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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 06-24-2013, 04:55 PM
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Looks like our inflation is faster than 3%. At 43k 11 years inflating at 3%, you should expect only about 59.5k. This is all starting to make Porches more reasonable.

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Thanks for the calculations

$59k gets you a stripped out F15 it seems. Does make the "jump" to a Cayenne more reasonable. When you option the F15 up, it will hit $70k. A loaded Cayenne (without the stupid PASM, PCCB, exclusive options) is $75k-80k. $80k with the $5,500 extended two-tone leather interior option

Who wouldn't spend $5k more for a Porsche?

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Old 06-24-2013, 08:46 PM
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^they have a wait list and have to pre-order. If it's a Cayenne, be sure it's the S model or above with a Porsche motor (the V6 is a VW motor). All their fun ones start at $80k (big rims, etc goodies).
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:14 PM
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I also had the transmission hesitation in the beginning but after 5k miles I think it gradually learned when I want it to accelerate, and now it is very fun to drive. It is really not such a big deal. The diesel version didn't have this hesitation because it used the 6 speed. Now with 8 speed I think they will have this as well. The X535i's rating for 0~60 is faster than the diesel. Give it some time to learn your driving style.


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The X5 diesel is a whole different animal. What is interesting in that platform was the aggressive discounting to rid the lots of them.

I left the Jeep for the X5 because I had reasonably good experience with the 2008 I had. There were issues with the rattling tailgate latch in the 2008 which many have experienced and commented on, but nothing horrible. I have a 2012 328i convertible that other than being in an accident is a very nice platform. The 2013 X5 is a whole different story. The tranny issues are well known and likely a tuning decision made by BMW to keep the corporate average fuel economy up. Both BMW and the dealer acknowledge the stutter and hesitations in the steptronic but just look away when you ask about a fix. The only solution offered is to drive in Sport mode. To be brutally honest I talked myself back in to the X5 because I missed being a member of the BMW elite. What I got is a badge, a horrible driving experience and a brand that frankly doesn't care.

BMW is decontenting everything in pursuit of a pricing strategy to put themselves in a more competitive position with the everyman's brands as they are rising in content and capturing the interest and sales way from the premium brands like BMW. BMW used to be the best convenience technology platform, now it is bringing up the rear. While the iPod integration is the best, the navigation is now among the worst with the changes they made to the GIS content in the CIC. The decontenting puts there margins higher and allows the ridiculously high bring backs on their lease deals.

The Jeep GC I owned was a decent vehicle, but not one I am considering returning to. But it shouldn't be discounted because it is just a Jeep. Chrysler has done a very good job with the GC Overlands. The GC Overland I had accelerated when I asked it to and shifted without rattling my teeth no matter what speed I was transitioning from and to. The navigation system looked like a fisher price toy, but it didn't tell me to turn into fields and rivers. And it included the now old hat Sirius traffic and weather features that seem to elude the BMW CIC. But it just wasn't a BMW when I was a badge blind consumer of overpriced "luxury" vehicles.

I am not alone in the X5 debacle, I am just a little more vocal about it. All the people that have risen to the defense of the X5 when it comes to my commentary are 35d or earlier model year gas powered owners. Those platforms don't suffer the same tranny issues as the 2013 35i. My only reason for continuing to have these discussions is the hope that it will ward off any other unfortunate souls from investing in this poor excuse for a premium vehicle.

You are right about my poor decision when it relates to returning to the BMW X5. I'm not mad about the loss of the money - its an aggravating factor. And ride it out is just not an option. I won't suffer the miserable driving experience that this vehicle delivers at any cost. I now leave the X in the driveway because it is such an aggravating experience and drive one of my other cars. So is leaving it sit until the depreciation catches up with the resale price an appropriate option or even a good decision? I don't think so. My anger isn't pushing me - but my desire to have only vehicles in my possession that I drive and enjoy is absolutely a driver.

But fret not BMW community - I'm trading this crap pile on a 2013 F150 Limited as soon as it arrives and you shall hear from me no more. This vehicle shifts appropriately, is well appointed but a little plastic-y (BMW is catching up but probably not until the 2016 MY) has a decent convenience technology package and you can haul stuff in it too!
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:06 PM
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QX56 possibly. Never thought of it as a possibility but rented one and drives much smaller than it is. Hydraulic body control . . . .
but it's ugly
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Well I just became an E70 owner Sold my E83 about a year ago, and had an ML350 in between. Now it feels good to have a BMW again, and I guess I will keep it for a while.
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:16 PM
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but it's ugly
It grows on you, but you are right in the long term. Or more specifically, it is one of those Japanese designs that looks fresh and interesting now. But in 5 years? Yikes!

I think you'd be surprised at how small it drives though.
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:32 PM
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hmm... the X5 is a truck and the QX must be a bus!
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:48 PM
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Re: So what's after the E70 for owners here?

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It grows on you, but you are right in the long term. Or more specifically, it is one of those Japanese designs that looks fresh and interesting now. But in 5 years? Yikes!

I think you'd be surprised at how small it drives though.
Yeah, it will look dated very quickly.

I got to drive one a few years ago when a family member bought it. It was pretty much a bus. He ended up lemoning it a very months after.

If I was buying a large luxurious bus, the Mercedes GL gets my vote

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hmm... the X5 is a truck and the QX must be a bus!
Ha! Or barge. And there is something pleasing about a party barge that is agile and sprints from a dig. And that can eat small curbs at speed. Not that I tried. Heard that.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:53 PM
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Got rid of my 07 E70 after it broke down twice this summer! Didn't want to sink any more money into repairs.

I wanted to like the F15 but just couldn't get over the looks. So am leasing another E70 for a couple years. Hoping the X7 will be awesome! Otherwise, probably a GL for the next one.
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To be honest guys I lov my e70 it's gonna stay with me for awhile plus I spent 10k on dinan upgrades and she only got 9,000 miles on her so she's still new to me, so for the new x5 I'm gonna have to skip guys
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:57 AM
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Yeah, it will look dated very quickly.

I got to drive one a few years ago when a family member bought it. It was pretty much a bus. He ended up lemoning it a very months after.

If I was buying a large luxurious bus, the Mercedes GL gets my vote

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Yep, totally agree. I drove the QX two years ago when we were looking for a third row hauler and it definitely channels it's inner Shamu. Opted for an XC90 that somehow hauls the same amount of people/gear/dog as any three row hauler out there. Still amazed at the versatility of it despite the lawn mower exhaust note.

Hard to say what will be next for me after loving the E70 50i and now the M beast. Not anticipating that an F15 M will be nearly as appealing to me when the time comes.
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:48 AM
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We've owned a XC90 for the past ten years and the versatility and practicality of that vehicle still amazes me. At 240k+ miles the doors still close with a bank vault like "thud" and it refuses to die. If Volvo would have offered a diesel engine on the XC90, we probably would have bought a new one instead of one of the X5's.
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My X5 30d was new in May 2012. Its a plain white vanilla spec car, I bought it new from dealer stock. Its been great, it does everything from the daily commute to country drives to pulling my 19' boat.

But after 12000 fantastic trouble free miles, its going this week as I am taking delivery of a new X6 30d in white with M Sport pack + some other toys. I hope the X6 is as easy to live with as the E70, because as an all round car, its hard to beat.
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I'm adding the Macan to the list as an X5 replacement. First drive reports have been slowly coming out and it handles unlike anything in its class. Significantly more nimble than the big brother Cayenne also, it seems.

A lightly optioned Macan Turbo seems like a winner to me at $80k! 400 hp, 7 spd PDK, PASM, sport air suspension, sports seats. It's going to be a little rocketship

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So what's after the E70 for owners here?

I am going to try to score a 2013 last of the E70. My wife just threw a kink in my plan. She must have a 3rd row seat so that may limit me. I may just keep it and recondition the rims and pretend that it's new. It's only got 24k on it


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I am going to try to score a 2013 last of the E70. My wife just threw a kink in my plan. She must have a 3rd row seat so that may limit me. I may just keep it and recondition the rims and pretend that it's new. It's only got 24k on it


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I'm adding the Macan to the list as an X5 replacement. First drive reports have been slowly coming out and it handles unlike anything in its class. Significantly more nimble than the big brother Cayenne also, it seems.

A lightly optioned Macan Turbo seems like a winner to me at $80k! 400 hp, 7 spd PDK, PASM, sport air suspension, sports seats. It's going to be a little rocketship
I'm with you and have been obsessing about the Macan. However, the Macan isn't really a fair comparison (at least in size) to the X5. Have you test driven the SQ5 yet? That thing was a blast and makes it that much harder for me to wait for the Porsche!
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I'm with you and have been obsessing about the Macan. However, the Macan isn't really a fair comparison (at least in size) to the X5. Have you test driven the SQ5 yet? That thing was a blast and makes it that much harder for me to wait for the Porsche!
The issue there at least for me is that the nearest Porsche dealer is hour from me and my nearest BMW dealer is within walking distance of my work (less than 1/4 mile). Over the years, I've got used to dropping off my bimmer there for the most menial of problems and they take care of it. I stroll over at lunch and pick it up
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I'm with you and have been obsessing about the Macan.
Yup. I've been spent hours researching it recently. I want it!

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However, the Macan isn't really a fair comparison (at least in size) to the X5.
Good point. I really don't need the extra space of the X5/Cayenne.

It is, however, priced like an X5.
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I recently did and it was a fantastic little cute ute. Stupid fast, beautiful interior. It pisses me off that Audi forces 21inch wheels on it though. I would have to buy a second set of rims for the winter. It is also almost $15k cheaper! I guess if were impatient and didn't want to pay the Porsche Tax, the SQ-5 is a legit contender in this space.

To make matters worse, a facelifted Cayenne is coming too. An uprated bi-turbo diesel (300 hp) is supposed to hit the US.

Porsche needs to hurry up and make Macans so I can drive them. This anticipation is killing me.
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The issue there at least for me is that the nearest Porsche dealer is hour from me and my nearest BMW dealer is within walking distance of my work (less than 1/4 mile). Over the years, I've got used to dropping off my bimmer there for the most menial of problems and they take care of it. I stroll over at lunch and pick it up
Theoretically, you should be spending less time at a dealer with a Porsche.
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Yup. I've been spent hours researching it recently. I want it!


Good point. I really don't need the extra space of the X5/Cayenne.

It is, however, priced like an X5.

I recently did and it was a fantastic little cute ute. Stupid fast, beautiful interior. It pisses me off that Audi forces 21inch wheels on it though. I would have to buy a second set of rims for the winter. It is also almost $15k cheaper! I guess if were impatient and didn't want to pay the Porsche Tax, the SQ-5 is a legit contender in this space.

To make matters worse, a facelifted Cayenne is coming too. An uprated bi-turbo diesel (300 hp) is supposed to hit the US.

Porsche needs to hurry up and make Macans so I can drive them. This anticipation is killing me.
Yeah, I've been spending more time over at Rennlist and 6speed lately due to the Macan. I can't tell you how many I've built online and I keep watching the micro site over and over again. Although I don't need the space of an X5 either (at least I don't think I do, but it is nice to have on occasion), I need to make sure there is enough room for my German Shepherd and for the few trips to the dump throughout the year.

As for the SQ5, I was bit disappointed that it doesn't look that much different/special than a typically Q5. I also didn't like the wheel gap (US-spec suspension) vs. the Euro-spec suspension. The 21" are a must (as they are for the Macan as well). I don't really mind switching out to winter rubber, do already for my 335is, but it would be nice to have a 21" a/s option like I do with my 20" DWS on my current X5d
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