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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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My budget for a 328i is low as I currently live off my savings while working on my own ideas.....Thanks!
If you do not have any income coming in, why even consider a $35K car? If the BMW is must have, you could get a reasonable used one or a 320i!
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OP, I recommend you not listen to anyone in this thread about which options are MUST HAVES. You will eventually have every single option listed by different people as a MUST HAVE and you will end up with a $50,000 328i. Here's my recommendation: go drive a base model, and if you like it, then buy it. If you spend forever fretting about which options to get you will make yourself dislike the car before you even buy it.

I was in the same boat as you: I just wanted a simple car that also had a nice driving feel to it and so I went and drove a base 328i and I thought it was just fine. Then I started thinking about it for too long, read too much on these forums, and now I've ended up with an order for a pretty well equipped ActiveHybrid 3, which is probably $10,000 more. I don't regret it, but I was originally trying not to spend too much money.

Now, to go along with everyone else: I would get the lighting package. The xenons look much nicer than the halogens, but is $900 really worth it? It's up to you to decide.
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The 328i is a $35,000 car that can be optioned up to $50,000. The base "stripper" model is a very good car and comes very well equipped. The base car has the same chassis, engine, suspension, etc. as a fully optioned car and offers the same driving experience. The tech options that can run the price up are nice but are by no means something you have to have. My son's fiance just bought a "stripped"328i and she is thrilled with it and feels that it drives noticeably better than her previous car (a Camry). I drove it myself recently and although I prefer the steering feel on the E90 I thought it was a very nice car and well worth the price she paid.

I would say to the OP test drive a "stripped" 328 and a loaded Accord or Camry and make your decision. If you are buying the BMW strictly for the badge chances are the only person you are going to impress is yourself.
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Didn't you read the rest of my post? OP is trying to save money, and he won't be able to if all of the options are MUST HAVES.
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Honestly, if you're living off of savings, I wouldn't even recommend a stripped down 320. Volkswagen GTIs are very nice. Nothing wrong with them at all.
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Honestly, if you're living off of savings, I wouldn't even recommend a stripped down 320. Volkswagen GTIs are very nice. Nothing wrong with them at all.
He's in silicon valley and this is a choice he has made (not been forced into it), so unless he came here to ask us if he can afford it, he probably can...
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He's in silicon valley and this is a choice he has made (not been forced into it), so unless he came here to ask us if he can afford it, he probably can...
Could be, but that is not my interpretation of this. I suppose I would need to know how much he cash he has saved, what his monthly expenses are, what is his long term financial outlook, is he married, does he have kids, etc.

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My budget for a 328i is low as I currently live off my savings while working on my own ideas. So I have been looking at the "striped down" version of 328i. i.e. no metallic paint, no leather, no package etc, just no-trim "Classic Line". The only options are automatic and alarm. The invoice (incl. destination fee) from Edmunds is 35K. How much I have to pay on top of that price in my area? $500 or $1k? Will the stripped down version be delivered sooner or later?

Considering my priority order for options is safety, maintenance cost, convenience, comfort and performance, what are the options I should add if I have extra $3K (excl. tax) to spend?

Try to get some thoughts here before starting to talk to the dealers Thanks!
Valley_nomad, it really depends on your priorities, but DHP, Xenons, BMW assist and rear view camera will be about $3000.00.

Again, like others have suggested, you can get a 320i and even more goodies...Sport package for example.
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Base 3 series is really good car in my opinion, the extra are good to have in any car but not must, there is no less thrill in not having options. Most of the Premium package stuff on E90 is standard (less leather seats). Still great car. 35 K is very good price considering most non premium sedans are reaching 30K.
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The BMW 3 Series is a $50,000 German luxury car.

Once you start stripping out all of its features, it becomes a very expensive car with very few features, and since BMW now forces customers to pay money for the great handling and performance it used to give you for free, it becomes a brutal value.

Unless you must have a BMW for the badge, I strongly suggest you turn your attention to other brands that give you significantly better bang for the buck.

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Honestly, if you're living off of savings, I wouldn't even recommend a stripped down 320. Volkswagen GTIs are very nice. Nothing wrong with them at all.
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Back in the days when the 3 Series gave you a fantastic ride as standard equipment, there was rationale for living without some creature comforts in exchange. Car handled better than anything else on the road, can live without a CD player or heated seats. Treat it like a sports car purchase, you could justify it.

But today, the 3 Series isn't that same car, and a 328i with no Line and no options is just an expensive Acura. Heated seats, leather, navigation, backup camera, full iPhone integration, park distance control, xenon's, we could go on for hours over what's missing vs. a similarly priced car from a brand that isn't BMW.

I have nothing against those who buy stripped 3 Series. But the motive is different now, it's not like the old days, it's not like back when one could say "I bought the car stripped because the great handling was more important to me than gobs of features". That sounded noble. That sounded like someone with his head on straight. It's just not that way anymore. The great handling is available, you just need to pay for it now. And when you do, you make it even harder to justify because of the uptick in price and what's still missing, all those creature comforts.

When you take a car that's designed to be configured at a $50,000 level and strip it down to $35,000, you wind up with a terrible value, and that's what the OP is most concerned with- how much he's getting for what he's spending. And those who think it's still the old-days and they're being noble by eschewing the luxury features wind up just getting the car for the badge which is the exact opposite of their intentions. We have a few posters who had that epiphany, hate to see it happen to anyone else.

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The 328i is a $35,000 car that can be optioned up to $50,000. The base "stripper" model is a very good car and comes very well equipped. The base car has the same chassis, engine, suspension, etc. as a fully optioned car and offers the same driving experience. The tech options that can run the price up are nice but are by no means something you have to have. My son's fiance just bought a "stripped"328i and she is thrilled with it and feels that it drives noticeably better than her previous car (a Camry). I drove it myself recently and although I prefer the steering feel on the E90 I thought it was a very nice car and well worth the price she paid.

I would say to the OP test drive a "stripped" 328 and a loaded Accord or Camry and make your decision. If you are buying the BMW strictly for the badge chances are the only person you are going to impress is yourself.
Same driving experience? Minus the bigger tires, lowered sport suspension, DHP, sports transmission, bigger brakes in msport, etc.
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My budget for a 328i is low as I currently live off my savings while working on my own ideas. So I have been looking at the "striped down" version of 328i. i.e. no metallic paint, no leather, no package etc, just no-trim "Classic Line". The only options are automatic and alarm. The invoice (incl. destination fee) from Edmunds is 35K. How much I have to pay on top of that price in my area? $500 or $1k? Will the stripped down version be delivered sooner or later?

Considering my priority order for options is safety, maintenance cost, convenience, comfort and performance, what are the options I should add if I have extra $3K (excl. tax) to spend?

Try to get some thoughts here before starting to talk to the dealers Thanks!
I'm also for the 320i or a CPO e90 if money is that tight and you're living on savings while doing the self-funded start-up thing. Assuming you're on the peninsula or South Bay, I recommend talking to Audrey at BMW Mountain View. She's very helpful with a no BS approach and would likely agree to a $500 over invoice (that's what we agreed on for a 335 M Sport).

Since performance was last in your list, skip the DHP. If Safety means various drivers aids that will prevent you from crashing, check out their Parking Assist package (I think that's what it's called) for around $1900. If you like comfort / convenience then check out the tech package, which is slightly over your $3k options budget.

Having said all that, I would also consider the advice of others to not buy a new Bimmer right now and stick with what you have, or get something that offers more value per dollar at your current price point.

Good luck on your endeavor, either way!
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Same driving experience? Minus the bigger tires, lowered sport suspension, DHP, sports transmission, bigger brakes in msport, etc.
None of those things matter - in fact they mostly detract - in Bay Area traffic, which is where the OP is.
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None of those things matter - in fact they mostly detract - in Bay Area traffic, which is where the OP is.
The option that will effect driving dynamics the most is the dynamic handling package ($1,000). The DHP is available in all of the lines including the "no" line. The other options available options, although they may be desirable) are all either convenience or cosmetic. "Sport Automatic" is only available on the sport and Msport lines and although a nice feature it is not a huge improvement over the base transmission.

Of course if you opt for an MT if will be the same MT regardless of which line or how the car is optioned. So my point is that a $50,000 "luxury liner" is going to drive pretty much the same as a $38,000 base model and the DHP can be added to either for $1,000. Or you could opt for the sport line ($2,500) which comes with the M-Sport suspension and add the sport transmission ($500). This will still keep the car in the low $40,000 range and although there are thousands of dollars of options available heated seats, heads up display, keyless entry,navigation, etc. as desirable as they may be are not going to change he way the car drives.

Also I am quoting MSRP and most buyers pay less but on a 36 month lease DHP adds about $15/month and a sport line with the sport automatic transmission is about $37/month more than a no line with no options.
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My budget for a 328i is low as I currently live off my savings while working on my own ideas. So I have been looking at the "striped down" version of 328i. i.e. no metallic paint, no leather, no package etc, just no-trim "Classic Line". The only options are automatic and alarm. The invoice (incl. destination fee) from Edmunds is 35K. How much I have to pay on top of that price in my area? $500 or $1k? Will the stripped down version be delivered sooner or later?

Considering my priority order for options is safety, maintenance cost, convenience, comfort and performance, what are the options I should add if I have extra $3K (excl. tax) to spend?

Try to get some thoughts here before starting to talk to the dealers Thanks!
You had performance listed last in your priority list, so if you are going to buy 1 option, maybe it wouldn't be the DHP. Despite some posters opinions on this forum, the car is still very drivable without it.

For me I would get a 328i RWD with 1 option: sport package. Then maybe, if you can squeeze it add xenons for $900 because they look amazing. This is going to add the most "bang for your buck." You will get 18 inch rims and upgraded interior trim (major step up from base 328i), you will also get sport seats and M Sport Suspension - comparable to DHP on a budget.

The car won't look or feel like a barebones 328i anymore. In alpine white or black: you can't go wrong.
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None of those things matter - in fact they mostly detract - in Bay Area traffic, which is where the OP is.
That's like saying having 4 wheel drive doesn't make the car easier to park. Obviously, things that make the car handle better and feel better to drive don't matter so much in stop and go traffic, but if you're buying a BMW for driving performance in stop and go traffic then you're sort of missing the point. The base model does not drive like one with all the driving bits on it. That's not my opinion, that's just a true statement. It's not like this is unique to BMW either, other car makers have options that are not included in the base price, but affect the way the car drives.
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Considering your listed priorities, a basic 3 series is not a bad choice but there are better. BMW's are very safe cars but Volvo's are better. BMW 3 series are reasonably reliable but if you plan on owning it for a long time it will probably become expensive to repair over time. If reliability is a high priority, the competition from Infinity, Acura and Lexus might be better choices.
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You had performance listed last in your priority list, so if you are going to buy 1 option, maybe it wouldn't be the DHP. Despite some posters opinions on this forum, the car is still very drivable without it.

For me I would get a 328i RWD with 1 option: sport package. Then maybe, if you can squeeze it add xenons for $900 because they look amazing. This is going to add the most "bang for your buck." You will get 18 inch rims and upgraded interior trim (major step up from base 328i), you will also get sport seats and M Sport Suspension - comparable to DHP on a budget.

The car won't look or feel like a barebones 328i anymore. In alpine white or black: you can't go wrong.
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The BMW 3 Series is a $50,000 German luxury car.

Once you start stripping out all of its features, it becomes a very expensive car with very few features, and since BMW now forces customers to pay money for the great handling and performance it used to give you for free, it becomes a brutal value.

Unless you must have a BMW for the badge, I strongly suggest you turn your attention to other brands that give you significantly better bang for the buck.

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BJ's got it right again here (IMO). There are a lot of well equiped vehicles out there with great incentives to buy at the 35K + range. I see others have sugested a new 320 as well; may be an option to look into. If you do select the 328i, the $3,850 M Sport option alone would give some goodies with a price very close to your budget, and a driving machine with GREAT looks. M Sport PKG is mostly for show, but it looks damn good going down the road.
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