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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 12-08-2013, 12:49 PM
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I also had the transmission hesitation in the beginning but after 5k miles I think it gradually learned when I want it to accelerate, and now it is very fun to drive. It is really not such a big deal. The diesel version didn't have this hesitation because it used the 6 speed. Now with 8 speed I think they will have this as well. The X535i's rating for 0~60 is faster than the diesel. Give it some time to learn your driving style.
I completely agree with you. My '13 is no different than my '12. Both are excellent cars.
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:46 PM
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Yeah, I've been spending more time over at Rennlist and 6speed lately due to the Macan. I can't tell you how many I've built online and I keep watching the micro site over and over again.
I've been doing the same thing.

Just FYI, Sapphire Blue (gorgeous blue from the press pics) and Impulse Red are being added on 10/14 production models. And more two-tone interior options are being added. I really want something similar to the Espresso/Cognac combo from the Cayenne



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Macan Turbo


$72,300

Exterior Color


Dark Blue Metallic
N4

$690

Interior Color


Leather Package in Agate Grey
VG

$0

Exterior


Aluminum Roof Rails
3S1
$380
Panoramic Roof System
3FU
$1,670
Carbon Fiber Side Blades
6H3
$720
Automatically Dimming Mirrors
PA2
$420
ParkAssist (Front and Rear) incl. Reversing Camera
7X8
$1,460
Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS Plus)
8G1

$580
Stainless Steel skid Plate (Front and Rear)
2JX
$1,410

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Air Suspension incl. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM)
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$1,385
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
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Seat Belts in Saddle Brown
FI1
$500
Sunblind for Rear Side Windows
3Y4
$250
3-Zone Climate Control
9AQ
$510
Seat Ventilation (Front)
4D3
$660
Seat Heating (Front and Rear)
4A4
$525
Comfort Lighting Package (i.c.w. Memory Package)
PP8
$325
Lane Change Assist (LCA) with Lane Keep Assist (LKA)
7Y3
$1,380
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Porsche Crest on Headrests (Front and Rear)
5ZF
$570

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Dark Walnut Interior Package
5MP
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QR1
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Porsche Car Connect
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$420
Online Services
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Old 12-10-2013, 03:42 AM
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I priced my "base" Turbo at $81k...with the following few options PASM w/Air, Sport Chrono, Vectoring, 21", and high-gloss blk exterior.

The better financial purchase would be the "S" for around $72k which includes a great amount of options due to the packages available. I'm really surprised by the "value" of these packages. Quite a savings to go with the packages instead of ordering the same options individually. Perhaps the Turbo will get some packages shortly. I also will need to add the PSE to either model which is another $2k+

I'm still concerned that the Macan is going to be too small. My perfect solution (if Audi would ever bring them over ) would be an RS4 or 6 Avant
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:12 AM
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I priced my "base" Turbo at $81k...with the following few options PASM w/Air, Sport Chrono, Vectoring, 21", and high-gloss blk exterior.

The better financial purchase would be the "S" for around $72k which includes a great amount of options due to the packages available. I'm really surprised by the "value" of these packages. Quite a savings to go with the packages instead of ordering the same options individually. Perhaps the Turbo will get some packages shortly. I also will need to add the PSE to either model which is another $2k+

I'm still concerned that the Macan is going to be too small. My perfect solution (if Audi would ever bring them over ) would be an RS4 or 6 Avant
Easy enough to verify. Just test drive a Q5. I beleive it's basically the same car.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:36 AM
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Easy enough to verify. Just test drive a Q5. I beleive it's basically the same car.
I have test driven the SQ5--which was a blast BTW. However, the aggressive rear slope of the Macan may compromise too much cargo utility for my needs.
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Re: So what's after the E70 for owners here?

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Easy enough to verify. Just test drive a Q5. I beleive it's basically the same car.
Except it's not...

Which Q5 is sold with PCCBs, twin turbo 6s, torque vectoring, and air suspension?

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Old 12-10-2013, 05:25 AM
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Except it's not...

Which Q5 is sold with PCCBs, twin turbo 6s, torque vectoring, and air suspension?

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I think he was just referencing the Q5 since I was questioning the Macan's interior space...easy boy
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I did not like the look, ride or overall feel of the F15. Other than some nice interior touches, it felt like a downgrade to the E70. Went with leftover E70 2mo ago and will keep for a few yrs. Likely LR-S after...
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:17 AM
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I did not like the look, ride or overall feel of the F15. Other than some nice interior touches, it felt like a downgrade to the E70. Went with leftover E70 2mo ago and will keep for a few yrs. Likely LR-S after...
I am fine with the look, it's the Lexus steering (and to a lesser extent ride) that I object to.


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Old 12-10-2013, 07:37 AM
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I drove a sport package and yes, the streering was light and numb. The body roll was terrible and I should have snapped a photo of them side-by-side. I had 2 white X5s (E70 sport and F15 sport) and the E70 was much nicer looking IMO.
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:14 AM
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I think he was just referencing the Q5 since I was questioning the Macan's interior space...easy boy
If so, then my bad.

More first drives going up!

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...2013-CAR-test/

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The Porsche Macan is Stuttgart's new SUV, the smaller, younger brother of the Cayenne a huge commercial success.

It's slightly shorter, a tad narrower but noticeably lower (100mm) than the Cayenne, and although the spec of the new Porsche looks similar to the Audi Q5 on which it's based, dynamically the two vehicles roam separate orbits.

This is our first experience of the new SUV, and we're riding shotgun with Porsche engineer, race driver and 918 customer-scarer, Guido Majewski.

What's the line-up?
The Macan S we're in is positioned comfortably between the 229bhp base model and the awesome 395bhp turbo. Under the S's bonnet is a 335bhp twin-turbo, direct injection 3.0-litre V6 with 339lb ft of torque available all the way from 1450 to 5000rpm.

Every Macan comes with Porsche's twin-clutch seven-speed gearbox, which can be put into sailing mode to save fuel. Performance? The 0-62mph run is dispatched in 5.4sec before a 159mph top.

Typical Porsche cabin, too?
The interior of the Macan is extremely well made. The soft natural leather comes with matching stitching and piping, all the brightwork is made of real metal with fit and finish that couldn't be better. The secondary controls which crowd the centre console remain unintuitive to use, but adjusting the temperature can be done without looking down, the new multi-functional steering-wheel is a step in the right direction, and the long list of options gives the well-to-do plenty of food for deliberation.

New features include a real-time torque split display, a high-end Burmester music center and Porsche's dynamic light system.

Does it go like a smaller Cayenne?
Instead of behaving like a 1.9-tonner on steroids with an elevated centre of gravity, poise and precision seem to be two of the Macan's outstanding features. Even from the front passenger seat, it feels more like a laden Audi S4 Avant than an SUV, because instead of Quattro four-wheel drive that the Q5 uses, the Macan boasts the same high-trick AWD system as the Cayenne. In essence, this is a rear-wheel drive vehicle with an on-demand instant all-wheel-drive function.

Thanks to VarioCam Plus which adjusts both camshafts for seamless twist action, the V6 grows a grunt curve most normally aspirated V8s would be proud of; the electro-mechanical steering is light and quick and even fuel-efficient, and takes a middle ground for feel and weight. The fitted air suspension adopted from the Cayenne is a Porsche first in this segment, and it lowers the ride height by 15mm and pushes the car a further 10mm closer to the ground in Sport Plus mode, while raising the body by 40mm when the driver hits the off-road button.

So it's to be taken seriously, then?
Absolutely. With PASM in the raciest setting, the transmission set to paddle-shift and the Sport button pushed, the Macan finally sheds its SUV mask and bares its sports car character. PSM is now regularly required to reel in the bow or stern running wide, the V6 keeps hitting its 6700rpm redline in a raucous effort to fuse its power and torque curves, and the racing line becomes more and more radical. The initial bite feel from the steel brakes (ceramics are an option) is prompt and confidence-inspiring, the actual brake performance feels nicely progressive, powerful and positive.

What about off-road?
In a habitat few owners are ever likely to explore, the Macan S excels. While you'd be better off on smaller 19in rubber, it seems that the Macan's surprisingly easy to set up via steering and throttle, after which Majewski dabs the brake pedal for that critical rear-to-front weight transfer and then rides the wave of torque without the need to flip the upshift paddle. Near the Leipzig track, steep inclines are few and far between, but the Macan did run up a cobblestone ramp with eyes closed, dive down a sickbag trail with snarling Hill Descent Control, and hug a wild incline without coming even close to tripping over.

Verdict
There's little doubt that Porsche's plan to build 50,000 Macans per year won't meet demand. It may be an SUV but it's a proper Porsche in terms of appearance and talent, it blends street cred and desirability with a reasonable pricetag and it might just be, for the many rivals in this booming segment, a worst nightmare.
Sounds like a winner to me! :thumb up:

The Macan is going to shake-up the cute-ute segment, no doubt about that. Watch out BMW

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They're really pushing the whole "sport-SUV" image. Even the base S has staggered tires.


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Just got my new X6 in white with MSport Package, Alcantara seats, and a few toys. All I can say is "wow". It does feel a more sorted drive than the X5, especially when going around a corner. Its like a big version of my wife's Mini Cooper!
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So what's after the E70 for owners here?

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I'm having a harder time getting stuff covered under CPO these days and my dealer is not as stellar as it used to be, so my answer of "yet another E70" (CPO X5M) might be changing. So 2014-15 Sierra Denali with 6.2 and 8-speed(when it happens) or 2015 redesigned F150 is the latest thought. Hope GM moves quickly on getting the 8-speed into the Sierra and hope Ford is doing air sus on the F150. Maybe the fantasy of being happy with a domestic pickup is unrealistic after a decade of BMW, but that's the dream.
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So what's after the E70 for owners here?

Just test drove the Toureg V6. A little underpowered relative to the i6 BMW but much more fun to drive than the new F15.


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I agree, test drove the F15. Nicely made, nice interior, quite refined but no longer the ultimate driving machine, more like the ultimate soccer mom machine for those on a higher income!

The X6 is much more like a sportier drive E70 which is why I decided to buy one. Combined with a "December deal" I could not resist. I loved my E70 though, best car I have owned.
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I think at the time I wrote that -- Dealer diagnosed front end creaks as wheel bearings that needed service. Dealer said wheel bearings could be serviced as opposed to replaced, so no CPO. BMWNA said wheel bearings were part of suspension, which is not covered. After a few gentle discussions, BMW, dealer, and me split costs 3 ways. In the end, it wasn't wheel bearings but instead the dealer had failed to tighten the stiffening plate when the brake vacuum pump recall was done previously by the dealer. Passenger side mirror motor died but of course "mirrors" are excluded under CPO. I think equipment related to operation of the mirrors arguably should be covered, but the CPO coverage doc is drafted vaguely enough to provide room for maneuvering (IMO).

Additionally, I paid for rear brakes within 5k miles of a CPO purchase which leads me to believe pads were not at CPO spec. My fault for not inspecting.

So maybe I am out of line and there is clear CPO exclusions in these cases, but I had built a relationship with the dealer where (on my CPO M5) they just handled things with BMW and/or goodwill. My "goodwill" seemed to run out after they built the fancy new dealership and the economic crisis hit. :-) so maybe this is more of a dealer relationship issue rather than CPO itself. Net result is that I put less value in that coverage and certification and more on a PPI.

Anyway, the 1/2 pickup thing is no longer on my radar. I am fairly convinced the 4.8i with air sus and AD is a better tow rig for my trailer anyway.
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So what's after the E70 for owners here?

Just drove the new Range Rover Sport, Porsche Cayenne and VW Toureg.

The Range Rover is at least as much fun to drive as an F15 on the road. It has EPS but it doesn't seem nearly as bad as BMW's. Of course unlike the X5s and to a slightly lesser extent Cayenne, it is a real off-road SUV. It can even operate in over 30 inches of water. If I lived in a flood zone, this would be the car to buy. Unfortunately the ergonomics are questionable and the Nav system is awful. It does have a 360 camera system which might not be needed as it also has fantastic visibility. If you need a go anywhere truck rather than a station wagon this is the car to get.

Porsche Cayenne is the car the X5 should have been. Fantastic on-road and better off road than the X5 (it actually has diff locks). A V6 conservatively optioned costs about the same as a very well optioned I6 X5. Unfortunately, the lease payments are higher than a V8 X5. This same problem applies to the RR except you are going to want some of the option packages so it will cost more and the lease payments will be even higher.

There is always the Toureg. Same crappy lease terms but the car is much cheaper than a Cayenne, X5 or RR. It's very close to the Cayenne in handling and road feel and much better than the X5.


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First impression based on the photos alone: Gorgeous looking small SUV, but why oh why is the rear window area so slanted cutting away from much needed trunk space for it be practical. Probably a deal killer for me on just that design (flaw) alone...
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That being said, what are considering as a replacement to the E70?
Most likely go with the new RRS-SC... despite not being 100% in love with it's looks I really dig the LR/RR brand and now with the weight savings and the tech actually being current it wears the "SPORT" badge properly and not as some sort of prosthesis.
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Most likely go with the new RRS-SC... despite not being 100% in love with it's looks I really dig the LR/RR brand and now with the weight savings and the tech actually being current it wears the "SPORT" badge properly and not as some sort of prosthesis.
You really should go drive one. It was near the top on my list of contenders also.

Not one ounce of "Sport" in the way it drives.
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You really should go drive one. It was near the top on my list of contenders also.



Not one ounce of "Sport" in the way it drives.

So like an F15 then, except it can really go off-road.


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Made the leap

Made the leap from my 2011 X5 d to the new F15 diesel. Here is my initial impressions. Though the suspension and steering feel softer and not quite as precise in the comfort setting as the E70 feels, when shifted to the Sport setting the F15 feels great. Diesel engine seems much quieter than it's predessor. The eight speed does wonders for instant accelleration. The F15 has much less wind noise at fwy speeds. New instrumentation is fantastic. Mileage on my first tank (mostly highway) is 29 mpg. E70 at 70 mph was turning 2,200 rpms; the F15 is at 1,600 rpm at same speed. Though the exterior dimensions of the E70 and F15 are almost identical, the inside of the F15 feels larger. The F15 in comfort mode is quite comfortable on the fwy wherein the expansion joints and bumps in the road, though felt, are no longer harsh. Am enjoying this vehicle immensely. Arranged for the extended factory warranty through Geico Insurance. 7 years 100,000 mile, bumper to bumper warranty cost $52.00 every 6 months with a $250.00 deductible. Considerably cheaper than the BMW extended warranty.
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