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Old 06-15-2013, 11:35 AM
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I wouldn't... I just know in my area for every one person who might leave frustrated they've got others lining up to buy 328i's at 60-72 mo. financing so they don't mind letting people with capital walk. Very little bargaining power in some area's so remember that if you get a who cares response.
I guess I'm not really looking for bargaining power other than maybe they fix this repair less than a month out of warranty for free. More just want to share my frustration. Actually not that pissed off. Just frustrated

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Yet again. You must ask yourself: Why? What troubleshooting have you done?
There is no way that I'm going to figure it out or trouble shoot my engine. That's why they hook a computer up to it at the dealer. I haven't done anything different with the car.
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Snareman, mine went into limp mode because of VANOS. Don't even know what exactly went wrong with it. Your situation seems a bit different fortunately - mine would get even up to 60 mph it just took couple of minutes to do so

Why "fortunately"? Because I asked how much was repair (it was done under warranty) and the guy told me around $1,600 - but that's BMW funny money. Normal customer should expect to be charged between $2,300 and $2,500.

How about you forget about 435i? Just fly into Stuttgart for your next car and pick it up in Zuffenhausen - chassis code 981. Or wait for 4C - it would go great together with the flag you are flying
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Snareman, mine went into limp mode because of VANOS. Don't even know what exactly went wrong with it. Your situation seems a bit different fortunately - mine would get even up to 60 mph it just took couple of minutes to do so

Why "fortunately"? Because I asked how much was repair (it was done under warranty) and the guy told me around $1,600 - but that's BMW funny money. Normal customer should expect to be charged between $2,300 and $2,500.

How about you forget about 435i? Just fly into Stuttgart for your next car and pick it up in Zuffenhausen - chassis code 981. Or wait for 4C - it would go great together with the flag you are flying
Yikes!! They better not come back with a number like that. I was never much of a Stuttgart kind of guy. I'd like at least a little practicalness to the car.
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I've never had a car as unreliable as my BMW's have been. I've owned 1 Mazda, 3 Hondas, 2 Jeeps, 1 Infiniti and now 2 BMWs. I didn't have a single major problem with any of the other brands - nothing that ever caused them to be undriveable. I had more problems with my first BMW in the first 6 months than my all of my previous cars combined. I've lost track of how many fuel pumps I've gone through (I think I'm up to 5) and again tonight on the way home at 1am my car went into limp mode. Tonight I was close to home, but the first time it happened it was 11pm 2h from home in a McDonald's parking lot, in Seaman, OH 1h+ from any civilization. The closest dealership and/or car rental was 1h+ away.

I'm embarrassed how many times the big flat bed truck has had to come to my little neighborhood to haul my "luxury car" away to the dealer. I'm truly embarrassed every time it comes. It will happen again in the morning. I don't even tell my family or friends that its broken again because its always followed with, "Why the heck do you keep getting them?"

I don't understand BMW's problem. I don't know why the cars are just so darn unreliable or what it is they can do about it. I will NEVER own a BMW out of warranty because that would seem insane to me. I will get a 435, but I won't say it doesn't give me pause. I sure hope they've done something special with that car to make it not repeatedly fail me.
Genuinely sorry to hear. You are a poster I respect. Hope it works out for the best.

PS no HPFP in an E92 M3
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You haven't given us details of your 'woes' but it seems to be limited to the HPFP. BMW's first announcement of the HPFP recall was in Oct. of 2010...why are you bringing this up now?

Did you purchase, and then drive "un-remedied" cars...unaware of the recall...and are now complaining about BMW's "reliability"?

Any car that you own/buy that hasn't had the HPFP recall should be brought to the dealer for the work...you get a loaner and it's done with! There have been few instances of recalled vehicles (fixed) having HPFP problems after the recall.

I believe the HPFP issue is quite behind us now...and we can move on.
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Yea, I would consider the dud thing except I had no major problems with my last 7 cars and have had both of my BMWs rendered undriveable at least 5 times that I can remember.

Congrats! You have taken a step into a better world.

Now, move up to a S550. BMW'll look as reliable as the US mail.
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Genuinely sorry to hear. You are a poster I respect. Hope it works out for the best.

PS no HPFP in an E92 M3
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What problems have you had with it? As for the black mark, everyone seems to say "But aren't BMWs not that reliable?" The mark seems to already be there.
The pump, corrected years ago.

The fuel injectors, corrected a year ago.

Tires and wheels galore (never happened with my other cars in the same area, same roads). Still, this one can be construed to "you dummy, you should have dumped BMW's wheels and tires for better stuff, but it's not a reliability thing".

The intake valves. Corrected a couple months ago.
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You haven't given us details of your 'woes' but it seems to be limited to the HPFP. BMW's first announcement of the HPFP recall was in Oct. of 2010...why are you bringing this up now?

Did you purchase, and then drive "un-remedied" cars...unaware of the recall...and are now complaining about BMW's "reliability"?

Any car that you own/buy that hasn't had the HPFP recall should be brought to the dealer for the work...you get a loaner and it's done with! There have been few instances of recalled vehicles (fixed) having HPFP problems after the recall.

I believe the HPFP issue is quite behind us now...and we can move on.
I thought I did say what happened, although maybe not in great detail. I've had 2 new BMWs (see my sig).
- I had 3 BMW admitted HPFP failures (between the 2 of cars).
- I had the recall fix done.
- My 4th limp mode was 'fuel pump related'. They said the "hoses to the pump had become clogged." When I asked if the pump itself was bad (since it was supposed to have been fixed for good) the answer I got was, "you know, we can't really tell." It almost sounded like a tacit admission.
- I don't know what the cause of my current limp mode is going to be, but my other 4 were related to the fuel pump so we'll see.

And, I bring this up now because as I said my car went limp again last night giving me 5 limp episodes over my 2 BMWs. 5 times the car isn't driveable, 2 of which occurred far from home. I bring it up now because I am once again freshly frustrated of the lack of reliability of my BMWs. Believe me, I'd love to move on, but my cars keep reminding me that I can't.
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I thought I did say what happened, although maybe not in great detail. I've had 2 new BMWs (see my sig).
- I had 3 BMW admitted HPFP failures (between the 2 of cars).
- I had the recall fix done.
- My 4th limp mode was 'fuel pump related'. They said the "hoses to the pump had become clogged." When I asked if the pump itself was bad (since it was supposed to have been fixed for good) the answer I got was, "you know, we can't really tell." It almost sounded like a tacit admission.
- I don't know what the cause of my current limp mode is going to be, but my other 4 were related to the fuel pump so we'll see.

And, I bring this up now because as I said my car went limp again last night giving me 5 limp episodes over my 2 BMWs. 5 times the car isn't driveable, 2 of which occurred far from home. I bring it up now because I am once again freshly frustrated of the lack of reliability of my BMWs. Believe me, I'd love to move on, but my cars keep reminding me that I can't.
You've had TWO new BMWs (E92s?)
- THREE HPFP failures.
- You said the "recall fix" was done. Second car?
- Then you say there was a "4th" failure. On which car?
- The dealer didn't address or "fix" the issue after the car went into "limp mode? the 4th time?
- Then you claim there was a "5th" time...although there was no "apparent" fix the 4th time?

VERY CONFUSING.

Somehow or other, I don't get the feeling that we're getting the WHOLE story.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:14 PM
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You've had TWO new BMWs (E92s?)
- THREE HPFP failures.
- You said the "recall fix" was done. Second car?
- Then you say there was a "4th" failure. On which car?
- The dealer didn't address or "fix" the issue after the car went into "limp mode? the 4th time?
- Then you claim there was a "5th" time...although there was no "apparent" fix the 4th time?

VERY CONFUSING.
I don't know why you are confused. I will color code it by car for you.

First car (2007)
-2 pump failures - both fixed - turned in the car at lease end.

Second car (2009)
-1 pump failure - pump replaced

-Then the recall came out. Had the recall done.

-Had a 4th failure (after the recall) as I described above where they wouldn't deny that it was the pump. Said it the tubes to the pump right at the pump were clogged and when I asked if the pump itself was bad they said they couldn't really say. Of course they fixed the problem as the car wasn't driveable otherwise. They fixed the tubing and honestly at this point I don't remember if they actually replaced the pump that time or not as it was last year some time.

And yes, a 5th limp mode last night, cause yet to be determined as the service dept isn't open on saturdays. Thankfully I have a second car or I'd have been in trouble as I don't think I can get a loaner on the weekend.


My bigger point to all of this is that my cars have been undriveable 5 times. It has left me stranded in the middle of nowhere. I don't know when its going to happen. Its completely random. I don't really care if its 5 times of fuel pumps or 1 fuel pump, 2 times fuel injectors, 1 gas tank falling out of the car and 1 tire rolling off the car. Overall I don't really care about the cause. I care that I can't depend on the car.
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I don't know why you are confused. I will color code it by car for you.

First car (2007)
-2 pump failures - both fixed - turned in the car at lease end.

Second car (2009)
-1 pump failure - pump replaced

-Then the recall came out. Had the recall done.

-Had a 4th failure (after the recall) as I described above where they wouldn't deny that it was the pump. Said it the tubes to the pump right at the pump were clogged and when I asked if the pump itself was bad they said they couldn't really say. Of course they fixed the problem as the car wasn't driveable otherwise. They fixed the tubing and honestly at this point I don't remember if they actually replaced the pump that time or not as it was last year some time.

And yes, a 5th limp mode last night, cause yet to be determined as the service dept isn't open on saturdays. Thankfully I have a second car or I'd have been in trouble as I don't think I can get a loaner on the weekend.


My bigger point to all of this is that my cars have been undriveable 5 times. It has left me stranded in the middle of nowhere. I don't know when its going to happen. Its completely random. I don't really care if its 5 times of fuel pumps or 1 fuel pump, 2 times fuel injectors, 1 gas tank falling out of the car and 1 tire rolling off the car. Overall I don't really care about the cause. I care that I can't depend on the car.
The service contract didn't indicate that they replaced the pump ("they couldn't really say")...it should be indicated on your repair invoice?

So now we learn that you have "fuel pump," fuel injector," gas tanks "falling off the car, and tires "rolling off the car" problems, or are you just exagerating?

Geezus, you certainly have a "basket case." Why did it take so long for you to mention these other "problems"?

Can I show you a nice Mercedes?...other than the fact the Mercedes "quality rating" is somewhat suffering these days?
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The service contract didn't indicate that they replaced the pump ("they couldn't really say")...it should be indicated on your repair invoice?

So now we learn that you have "fuel pump," fuel injector," gas tanks "falling off the car, and tires "rolling off the car" problems, or are you just exagerating?

Geezus, you certainly have a "basket case." Why did it take so long for you to mention these other "problems"?

Can I show you a nice Mercedes?...other than the fact the Mercedes "quality rating" is somewhat suffering these days?
I was exaggerating to make a point. I didn't have a gas tank fall out of the car or those other outrageous things. My point was that I don't care if all 5 limp modes are related to 1 thing (the fuel pumps as it has been up until now as I outlined) or to 5 different things. I don't overall care why the cars keep breaking. I just care that they keep breaking.

Yes, it would be listed on the invoice if they replaced the FP pump last year. Sadly, I'm bad about keeping those things so I can't refer to it. I know I should probably keep them, but for some reason they don't often make it past my kitchen when I get home. I'll ask my SA when I talk to him Monday.

No thanks on the Merc. Most of them seem like a conservative old guy car to me.
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+1 have 46000 miles so far and no issues. Looks like we got the only 2 good BMW's ever made.
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+1 have 46000 miles so far and no issues. Looks like we got the only 2 good BMW's ever made.
I just put 500 miles on the m3 last night all good EDC is amazing
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+1 have 46000 miles so far and no issues. Looks like we got the only 2 good BMW's ever made.
And given what your car has been through that is fairly impressive.

I keep expecting you to come on here and complain about weird rattles and other problems. Sounds like the folks that put your baby back together did a fine job of it
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