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Old 06-13-2013, 08:31 AM
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And thinking I should change out gearbox and differential oils, what should I expect to pay at an Indy shop vs BMW service since they are no longer covered by maintenance warranties? Just want to have some idea before I start making calls. Thanks.
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And thinking I should change out gearbox and differential oils, what should I expect to pay at an Indy shop vs BMW service since they are no longer covered by maintenance warranties? Just want to have some idea before I start making calls. Thanks.
Well you just make a call and get a quote, then compare the two/three/or more.
Prices differ by market and location.

EDIT: go to http://www.getbmwparts.com/partlocat...72&catalogid=0 to get an idea on the OEM parts/liquids pricing
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:48 AM
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Well you just make a call and get a quote, then compare the two/three/or more.
Prices differ by market and location.

EDIT: go to http://www.getbmwparts.com/partlocat...72&catalogid=0 to get an idea on the OEM parts/liquids pricing
Funny, but seriously...Is that a Vizsla?
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FWIW, my BMW dealer did not service the diff, because it does not have a drain plug. I asked if the can vacuum it out via the fill port but they said it does not allow to do this per their service instructions. They said the only option BMW offers in their recommendation is to drop the entire diff and drain it, reinstall and refill. I think it would have been around $700. For $1,300 you can get the rear carrier for the rear transaxle (which I believe houses the fluid). So it seems that I can either pay for service and after 2 services almost paid for what a new rear diff would cost, or just take my chances and replace it if it does ever break.

Not sure as to how much fluid a vacuum can extract through the fill hole and how much difference the new fluid will make for longevity.
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FWIW, my BMW dealer did not service the diff, because it does not have a drain plug. I asked if the can vacuum it out via the fill port but they said it does not allow to do this per their service instructions. They said the only option BMW offers in their recommendation is to drop the entire diff and drain it, reinstall and refill. I think it would have been around $700. For $1,300 you can get the rear carrier for the rear transaxle (which I believe houses the fluid). So it seems that I can either pay for service and after 2 services almost paid for what a new rear diff would cost, or just take my chances and replace it if it does ever break.

Not sure as to how much fluid a vacuum can extract through the fill hole and how much difference the new fluid will make for longevity.
Wow, didn't know that! Sounds like BMW wants us to take our chances, and most likely out of warranty. Go figure?

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FWIW, my BMW dealer did not service the diff, because it does not have a drain plug. I asked if the can vacuum it out via the fill port but they said it does not allow to do this per their service instructions. They said the only option BMW offers in their recommendation is to drop the entire diff and drain it, reinstall and refill. I think it would have been around $700. For $1,300 you can get the rear carrier for the rear transaxle (which I believe houses the fluid). So it seems that I can either pay for service and after 2 services almost paid for what a new rear diff would cost, or just take my chances and replace it if it does ever break. .
Now, my indy did my front diff, transfer case, and ATF change, but didn't do the rear diff because of the lack of a drain plug.

My local BMW dealer quoted me north of $800 to do the whole "drop the diff" thing. I then called the SA I'd worked with before, asked him if his shop had gone nuts, and got a quote (from the same dealer) to do it through the plug with a pump for $150 - $180 or so.

For the OP: My 90k service at an indy was plugs, filters, front diff, transfer case, ATF, ATF pan/filterfilter, and brake fluid. +/- $1200 for the whole package, plus the extra $180 for the rear diff at the dealer.
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Anyone know why BMW wont vacuum it out,whats the reason?
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And thinking I should change out gearbox and differential oils, what should I expect to pay at an Indy shop vs BMW service since they are no longer covered by maintenance warranties? Just want to have some idea before I start making calls. Thanks.

Good Lord. Don't you know those are lifetime fluids? They will never go bad; never degrade. They are immortal.

But if one felt compelled....30k too soon for much diff.
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Good Lord. Don't you know those are lifetime fluids? They will never go bad; never degrade. They are immortal.

But if one felt compelled....30k too soon for much diff.
Yeah, yeah, I know "Lifetime", but who's?
1) Car's life,
2) The life of a well maintained tranny,
3) The life of a never serviced tranny,

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Yeah, yeah, I know "Lifetime", but who's?
1) Car's life,
2) The life of a well maintained tranny,
3) The life of a never serviced tranny,
Lifetime of the warranty.
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And thinking I should change out gearbox and differential oils, what should I expect to pay at an Indy shop vs BMW service since they are no longer covered by maintenance warranties? Just want to have some idea before I start making calls. Thanks.
Wow, I didn't know not having a drain plug was such a big deal. daytrader, I don't think it will cost much because as far as I can tell (at least on my MT), these two fluid changes look to be the very easiest after oil (assuming someone is willing to use the fill hole to drain for you). My guess is half hr charge on the diff (but will be much quicker than that), and my dumb guess on at least an MT, half hr charge. Just my dumb guesses, but if you know their hourly rate, and if I'm actually right, you should have a ballpark idea.

OEM diff fluid is $18/liter, and you need ballpark 1.3L for 335i. 2 quarts total of each, Redline $26, Motul $36.

I'm doing OEM on every possible fluid and filter, except trying Red Line D6 for my MT, $11.50 per quart, I'm getting two bottles.

Allow me a brief hijack? While my dumb guess is that it's not worth it, do any of the esteemed members here opt to use magnetic plugs anywhere, but particularly diff and trans (assuming they're even available at the right size)? Not going there myself, but just curious...
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FWIW, my BMW dealer did not service the diff, because it does not have a drain plug. I asked if the can vacuum it out via the fill port but they said it does not allow to do this per their service instructions. They said the only option BMW offers in their recommendation is to drop the entire diff and drain it, reinstall and refill. I think it would have been around $700. For $1,300 you can get the rear carrier for the rear transaxle (which I believe houses the fluid). So it seems that I can either pay for service and after 2 services almost paid for what a new rear diff would cost, or just take my chances and replace it if it does ever break.

Not sure as to how much fluid a vacuum can extract through the fill hole and how much difference the new fluid will make for longevity.

Could there be better proof that public schools are not meeting traditional standards?

Check this timely DIY, wherein your dealer might get a clue....
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If you do consider DIY^, I might recommend this hex bit set. (I've made at least two poor purchasing decisions so far, and one of those was trying to cherry pick individual hex bits, and I still ended up ordering this $15 set.) It has the bit needed for diff (very big 14mm, your big box stores won't have it) and 8mm for the MT. Also, the 5mm lets you take engine cover off for the plugs.

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Just to clarify, I do not believe the dealer is INCAPABLE of doing it or wants to make my life miserable. They need to follow BMW procedures when doing service and suctioning out the diff via the fill port is not SOP for them. If they mess the diff up, I can turn around and claim they used an unapproved method. It's the world we live in.

I might have it done next time the car is at the indy, but I'm not sweating bullets at night over the diff. I'm much more likely to do that about the water pump, fuel pump, alternator...stuff that normally breaks.
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FWIW, my BMW dealer did not service the diff, because it does not have a drain plug. I asked if the can vacuum it out via the fill port but they said it does not allow to do this per their service instructions. They said the only option BMW offers in their recommendation is to drop the entire diff and drain it, reinstall and refill. I think it would have been around $700. For $1,300 you can get the rear carrier for the rear transaxle (which I believe houses the fluid). So it seems that I can either pay for service and after 2 services almost paid for what a new rear diff would cost, or just take my chances and replace it if it does ever break.

Not sure as to how much fluid a vacuum can extract through the fill hole and how much difference the new fluid will make for longevity.
WHAT?
Take it to an indy (or DIY) & have them suction out the 7 or so oz. of lube then refill. The fill hole is small so a 1/2" diameter plastic hose is needed. Mike Miller covered this topic in Roundel. The process, once the car is in the air, takes minutes.
For the life of me I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why some BMW owners don't question some of the obviously stupid recommendations coming out of the mouths of these dealers. It's your car, it's your money. Find an independent shop you trust and deal with them adult to adult.
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Yeah, w/o drain plugs or dipsticks, etc, one get the idea BMW doesn't want us much under the hood. Well I'll do what I need to...even if I have to go to my indy shops!
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WHAT?
Take it to an indy (or DIY) & have them suction out the 7 or so oz. of lube then refill. The fill hole is small so a 1/2" diameter plastic hose is needed. Mike Miller covered this topic in Roundel. The process, once the car is in the air, takes minutes.
For the life of me I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why some BMW owners don't question some of the obviously stupid recommendations coming out of the mouths of these dealers. It's your car, it's your money. Find an independent shop you trust and deal with them adult to adult.
I think you misread my comment but I understand your anger.

BMW simply has a process that is very pricey to service this part, as they don't intend for it to be serviced. I don't lose sleep over it, as the members posting about failed diffs is pretty low. I might have the fluid replaced at an opportune time, but I'm not asking my dealer to do something that potentially might be in violation of their commitments to BMW.
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I think you misread my comment but I understand your anger.

BMW simply has a process that is very pricey to service this part, as they don't intend for it to be serviced. I don't lose sleep over it, as the members posting about failed diffs is pretty low. I might have the fluid replaced at an opportune time, but I'm not asking my dealer to do something that potentially might be in violation of their commitments to BMW.
Are they still doing these, diff and mt services, on M cars, Anyone know?
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