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Old 08-18-2004, 11:52 AM
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She's back & w/E-36 M3 dual ear differential cover

Stopped by this morning around 10:00 and there was only the wheels, bumper and l/s muffler yet to go on the car.

Came back around 11:30 and progress was halted because the "buttons" for the side of the bumper didn't make it in.

Oh no, we're not stopping because of that! Quick trip home to get the ones I keep in stock

So by 1:00 PM I'm following the Tech's helper driving my car home (drove like a granny). Give him a "quick" ride back to the dealer (now suffering from grinfluenza) and sign off on the car.

It's still pretty dusty, but I can deal with that. I should now have plenty of time to get it back together and cleaned up before HC.

I'll chronicle the details later and Daniel will soon get all my edited pictures so he can get them posted on his site.

I didn't weigh the difference in the two covers (somebody remind me to do that when the Rogue piece arrives) but the weight of the steel added was twelve (12) pounds before final trimming.
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Old 08-18-2004, 12:03 PM
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In parting, the dealer's Tech that did the work was very pleased with the outcome and felt it would stand the test of time.

Check back with me in four or five years, and I'll let you know how it's doing

This is the structure I made up and was added inside the original xmbr to support the dual ear cover.
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Old 08-18-2004, 12:19 PM
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So now that you have a dual ear diff cover on you car... When are you going to help me install mine?

Does this mean that a standard E36 diff will fit in an M coupe now? Or are they different shapes?
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Old 08-18-2004, 12:20 PM
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Woo woo!

Clean/polish/wax crew is ready for this weekend.
Now that's a friend!

Even though the car was bagged, picture three + weeks of bodyshop dust...
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Old 08-18-2004, 12:25 PM
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So now that you have a dual ear diff cover on you car... When are you going to help me install mine?

Does this mean that a standard E36 diff will fit in an M coupe now? Or are they different shapes?
All I knew before buying one, is that they use the same gasket. MrBlonde on B'forums had posted a shot of his earlier this year, but there were no details (that I recall) as to what differential he used. I really just acted on a whim (fueled in part, buy Linko).

The rest was a guess and made up as I went along...
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Now that's a friend!

Even though the car was bagged, picture three + weeks of bodyshop dust...
Yeah, I'm sure it's got a nice film on it. I hope the bagging at least kept it off the ragtop.

I've got a spare air filter or two around if you need one.
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Old 08-18-2004, 01:00 PM
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I know all about that film. Isued to wash it off, too. But now my M Coupe has spent so much time in my workshop I don't bother washing it, I just scrape the residue off with a handful of sand every now and then ;-)
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Randy, would your dealer be willing to do another one? My Coupe is CPO and has no signs of tearing yet...I'd like to keep it that way...

Seriously though...did he say anything? I'm sure there's as much weight on him as there is on you, seeing as you machined all the parts...however it'd be good for all if he and yourself could figure out a way to make up a kit and such -- perhaps even as far as having it endorsed by BMWNA as the "official" repair solution?

My point is that not all of us carry as much weight with our dealers.
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What's the box behind the diff and the electronics in the trunk?
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Randy, would your dealer be willing to do another one? My Coupe is CPO and has no signs of tearing yet...I'd like to keep it that way...
I think they would. I cannot speak for them as far as how payment would be handled though. If you walked up with cash in hand (as opposed to a warranty claim), I'm pretty sure they'd put you in line.


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Seriously though...did he say anything? I'm sure there's as much weight on him as there is on you, seeing as you machined all the parts...however it'd be good for all if he and yourself could figure out a way to make up a kit and such
I'm really not inclined towards offering it as a kit of parts/instructions. Too many variables involved from a quality, let alone liability standpoint. I've now posted the pictures, anybody wants to copy it has all they need.


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-- perhaps even as far as having it endorsed by BMWNA as the "official" repair solution?

Ben, I don't know what you're smoking out there, but if you're going to be at HC, bring some with you and meet me out in the parking lot!


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My point is that not all of us carry as much weight with our dealers.
I understand, really. Kind of a miracle that I got this done (twice, except the 99 still has the original differential cover). I didn't expect them to do it my way, I just wanted the Tech to look at my parts and give me his opinion. After a meeting with them, we all concluded that this (my way; either car's method) was a better long term fix.

My advice to you (and any others) is to just keep watching those areas of your car. It wasn't until I saw a pulled spot weld that I went into action. The ground work (for my versions of a fix) is now done. Time for a durability test now. I'd wait and see what shakes out
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A few pictures from underneath...

My first look under the car after it was finished and painted up. If I didn't know better, I'd swear it came this way from the factory.

The seam sealer gun that Yark invested in (for this project) and the paint I had mixed up to match the E-coat have really made the finished job look just right

I wish that I could've gotten a couple of shots of the finished work underneath before the subframe went back in (but I'm really-really glad they kept up with the progress instead of waiting for my daily visit).
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My first look under the car after it was finished and painted up. If I didn't know better, I'd swear it came this way from the factory.

The seam sealer gun that Yark invested in (for this project) and the paint I had mixed up to match the E-coat have really made the finished job look just right

I wish that I could've gotten a couple of shots of the finished work underneath before the subframe went back in (but I'm really-really glad they kept up with the progress instead of waiting for my daily visit).
Looks good.
Are the rear muffler clamps normal or required for the double eared diff cover.
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I wonder what's the chances of y'all coming back from homecoming with an interest from BMW in helping people with the trunk seperation issue get these kind of fixes made?
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Randy that is some first rate engineering on your part, Looks awesome to
I guess from here we need your address to drop our cars at
You did a awesome job on that cant wait to see it in person
Ill just type in the address to the TP and we can go from there j/k
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Looks good.
Are the rear muffler clamps normal or required for the double eared diff cover.
Normal. The Eisenmann pipes are two (2) piece per side.

From looking at it, I think this swap will work using SuperSprint mufflers too (center inlet). The stock mufflers would'nt fit because of the inlet point being "inside" (Eisenmann is "outside") compounded by the tailpipe support to muffler bracket being right in the way.
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I wonder what's the chances of y'all coming back from homecoming with an interest from BMW in helping people with the trunk seperation issue get these kind of fixes made?
With all the engineers they have on salary, I don't expect I'll lose too much social time at HC answering their questions

But then, their engineers (under) built it in the first place...
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Randy that is some first rate engineering on your part, Looks awesome to
I guess from here we need your address to drop our cars at
You did a awesome job on that cant wait to see it in person
Ill just type in the address to the TP and we can go from there j/k
Thanks Max (and I know you're hard to please)!!

With the mileage on your car, only the ones in the Zentrum will have less stress on their differential mounts
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I think they would. I cannot speak for them as far as how payment would be handled though. If you walked up with cash in hand (as opposed to a warranty claim), I'm pretty sure they'd put you in line.

Care to put a $ figure on your procedure?
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A few parting shots.

After five months, I can almost put this to rest, just need to install the Rogue cover.

All that's left now is the normal preparation for Homecoming
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Most excellant job Randy , and thanks for the install pics. I bet you got a tight end now .
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Most excellant job Randy , and thanks for the install pics. I bet you got a tight end now .
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Thanks Steve! But let's watch the commentary, you know how quickly rumors get started

Truth is, I have only driven it just a few miles (certainly less than 8 miles to/from the dealer). Would've been nice to put a thousand miles on it before heading down to SC.

I do know that the black car feels much better through turns since adding the Ireland bushings.
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Thanks Max (and I know you're hard to please)!!

With the mileage on your car, only the ones in the Zentrum will have less stress on their differential mounts
LOL, after HC I will about double my total mileage, will be great to see you soon
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