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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 05-17-2013, 12:59 AM
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I just bought an 08 535i and am looking at buying some new wheels and tires. I found a set of Miro 111 staggered 19" wheels with hancook v12 tires on them. I did some research on the website selling the package but can/t seem to find any info. If any of you guys have dealt with bavarianx before I'd like to know your experience. I'm also looking at buying a JB+ tuner and was curious what you guys thought about them. Thanks for the help. Here is a link to the wheel and tire package: http://www.bavarianx.com/Miro_BMW_ty...hs19520pkg.htm
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:19 AM
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Bavarian X is a pretty good shop, haven't dealt with them personally though. Shop around though, I have seen Miro 111's go for $900 for wheels. That package you posted is $1800, no way those Hankooks are $900 a set ($600 tops). As for tunes for your 535? LOL, I am sure there will be a lot of responses to that one, several members here have pretty beastly 535's
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:32 AM
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I priced those tires with discounttiredirect.com and they came out to $991.32. I've seen the wheels on ebay for $900 free shipping. Then I have to take them and pay to have them mounted and balanced. Has anyone bought any wheels and tires from discount tire? I have one right down the street from the house and would buy from them if I found a set of wheels I liked. Only problem I have is not knowing what they will look like on the car. So many guys on the forum have the miro 111's and I like the way they look so thats why I'm shopping for them. I'm open to suggestions though. I'd like to keep the price under $2k for the package.
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Don't forget to include TPMS, else you'll be driving around with an error light in the dash.
VMR and Avant Garde are other options with similar design. http://www.modbargains.com/BMW-E60-Wheels.htm I also like the Breytons on Tire Rack.
Make sure you get the right offsets, they need to be pushed out some to look good.
Either 18 or 19" depending on the roads where you live.

JB+ is dirt cheap, you can even find them used for around $150. That's because people quickly get on the upgrade path once they discover how easy it is to get more power out of the N54 TT engine. It's like tattoos on your arm. Pretty soon it's up to your neck!
I would recommend JB4 with dual cone intake and USB cable for $600. That will give you 100 hp and access to engine diagnostics. The torque increase is even bigger, which makes the car feel effortless to drive. If you have E85 in your area you can mix 40% with your gas and gain another 20-30 hp. JB4 auto tunes for it to extract max power.
You could also buy a Cobb for around $800-900, but they yield a bit less power and require that you upload different maps for the type of fuel and mods you run.
JB+ adds 60 hp, you see my point?
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Don't forget to include TPMS, else you'll be driving around with an error light in the dash.
VMR and Avant Garde are other options with similar design. http://www.modbargains.com/BMW-E60-Wheels.htm I also like the Breytons on Tire Rack.
Make sure you get the right offsets, they need to be pushed out some to look good.
Either 18 or 19" depending on the roads where you live.

JB+ is dirt cheap, you can even find them used for around $150. That's because people quickly get on the upgrade path once they discover how easy it is to get more power out of the N54 TT engine. It's like tattoos on your arm. Pretty soon it's up to your neck!
I would recommend JB4 with dual cone intake and USB cable for $600. That will give you 100 hp and access to engine diagnostics. The torque increase is even bigger, which makes the car feel effortless to drive. If you have E85 in your area you can mix 40% with your gas and gain another 20-30 hp. JB4 auto tunes for it to extract max power.
You could also buy a Cobb for around $800-900, but they yield a bit less power and require that you upload different maps for the type of fuel and mods you run.
JB+ adds 60 hp, you see my point?

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Don't forget to include TPMS, else you'll be driving around with an error light in the dash.
VMR and Avant Garde are other options with similar design. http://www.modbargains.com/BMW-E60-Wheels.htm I also like the Breytons on Tire Rack.
Make sure you get the right offsets, they need to be pushed out some to look good.
Either 18 or 19" depending on the roads where you live.

JB+ is dirt cheap, you can even find them used for around $150. That's because people quickly get on the upgrade path once they discover how easy it is to get more power out of the N54 TT engine. It's like tattoos on your arm. Pretty soon it's up to your neck!
I would recommend JB4 with dual cone intake and USB cable for $600. That will give you 100 hp and access to engine diagnostics. The torque increase is even bigger, which makes the car feel effortless to drive. If you have E85 in your area you can mix 40% with your gas and gain another 20-30 hp. JB4 auto tunes for it to extract max power.
You could also buy a Cobb for around $800-900, but they yield a bit less power and require that you upload different maps for the type of fuel and mods you run.
JB+ adds 60 hp, you see my point?

Oceans10 you are my hero.. I was leaning towards the COBB but didn't realize the JB4 does all that for so much less money..... Looks like my "wish" list can be ordered now. So you recommend the JB4 with dual cone intake (any brand?) and USB cable all for $600??
Just plug and play, no remapping like the COBB right?
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:36 AM
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Don't forget to include TPMS, else you'll be driving around with an error light in the dash.
VMR and Avant Garde are other options with similar design. http://www.modbargains.com/BMW-E60-Wheels.htm I also like the Breytons on Tire Rack.
Make sure you get the right offsets, they need to be pushed out some to look good.
Either 18 or 19" depending on the roads where you live.

JB+ is dirt cheap, you can even find them used for around $150. That's because people quickly get on the upgrade path once they discover how easy it is to get more power out of the N54 TT engine. It's like tattoos on your arm. Pretty soon it's up to your neck!
I would recommend JB4 with dual cone intake and USB cable for $600. That will give you 100 hp and access to engine diagnostics. The torque increase is even bigger, which makes the car feel effortless to drive. If you have E85 in your area you can mix 40% with your gas and gain another 20-30 hp. JB4 auto tunes for it to extract max power.
You could also buy a Cobb for around $800-900, but they yield a bit less power and require that you upload different maps for the type of fuel and mods you run.
JB+ adds 60 hp, you see my point?
I was looking around at tunes also and this helped me out a lot actually. I had looked at both the jb4 and Cobb tunes.


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Old 05-17-2013, 07:23 AM
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Oceans10 you are my hero.. I was leaning towards the COBB but didn't realize the JB4 does all that for so much less money..... Looks like my "wish" list can be ordered now. So you recommend the JB4 with dual cone intake (any brand?) and USB cable all for $600??
Just plug and play, no remapping like the COBB right?
I know I sound like a sales rep for Burger, but you guys should know that I actually run BOTH Cobb and JB4, just for sake of transparency. This is because Cobb completely replaces BMW's engine management software and actively manages the functions. I use it to gain direct access which allows for more stable fuel management at the levels I need with FBO and RB turbos. With stock turbos it's fine to just use either JB4 or Cobb.

I have always been careful not to pick sides as I have no personal interest in what people choose to use. Some love Cobb because it uploads via the OBDII port, others are scared of losing their warranty. Everyone is different.
The benefit of JB4 is that it is specifically developed for the N54 engine. No other tuning product can claim that. The originator and lead developer lives and breathes this stuff and his support is phenomenal. He drives a 135, a 335 and an X5, all tuned with his chips, which are constantly receiving firmware updates as he discovers new features and power potential. So this is one of the reasons you need to get the USB cable, it allows you to upload new software updates and also run active logs, scan for error codes, clear them, etc.
Just like Cobb, JB4 has some fixed maps where a certain algorithm is hardcoded to run specific air fuel ratios (AFRs), boost levels, timing advance, etc. Cobb tends to favor more boost whereas JB4 aims for more timing advance. So one could argue that at Stage 2 levels they are roughly equal in generating power. However, JB4 has auto tuning facility built into certain maps that make it significantly more effective. So in terms of bang for the buck it's JB4 all the way. More boost, more power at almost half the price (list is $479, Cobb is $900.)
Now let's say someone bought this tuning kit, but wants to take the next step and add hardware (known as bolt ons) like dual cone intake, downpipes, FMIC, methanol kit. JB4 already has support for all of this, you simply select the best map on the steering wheel by pressing a few buttons. You can do this while you are driving even! Map 0 turns the tuning off completely so the car is in stock form. That's what you do when you loan your car out to your brother in law or take it in for a service appointment.
With Cobb you need to load new maps, and it's a process that can take 5-8 minutes each time. It does not have integrated meth support via Fail Safe Box, and they are just now coming out with maps supporting E85 blends. JB4 has been doing that for a year, so they are always ahead of the curve.

I swear on the Bible I am not a commissioned salesman, but here's the link to JB4: http://www.burgertuning.com/
You'll see on the product there are different options to add USB and DCI. The dual cones at modest power north of 4,000 rpms, and they are safe and easy to clean. The more you tune your car, the more good they do. You don't want to starve the turbos for air! Higher boost means more air, so why suck it through a restrictive plastic box with paper filters inside?
You can also find Cobb for a discounted price on that site, so this way I can conveniently claim I am free of excessive bias.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:16 AM
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I know I sound like a sales rep for Burger, but you guys should know that I actually run BOTH Cobb and JB4, just for sake of transparency. This is because Cobb completely replaces BMW's engine management software and actively manages the functions. I use it to gain direct access which allows for more stable fuel management at the levels I need with FBO and RB turbos. With stock turbos it's fine to just use either JB4 or Cobb.

I have always been careful not to pick sides as I have no personal interest in what people choose to use. Some love Cobb because it uploads via the OBDII port, others are scared of losing their warranty. Everyone is different.
The benefit of JB4 is that it is specifically developed for the N54 engine. No other tuning product can claim that. The originator and lead developer lives and breathes this stuff and his support is phenomenal. He drives a 135, a 335 and an X5, all tuned with his chips, which are constantly receiving firmware updates as he discovers new features and power potential. So this is one of the reasons you need to get the USB cable, it allows you to upload new software updates and also run active logs, scan for error codes, clear them, etc.
Just like Cobb, JB4 has some fixed maps where a certain algorithm is hardcoded to run specific air fuel ratios (AFRs), boost levels, timing advance, etc. Cobb tends to favor more boost whereas JB4 aims for more timing advance. So one could argue that at Stage 2 levels they are roughly equal in generating power. However, JB4 has auto tuning facility built into certain maps that make it significantly more effective. So in terms of bang for the buck it's JB4 all the way. More boost, more power at almost half the price (list is $479, Cobb is $900.)
Now let's say someone bought this tuning kit, but wants to take the next step and add hardware (known as bolt ons) like dual cone intake, downpipes, FMIC, methanol kit. JB4 already has support for all of this, you simply select the best map on the steering wheel by pressing a few buttons. You can do this while you are driving even! Map 0 turns the tuning off completely so the car is in stock form. That's what you do when you loan your car out to your brother in law or take it in for a service appointment.
With Cobb you need to load new maps, and it's a process that can take 5-8 minutes each time. It does not have integrated meth support via Fail Safe Box, and they are just now coming out with maps supporting E85 blends. JB4 has been doing that for a year, so they are always ahead of the curve.

I swear on the Bible I am not a commissioned salesman, but here's the link to JB4: http://www.burgertuning.com/
You'll see on the product there are different options to add USB and DCI. The dual cones at modest power north of 4,000 rpms, and they are safe and easy to clean. The more you tune your car, the more good they do. You don't want to starve the turbos for air! Higher boost means more air, so why suck it through a restrictive plastic box with paper filters inside?
You can also find Cobb for a discounted price on that site, so this way I can conveniently claim I am free of excessive bias.
Wow I honestly have to say that this is the best write up I have read for these products, meaning it is straight to the point and pin points the important stuff to us daily drivers.

I am goign to bite the bullet and order my dual cone intake and JB4.... Why not I've been a good boy, hope the wife see's it that way.

I do have one question, in terms of dealership visits, can I just turn it off and they will never see it, or should I physically remove it?
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Be careful with this rim choice.

They are discontinued, and are not of the best quality. When you bend one, you will have a very hard time finding a replacement.
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Be careful with this rim choice.

They are discontinued, and are not of the best quality. When you bend one, you will have a very hard time finding a replacement.
HRE has these still, I sent them my serial number and with that they are sending me a new lip.
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Did I miss something? I thought the OP said miro 111's ?
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The JB4 wiring harness and processor connect inside the white DME box on the passenger side under the cowl. You have to remove a lot of cowl parts to get access to it. BMW techs have no reason to open it up unless they were replacing some engine management cables or connectors. So only the extremely paranoid conspiracy theorists care to remove it. Map 0 is a pass through, so they can't detect it either.
What I do advocate is using your laptop with the JB4 software to scan for any codes prior. You can then delete them if they are boost related. That's another way of eliminating any suspicion.
It's very useful to have this diagnostic capability as we often run into failures of components like spark plugs, ignition coils, high pressure fuel pumps, injectors, diverter valves, etc. The codes will pinpoint your problem so you can fix it, often at a fraction of dealer cost. F.ex it might say Misfire, cylinder 5. Then you know you likely need to replace the coil or spark plug. BMW charges $130 plus tax to do the same diagnostic procedure.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10605
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17441

Specify "ISO" on the order form when you place the order. That's a better version.
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Did I miss something? I thought the OP said miro 111's ?
HAHAHA WOW I need a day off , I confused threads, I have another thread about my wheel that I jus bent.. My bad...
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lmao! I saw that thread too and though to myself "I wonder if he thinks I was talking about that guy who bent his HRE's. I feel bad for that guy!"

That Guy was you!

I'm seriously laughing my butt off!
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Great info here. I have my tuning info down. Now all I need is a good wheel and tire package.
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Tires are a no brainer. Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Say it slowly while you fall asleep tonight. Hang a sign on the refrigerator. Mail yourself a post card.
They are the Ne Plus Ultra of performance tires. M5s come stock with them for a good reason. You need staggered non-RFT set-up. Only dedicated slicks will have better traction.
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lmao! I saw that thread too and though to myself "I wonder if he thinks I was talking about that guy who bent his HRE's. I feel bad for that guy!"

That Guy was you!

I'm seriously laughing my butt off!
Hahahaha tell me about trying to multitask and keep up here is too much..


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Great info here. I have my tuning info down. Now all I need is a good wheel and tire package.
Too bad you're not local, I picked up Vertini Magic Concave with tires for $1900 out the door from a local shop. The Miro's biggest drawback is that they are not made hubcentric for the E60, so you need hub rings or you WILL have vibration. The other thing is they are discontinued.
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Ok scratch the miros. Whats another popular wheel and good tire combo? I should probably mention that this is my wifes daily driver and family road trip car so I don't need crazy performance tires.
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I swear on the Bible I am not a commissioned salesman, but here's the link to JB4: http://www.burgertuning.com/
You'll see on the product there are different options to add USB and DCI. The dual cones at modest power north of 4,000 rpms, and they are safe and easy to clean. The more you tune your car, the more good they do. You don't want to starve the turbos for air! Higher boost means more air, so why suck it through a restrictive plastic box with paper filters inside?
You can also find Cobb for a discounted price on that site, so this way I can conveniently claim I am free of excessive bias.
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What size wheels and tires and how much offset are on the set in your sig booyaazaa? What does a set like that run and where can I find them? There are tons of wheel and tire packages on ebay that are priced crazy cheap but I'm not sure on the brand of tires and wheels they use. Most of them are brands I've never even heard of.
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If you're interested I have a set of satin black 20" Soloforged that were custom made for the E60. They were on my old car, I loved the way they looked, but since my 550 is carbon black and my previous car was silver I don't like the murdered out look my self so I got the machine face Vertinis. My Soloforged could be had for ~$900, they were originally $8000 new, but I got them used but they are in good condition.
Here is my old car with them on:


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20X8.5 Front, 18 mm offset, 3" lip
20X10.5 Rear, 22 mm offset, 4.5" lip
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Do you have any better pics of the wheels? I've thought about going black on the wheels but my car is navy and I haven't found any pics of my cars color with black wheels anywhere online to help me in that decision. Where are you located? Also will I need to put any spacers to fit the wheels on my car or will they fit stock?
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