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Old 05-13-2013, 06:30 PM
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Flat done with it

So there I was this morning, looking at a sheet metal screw fully inserted in the outside tread of my tire. No prob - I found my tire repair kit -- 60 sec later my tire was good.

Then, a thought....RFT's....officially non-repairable, what's a RFT kind o'guy gonna do in such a fix? He's screwed!

And it isn't just the high cost of tires. It's down time, the inconvenience. An interval lost from profit or pleasure, maybe both, to fix an expensive PITA, the greater cost being an owner's time anyway.

Satisfaction washed across and soaked my Wah....Michelin PSS....Conti ComfortKit, need be. Didn't even remove the wheel.


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Old 05-13-2013, 06:40 PM
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So, just a question, Cal:

Would it have bothered you for a cool California minute to use your Conti Comfort Kit if you knew you were going to give the TPM inside the tire a veritable Tsunami of Goo?

And if not, what is your strategy for dealing with a TPM all Goo'd up?

It really is a serious question. . . .
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:44 PM
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So, just a question, Cal:

Would it have bothered you for a cool California minute to use your Conti Comfort Kit if you knew you were going to give the TPM inside the tire a veritable Tsunami of Goo?

And if not, what is your strategy for dealing with a TPM all Goo'd up?

It really is a serious question. . . .

Naw. I'd try a plug first, but the ComfortKit's one of those when-you're-really-alone kind o'things. Bonus: Don't have to use the goo if you gotta plug - but can use the compressor.

I've used plugs afore and keep a pkg in my trunk. That's low cost insurance!
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Work on RFTs too, no goo needed.
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:57 PM
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Okay, just asking. I bought a set of plugs which, I too, keep in my trunk. I'm still waffling on replacing my tires with Go-Flats and a compact spare. Getting the feedback about plugs and the Conti-Kit makes me a little more comfortable about running around town on a weekend and running over an unfortunately placed screw.
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In 91,000 miles I have had three screws in eight tires. I repaired all three tires with the plugs shown in CALWATERBOY's pic. They never leaked. Plugs work fine.
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Re: Flat done with it

Have you ever heard of road hazard protection? Those plugs fail all the time especially on the side walls due to the constant flexing. Go to any decent tire shop or a place that offers warranties. I know that at my tire shop if you got a nail in the sidewall we would replace it at no cost to you under the first 25% and after that its prorated.

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Old 05-13-2013, 07:59 PM
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Have you ever heard of road hazard protection? Those plugs fail all the time especially on the side walls due to the constant flexing. Go to any decent tire shop or a place that offers warranties. I know that at my tire shop if you got a nail in the sidewall we would replace it at no cost to you under the first 25% and after that its prorated.

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You should NEVER plug in the sidewall on any tire, not just run flats. If you are going to repair a tire it should be in the tread and not close to the sidewall. Road hazard is a money-maker for tire dealers not a money saver for you. It is expensive insurance.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:01 PM
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Have you ever heard of road hazard protection? Those plugs fail all the time especially on the side walls due to the constant flexing. Go to any decent tire shop or a place that offers warranties. I know that at my tire shop if you got a nail in the sidewall we would replace it at no cost to you under the first 25% and after that its prorated.

Hey, good luck with that....never had one failure, many moons.

And, I replace sidewall damage.
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First off there are good tire shops and bad tire shops. My tire shop charges NOTHING for road hazard some places charge an arm and a leg. I work at a tire shop that charges NOTHING for the warranty and that includes road hazard. I see those fail all the time. But who am I to say anything.

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So there I was this morning, looking at a sheet metal screw fully inserted in the outside tread of my tire. No prob - I found my tire repair kit -- 60 sec later my tire was good.

Then, a thought....RFT's....officially non-repairable, what's a RFT kind o'guy gonna do in such a fix? He's screwed!

And it isn't just the high cost of tires. It's down time, the inconvenience. An interval lost from profit or pleasure, maybe both, to fix an expensive PITA, the greater cost being an owner's time anyway.

Satisfaction washed across and soaked my Wah....Micheline PSS....Conti ComfortKit, need be. Didn't even remove the wheel.


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Show me any major tire manufacturer that recommends this type of plug to be used for permanent repair. I don't think any will support this.

Show me any major 3rd gen RFT manufacturer that says their tires cannot be repaired under any conditions. I believe all will support a proper repair provided the tire has not otherwise been damaged.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:17 PM
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"Repairing today's tires... Beware of tire plugs!"

Article pretty much slams plugs.

"If you are stuck with a flat, don't have a spare, and need to do an emergency repair, then the use of a tire sealant is preferable to ruining any possibility of repairing the tire with a plug. In fact, some manufacturers are equipping new cars with a can of sealant and an inflator instead of a spare tire to save space and weight. It is possible to wash out the tire sealant and repair a tire properly with the RMA approved method, although getting all of the sealant out can be difficult.
As an important reminder, today's vehicles are required to have a tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) on the every tire rim. Due to the design of the TPMS, adding sealant will void the factory warranty on the sensor and it will need to be replaced and re-programmed. In the case of an emergency situation, you may have no choice but to use the sealant and deal with the consequences at a later time."

RMA being Rubber Manufactures Association.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:42 PM
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Would it have bothered you for a cool California minute to use your Conti Comfort Kit if you knew you were going to give the TPM inside the tire a veritable Tsunami of Goo?

And if not, what is your strategy for dealing with a TPM all Goo'd up?
I carry plugs, tools, a compressor, and a bottle of Slime.

If I ever need the Slime, I have a theory.

The TPMS sensor is a fairly rugged device. It's a MEMS device in a plastic housing. And the entire sensor is already encased in epoxy to protect it from the shocks and G- forces that it experiences as the wheel turns and runs over bumps.

Goo shouldn't affect it, unless the goo is actually blocking the air path to the sensor. I think that's what happens when a sensor fails.

I have this type of sensor, and the air hole is clearly visible.
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If I ever have to use the Slime, I plan to roll the car so that the valve stem is at the 4:00 to 5:00 position. Then I'll add the Slime. The idea is, the Slime should fall away from the sensor, or at best run down the side of the sensor that does not have the air hole.

I haven't tested it. But it's my theory at the moment.

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Boys, boys, boys....

If I even have to visit a tire shop, garage, or wait for AAA it's a convenience and down time issue. Ow!

And my tires have worn out before any o'my plugs failed....more persuaded by experience. Now, I freely admit: I have bad habits. I take corners way too fast and, I like to fiddle with my suspension/alignment. I use the enhanced power of my ride. I buy at least 1 tire every year, usually more.

Now then. Is it BMW's policy that RFT's should not be repaired? Yo! Pull back on them reins! Not talking about this mfg or that, or various tire shops. Talkin' about the big Kahuna, the Kaiser, the Merkel of Europeans cars: BMW



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have you ever seen your tpms sensor TXfred? you dont know for sure that your tpms sensor is fully sealed, if you put slime in your tire no matter which way you put it in the tpms is going to get wet in almost all cases it does no harm, but in some cases the tpms has been cracked from improper installation and the slime gets in it.
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have you ever seen your tpms sensor TXfred?
Yup, saw them when I bought them and handed them over to the tire guys to install them. They're the same make and model that I linked to.

I'm not saying that my method is guaranteed to work, but it's what I'm going to try if I ever need to.

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I have plugged more tires than I can remember and never replaced until tread was worn. If you take it to a tire shop, most of the time, they won't even repair it due to "liability" issues and then they try to get you to buy a new tire. I gave up so I either plug and go or plug and replace. If Cal is smokin' around on his plugged tires and still alive, there must be something to it. I concur. I do need to get an inflator though as I've always had spares.
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I've been plugging tires for over twenty years. The only problem I have ever had was one plug that worked loose because the hole was too big. I doubled up with two plugs and it held until the tire needed to be replaced due to wear over a year later.

What's the big risk in using plugs? Even if they fail the tire just goes slowly flat, it doesn't explode or anything. Tires can come apart when they go flat if you continue to drive on them but with pressure sensors you will be warned in time to prevent the tire from shredding.

I know that most repair shops and tire stores won't install plugs but I think it is a profit issue. There isn't much profit in a ten dollar repair when your business model is predicated on selling tires.
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Have you ever heard of road hazard protection? Those plugs fail all the time especially on the side walls due to the constant flexing. Go to any decent tire shop or a place that offers warranties. I know that at my tire shop if you got a nail in the sidewall we would replace it at no cost to you under the first 25% and after that its prorated.

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There is always a consideration for source of information. It's a no-brainer that tire shops would warn you against a very inexpensive tire fix versus tire replacement, where their profit margin is at risk.
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So there I was this morning, looking at a sheet metal screw fully inserted in the outside tread of my tire. No prob - I found my tire repair kit -- 60 sec later my tire was good.

Then, a thought....RFT's....officially non-repairable, what's a RFT kind o'guy gonna do in such a fix? He's screwed!

And it isn't just the high cost of tires. It's down time, the inconvenience. An interval lost from profit or pleasure, maybe both, to fix an expensive PITA, the greater cost being an owner's time anyway.

Satisfaction washed across and soaked my Wah....Michelin PSS....Conti ComfortKit, need be. Didn't even remove the wheel.


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UPDATE: No worries; no pressure drop.
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plugs are fine. even used em on my motorcycle many times with no issues. but wont use them on the front of bike beyond emergency get home. or if I have a high speed deflation and the sidewalls have experienced excessive heat/deformation cycles(again, beyond getting home).

runflat repairs are not recommended because of the risk of just that: driving on them while deflated. you might have major heat damage to the internals of the tire without ever knowing it by just looking at it.

BUT,

if you know you have a slow leak, and have it repaired before it becomes an issue(we all check tire pressures etc regularily, even though we have tpms, right???) then there are really no problems. a tire shop doesn't know if you just drove 200 miles with low or no pressure in your tire. can't really blame them for that. try driving a go flat with 10 psi in it at high speed for an extended time and tell me you can't see the damage.

so really, the construction differences in a rft vs non rft is essentially in the sidewall. and sidewall repairs are a no no for obvious reasons. construction along the actual tread is quite similar, if not identical, so using the same methods to plug/patch a tire would be the same with the same predictable results.


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I had a flat about 3 months ago on my Conti DW GFT. I tried to repair the flat but it was a large slit on the inside sidewall. No idea how it got there. Really a mystery. No way to plug it. Felt like there was no way that the Conti Kit or goo would seal the slit so did not even try. I was on the bottom floor of a garage with low ceilings. No way for a wrecker to get there. No spare tire. So I very, very slowly drove the car up the ramp to an open area outside with the knowledge that I might just be ruining my rim. However, even the GFT held up sufficiently that there was no damage to the rim. That was a very lucky break. After getting to an open area, called a wrecker to come pick it up. But guess what, no Conti DWs to be found in town. Discount Tire can get them to me in about a week. Good thing I have an extra car. If I had known, I probably would not have risked the wheel damage and just left the car in the garage and come back later and removed the wheel and tire, had it repaired/replaced and then put it back on. So vowing never to be stuck like this again, I bought a jack and compact spare and have it available now. I knew the switch to GFTs might cause an inconvenience, however, I never anticipated the extent of this inconvenience.

As an aside, I am unlikely to buy Conti again, as this is the second time it has taken a week to get a replacement tire. According to Discount Tire, Conti manufactures only a limited amount of tires and getting replacements in my size is always a problem.
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UPDATE: No worries; no pressure drop.
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