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Old 05-27-2013, 09:47 AM
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Very roughly, the additional cost of the diesel engine amounts to about $125/year over ten years, and the lost opportunity cost of the money is an additional $100/year. So for average driving distances at average fuel costs, you'll save about 50 cents/day with the diesel engine, and that's with a generous guess of the diesel's mileage. The higher cost of the diesel engine and fuel in the U.S. obliterate most of the potential savings, which is a shame.

Does anyone actually prefer the diesel engine? If so, that would certain factor in.
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Old 05-27-2013, 09:54 AM
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Very roughly, the additional cost of the diesel engine amounts to about $125/year over ten years, and the lost opportunity cost of the money is an additional $100/year. So for average driving distances at average fuel costs, you'll save about 50 cents/day with the diesel engine, and that's with a generous guess of the diesel's mileage. The higher cost of the diesel engine and fuel in the U.S. obliterate most of the potential savings, which is a shame.

Does anyone actually prefer the diesel engine? If so, that would certain factor in.
Personally, it depends on the application. In a sports/performance car definitely not for me. I have two large dogs so I need a wagon or SUV and I'm not going to be driving like a race driver with my dogs with me, so in that application definitely. I had a VW Touareg TDI and highway I'd average 30Mpg which no mid size SUV came close to. The engine pulled like a train from 2000rpm until I hit about 85Mph then it was flat. However, most of my driving is highway and cruising at 75 - 80Mph was all I needed.
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Old 05-27-2013, 11:20 AM
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I hate the sound of diesel engines and while they get better MPG, diesel fuel is more expensive in my area, as well as I like a more equal amount of HP and Torque versus lesser HP and more torque.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:18 AM
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MSRP in the US is $38,600 for the 2014 328d. My production date is week 27.
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Old 05-31-2013, 10:08 AM
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For purchasing purposes, VW diesels among others have tended to have superior resale value to their gasoline counterparts. Perhaps that will not continue to hold true, but it's something else to consider for long-term owners.

I personally drive 15k miles a year right now. At an average of 30mpg, that's 500 gallons of gas let's say at $4 gallon = $2,000 a year. At 40mp for diesel, that's 375 gallons of diesel at $4 a gallon. $500 in fuel savings per year.

In a 3 year lease makes little sense. In a long-term ownership experience, or if I do alot of city driving, or if I like alot of low-end torque...
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:09 PM
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MSRP in the US is $38,600 for the 2014 328d. My production date is week 27.
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:24 PM
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... as well as I like a more equal amount of HP and Torque versus lesser HP and more torque.
So, you spend a lot of time with your gasoline engine revving above 5,000 rpm? You do know that until then you have less hp than the diesel engines which develop their hp at 3-4,000 rpm.
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:36 PM
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I did the M and premium packages. Gunmetal color with black interior.
Will advise when I get a production number...have been waiting awhile for the run to start up.
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Old 05-31-2013, 02:07 PM
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That is definitely not the case here in the North East. Diesel is always about 10 cents/gallon more than premium. Seasons have no impact here.
This is wrong. The price difference between diesel and gasoline fluctuates even more in the northeast due to the heavy use of home heating oil in the winter.

Given the 25% better milage at current prices gasoline needs to be about $1/gallon cheaper for the diesel not to come out ahead. The biggest premium I've ever paid for a gallon of diesel vs premium unleaded is about $0.12 or about 3%. It will be even more with the 328d.
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No 6MT for the 328d = no thanks.
Yeah, I agree that the lack of a manual option makes the 328d is disappointing. However, the 335d, your car, was only available with an automatic as well.
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Giving up the 3rd pedal was a huge compromise in getting the 335d. However, the 425 lb/ft of torque was enough to sway me. The fun factor was still there. However, the specs on the 328d are not nearly as impressive. Plus the 335d wasn't available anywhere with a manual so It's not like the US market got hosed which is the case for the 328d. I would just as soon get a 328i or 335i with a 6MT.
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Many people who have driven the 2L d with both auto and manual prefer auto on the diesel. The power band matches the gearing better, I guess.
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Old 05-31-2013, 05:04 PM
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Many people who have driven the 2L d with both auto and manual prefer auto on the diesel. The power band matches the gearing better, I guess.
I can see that. But last week in Italy I drove an Alfa Romeo Giulletta rental with a 2.0l diesel and a 6MT. It was a blast to drive and it really reminded me of the sacrifice (manual) I made to get the 335d.

I love my D and could see myself keeping her for years if she remains reliable. However, I'm not someone who is attached to diesels per se. The 335d was just an awesome combo of performance, efficiency, and pricing. Unfortunately, BMW seems to be going in a different direction with the F30 diesel and there is no way I would ever buy a F10 535d. The lack of a manual is just a deal breaker for me. Personally, I wouldn't make that sacrifice for the 328d but I can see why others would feel differently. YMMV
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No 6MT for the 328d = no thanks.
+1 Unfortunately true for me as well. The 2 liter diesel is a fantastic engine, perfect for the 3 series, and as much as I'd love to have it, I'm afraid I can't live with a slushbox. I know I'm in the minority, but there are still some guys like us left who need to have a clutch, especially in a BMW.

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+1 Unfortunately true for me as well. The 2 liter diesel is a fantastic engine, perfect for the 3 series, and as much as I'd love to have it, I'm afraid I can't live with a slushbox. I know I'm in the minority, but there are still some guys like us left who need to have a clutch, especially in a BMW.
Agreed.
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A minor but notable factor that pushes me away from diesels is the refueling. I jokingly call the diesel fuel pumps the "three fifths" pumps. They are usually an oily mess, with oil all over the ground and pump itself. Often to pump oil you need to go to secondary location at the station that sometimes lacks the shelter (and attention from the staff) the gasoline pumps enjoy. Even though I live in NJ where we don't have to pump our own fuel, I still find the diesel refueling experience sub par!
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A minor but notable factor that pushes me away from diesels is the refueling. I jokingly call the diesel fuel pumps the "three fifths" pumps. They are usually an oily mess, with oil all over the ground and pump itself. Often to pump oil you need to go to secondary location at the station that sometimes lacks the shelter (and attention from the staff) the gasoline pumps enjoy. Even though I live in NJ where we don't have to pump our own fuel, I still find the diesel refueling experience sub par!
Weird. In 2 years of ownership that includes 2 cross-country drives I've almost never had this problem.


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A minor but notable factor that pushes me away from diesels is the refueling. I jokingly call the diesel fuel pumps the "three fifths" pumps. They are usually an oily mess, with oil all over the ground and pump itself. Often to pump oil you need to go to secondary location at the station that sometimes lacks the shelter (and attention from the staff) the gasoline pumps enjoy. Even though I live in NJ where we don't have to pump our own fuel, I still find the diesel refueling experience sub par!
Scarey thought of the day: 335d goes to get fuel in NJ (or Oregon), and the idiot (supposedly they are more expert than the STANDARD CAR OWNER) they have hired puts in gasoline rather than diesel. Goodbye one toasted $25K motor!

Even the Cenex and other rural (farming) stations have roofs here in WA.
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+1 Unfortunately true for me as well. The 2 liter diesel is a fantastic engine, perfect for the 3 series, and as much as I'd love to have it, I'm afraid I can't live with a slushbox. I know I'm in the minority, but there are still some guys like us left who need to have a clutch, especially in a BMW.
One more under "agree" column. As much as mindless (often brainless) number-crunchers would have you believe that you are in an insignificant minority, I personally don't think so. I believe that most people going into the dealership to check out 328d (and not a "$399/month BMW") are well-informed somewhat car enthusiasts. Chances are pretty high that, in THAT group, those who prefer MT are not in such insignificant minority.

BMW's loss, as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: my other car is Jetta TDI. Soon to be joined by Golf TDI. Both MT, obviously.
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Dealer is offering me $2,000 off msrp for ordering 328d SW. I will be able to use USAA and driving challenge incentives for another $2,500 off. I have never purchased a BMW before so I am wondering if I should be able to do better?
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Dealer is offering me $2,000 off msrp for ordering 328d SW. I will be able to use USAA and driving challenge incentives for another $2,500 off. I have never purchased a BMW before so I am wondering if I should be able to do better?
That's pretty fair. You basically figure that the MSRP is 7% and maybe a tick more than invoice. The salesman won't make any money selling for invoice. The dealership might make enough at invoice but there aren't holdbacks like many car brands have.
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That's pretty fair. You basically figure that the MSRP is 7% and maybe a tick more than invoice. The salesman won't make any money selling for invoice. The dealership might make enough at invoice but there aren't holdbacks like many car brands have.
7% of msrp would be closer to $3,500 on what i would like, so maybe I have a little more room for negotiating. I would also be trading a CRV I own free and clear which has a high trade in value an this dealer is also Honda dealer.
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