! Considering MT rated 335 8AT as 4.7 seconds, I guess these numbers are very reliable. Sweet!!
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Old 04-27-2013, 06:28 AM
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Nice! I think it's official now. This is the end of long lasting 328 vs 335 dogfight. WE finally have the test results from same source.

328 8AT 0-60 5.6 seconds
335 8AT 0-60 4.6 seconds

One whole freaking second in this range is awesome! Considering MT rated 335 8AT as 4.7 seconds, I guess these numbers are very reliable. Sweet!!
Really nice numbers for the 335 and the other two are on pair with the 328. Sadly, I don't remember the last time 3 series lost a C & D comparison. First it was ranked behind the ATS and C350 by MT http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...50_comparison/ and now behind the IS350. How times have changed.

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Old 04-27-2013, 06:49 AM
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Nice! I think it's official now. This is the end of long lasting 328 vs 335 dogfight. WE finally have the test results from same source.

328 8AT 0-60 5.6 seconds
335 8AT 0-60 4.6 seconds

One whole freaking second in this range is awesome! Considering MT rated 335 8AT as 4.7 seconds, I guess these numbers are very reliable. Sweet!!
As mentioned on the other forum, it is cool that the other two cars put up 328 numbers. 4.6 for the 335, that's movin !

As to your 335 vs 328 assertion about being official, how so, where is your 5.6 coming from? The 4.6 is obviously from CD in a 19" wheel summer tired MSport. Your 5.6 is from CD with similar summer tires, or from another source?
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Old 04-27-2013, 06:50 AM
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Really nice numbers for the 335 and the other two are on pair with the 328. Sadly, I don't remember the last time 3 series lost a C & D comparison. First it was ranked behind the ATS and C350 by MT http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...50_comparison/ and now behind the IS350. How times have changed.
The 335 I think lost against the S4 as well.
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As mentioned on the other forum, it is cool that the other two cars put up 328 numbers. 4.6 for the 335, that's movin !

As to your 335 vs 328 assertion about being official, how so, where is your 5.6 coming from? The 4.6 is obviously from CD in a 19" wheel summer tired MSport. Your 5.6 is from CD with similar summer tires, or from another source?



From CD also:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review

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Old 04-27-2013, 07:32 AM
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Oh I see...

The other mags that have tested both have had similar times, about .8-.9 between the two from 0-60. I can see the added traction of the 255's summer tires on this new MSport test giving it another tenth. Also interesting to note, the 0-60 delta typically shrinks some by the 1/4. That means the added power of the 335 REALLY benefits from the wider/stickier rubber at launch. I look forward to the first magazine test of an MSport 328 with the same tires.

It's also good to finally see MSport's trickle in now, first with Motorweek/USA today with the 328 and now CD with the 335. The better tires and brakes help the cause.
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It sounds like the 335 they tested didn't have DHP. Did I miss that in the article?
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I personally can't stand how the Lexus looks inside or out...I can't believe it got rated so highly on styling.
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It sounds like the 335 they tested didn't have DHP. Did I miss that in the article?
I know I have seen higher skid pad numbers on the F30 at .90-.91, but forget if those were 328's and or DHP cars.
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I personally can't stand how the Lexus looks inside or out...I can't believe it got rated so highly on styling.
That and the fact that the other two cars tested do not offer manuals, while the 335 does in both RWD and AWD.
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I know I have seen higher skid pad numbers on the F30 at .90-.91, but forget if those were 328's and or DHP cars.
Yeah. It would be interesting to know if this test was done with DHP or not. From what I've heard about DHP (haven't driven one yet), it seems like that may solve some of their complaints, but if the test WAS done with DHP, then that makes me a little concerned.
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I guess 335 lost mostly on its steering response, which is fair considering it's even worse than my humble TL IMHO.
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Yeah. It would be interesting to know if this test was done with DHP or not. From what I've heard about DHP (haven't driven one yet), it seems like that may solve some of their complaints, but if the test WAS done with DHP, then that makes me a little concerned.
After reading the article and the other thread, I think it did have it.
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That and the fact that the other two cars tested do not offer manuals, while the 335 does in both RWD and AWD.
Yeap. I really don't care about the complaints about the CUE with the ATS or the styling with the IS350 but no manual is an absolute deal breaker. So the IS350 is out and the only other option is the 2.0T ATS.
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Yeap. I really don't care about the complaints about the CUE with the ATS or the styling with the IS350 but no manual is an absolute deal breaker. So the IS350 is out and the only other option is the 2.0T ATS.
Every first person account of the ATS manual is that its a huge let down. I am hoping for more out of the ATSV which I will cross shop as a replacement for my car.
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Every first person account of the ATS manual is that its a huge let down. I am hoping for more out of the ATSV which I will cross shop as a replacement for my car.
I test drove an ATS manual. Really didn't feel that different from my 328. Might have liked the pedals a little better even.
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I test drove an ATS manual. Really didn't feel that different from my 328. Might have liked the pedals a little better even.
Heard no complaints about pedals, more so gearing and shift quality.
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I test drove an ATS manual. Really didn't feel that different from my 328. Might have liked the pedals a little better even.
I test drove one too. It just didn't seem as nimble as the 328. It felt "heavier" in the corners and just flat out less fun to drive. I know a lot of it is completely subjective, but I still preferred the 328.
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Every first person account of the ATS manual is that its a huge let down. I am hoping for more out of the ATSV which I will cross shop as a replacement for my car.
I can't comment on the ATS manual from experience but there are few ex M power and 335 owners on Cadillac forums. I remember reading a thread about it and to my surprise a lot the ex BMW drivers liked the manual in the ATS. It seems that it is less "sloppy" than the one in the E90 but a little too notchy (which I personally like). It was also revised from the pre-production models that received negative reviews.
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I can't comment on the ATS manual from experience but there are few ex M power and 335 owners on Cadillac forums. I remember reading a thread about it and to my surprise a lot the ex BMW drivers liked the manual in the ATS. It seems that it is less "sloppy" than the one in the E90 but a little too notchy (which I personally like). It was also revised from the pre-production models that received negative reviews.
My e36/7 is a bit notchy but otherwise a bit snickety which I like. I prefer a bit notchy to a bit vague. The 328 is a bit ropey compared to my other car.
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My e36/7 is a bit notchy but otherwise a bit snickety which I like. I prefer a bit notchy to a bit vague. The 328 is a bit ropey compared to my other car.
I lived with a very sloppy manual in my VR6 and I did not think it was that bad, so I am hoping I will like the one in the ATS. I think BMW manuals are good but the best ones I drove were in Honda products (ex. 2007 TSX and 2008 TL-S). They were pretty much razor sharp and make VW manuals seem like they are made out of rubber.
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Has anyone here replaced the stock performance summer runflats with real tires, e.g., Michelin PSS? If so, how does that change steering response? In my 535, the steering feel improved enormously when I put PSS on. I'm planning to do the same with my 335 M Sport.

If the steering feel does improve, then I'd have to say BMW is shooting itself in the wheel with these runflats. They're going to keep getting these numb steering reviews.
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Has anyone here replaced the stock performance summer runflats with real tires, e.g., Michelin PSS? If so, how does that change steering response? In my 535, the steering feel improved enormously when I put PSS on. I'm planning to do the same with my 335 M Sport.

If the steering feel does improve, then I'd have to say BMW is shooting itself in the wheel with these runflats. They're going to keep getting these numb steering reviews.
Jamesviggen has PSSs on his 328 m sport. Also very lightweight wheels.
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Has anyone here replaced the stock performance summer runflats with real tires, e.g., Michelin PSS? If so, how does that change steering response? In my 535, the steering feel improved enormously when I put PSS on. I'm planning to do the same with my 335 M Sport.

If the steering feel does improve, then I'd have to say BMW is shooting itself in the wheel with these runflats. They're going to keep getting these numb steering reviews.
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Jamesviggen has PSSs on his 328 m sport. Also very lightweight wheels.
The PSS and lighter wheels help the steering feel and feedback a bit for sure. I am buying H&R Sport springs this week, that has been noted to have a positive affect on the steering as well.
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The PSS and lighter wheels help the steering feel and feedback a bit for sure. I am buying H&R Sport springs this week, that has been noted to have a positive affect on the steering as well.
I was actually thinking of H&R springs as well because I don't like the front wheel gap on my Sportline (even on my RWD). I am a total noob with this....could I just get the springs for the front wheels? Or...is that really unorthodox? Also, would those springs affect my warranty? Finally, I can see the springs are listed online for around $260....is that for a set of four? Only two? How many hours of labor for the install?


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