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Old 06-15-2013, 07:43 PM
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I know I am not likely to get truly objective opinions but here goes....


I drove these cars back to back (2013 550 and 2013 S4). On paper they are about equal although I suspect the 2014 with the bump in power will have the upper hand. My take on each

BMW is better looking, more comfortable and you get a lot for you money (Audis don't lease we'll). The 550 stands out where the S4 is so common. And with the new mocha brown interior the 550 will give the s4 a run for its money on the inside as well. Only downside of the BMW is no sound and even in sport + not a whole lot of feel. I drive a 6MT 335is right now and it is a totally different experience. On top of that I know of no way to make the car sound better (read :louder). Without paying an astounding $4k for Dinan pipes ( unless someone else knows please let me know)

The audi on the other hand makes an absolutely brilliant sound. I found myself smiling every time I hammered it. On the outside it is boring and it is actually nearly more expensive if optioned out (again on a lease) it is aurally st laying but not visually.

If I could mod the 550 to make it louder it would be a no brainer but I am not paying $4k for a new pipe (I'll do Stage 2 before I do that)

So do I go with the faster better looking car that doesn't have as much feel or sound ( but is better looking and more comfortable). Or do I go with the ordinary looking car with the extraordinary sound. I already have a jet black/mocha M-Sport 2014 550i on order but I am thinking of canceling.


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Old 06-15-2013, 08:22 PM
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I know I am not likely to get truly objective opinions but here goes....


I drove these cars back to back (2013 550 and 2013 S4). On paper they are about equal although I suspect the 2014 with the bump in power will have the upper hand. My take on each

BMW is better looking, more comfortable and you get a lot for you money (Audis don't lease we'll). The 550 stands out where the S4 is so common. And with the new mocha brown interior the 550 will give the s4 a run for its money on the inside as well. Only downside of the BMW is no sound and even in sport + not a whole lot of feel. I drive a 6MT 335is right now and it is a totally different experience. On top of that I know of no way to make the car sound better (read :louder). Without paying an astounding $4k for Dinan pipes ( unless someone else knows please let me know)

The audi on the other hand makes an absolutely brilliant sound. I found myself smiling every time I hammered it. On the outside it is boring and it is actually nearly more expensive if optioned out (again on a lease) it is aurally st laying but not visually.

If I could mod the 550 to make it louder it would be a no brainer but I am not paying $4k for a new pipe (I'll do Stage 2 before I do that)

So do I go with the faster better looking car that doesn't have as much feel or sound ( but is better looking and more comfortable). Or do I go with the ordinary looking car with the extraordinary sound. I already have a jet black/mocha M-Sport 2014 550i on order but I am thinking of canceling.


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This one seems pretty simple. Ben Franklin close man!

From your quote above...

550 pros: Better looking, faster, more comfortable, stands out, leases well.
A4 pros: Brilliant sound.

550 cons: No brilliant sound.
A4 cons: Not as good looking, slower, not as comfortable, common, doesn't lease well.

If these things are most important to you... It looks like the 550 is a no brainer.
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Is the 5 series really the competition for the S4? I always thought A6 = 5 series.


The S4 kinda sits in between the 3 and 5 series... Sporty like the 3s but faster than them, but not as luxury oriented as the 5


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What are you talking about? These cars are in completely different classes; it's not a fair or logical comparison, quite frankly.

On paper they are different: the S4 is a mid-sized sport sedan; the 5 is a large, luxury cruiser.

If you weren't leasing, the S4 would be a lot less money.

I would argue that I see less S4s than 550s; at the very least, they are both somewhat/equally scarce.

Having gone from an S4 to a 5-series, I can tell you that these cars are designed to do different things. The S4 is much more like your 335, so if you want to continue that go-kart like fun, you shouldn't be considering the 5. I hated my 5-series for a few years until I finally came to terms with the fact that the 5 is designed to carry 4-5 people in comfort; the S4 was really a 2-person car that happened to have a backseat.

If somebody asked me today to choose between a 5-series or an S4 to go joyriding, I'd pick the S4 in a heartbeat. Even BMW can't overcome the laws of physics.
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S4 vs M3
550 vs A6 (or S6)

Otherwise you're in different leagues. Now the problem with the S4 and M3 comparison is that BMW stopped the 4dr M3.
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550 vs A6 (or S6)

Otherwise you're in different leagues. Now the problem with the S4 and M3 comparison is that BMW stopped the 4dr M3.
The S4 is definitely NOT the M3 competitor sitting in Audis stable. Plus, BMW did NOT stop the 4 door M3, that's still going and will continue going. The COUPE is now called the M4.

To the OP, I think you could get a muffler delete on your 550i, if you're fine with the "semi-ricer" aspect of that. You also don't have to get Dinan, you could check out Eisenmann exhausts they have for the 550i. If you feel the 550i has the S4 beat on all categories save sound, then you've found your car!

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Apples to Snow-Blowers....not comparing the same. The S4 is a of course a factory modded entry sedan while the 550 is a luxury car that's made with some sport intention.

Around town, and on the highway, a 550 is going to be comfortable. It will handle well, and it will accelerate well.

I've looked at S4s and almost pulled the trigger. Even compared to the 535, for my needs the 535 was the winner. However, I do appreciate the S4.
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This is a whack comparison. 550i is compared to the S6.
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This comparison makes no sense, hence how you see that one blows out the other in various categories.

The F10 is simply a more premium car, a higher level, more expensive from the ground up, therefore more refined inside and out, well designed, comfortable, large, etc. etc. With that comes a car coddling to the point where the exhaust is purposefully quiet The S4 is a pure-bred Sports Sedan.

IMO if Sportiness is all that matters to you, then go for the S4 as the F10 will ultimately be a letdown, but in all other categories the F10 will come out far ahead.
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I have considered the S4 myself, and I am not biased. But as others have said, it's a crackers versus cookies comparison. The S4 offers nowhere near the features or comfort as the 5. For me, the lack of ventilated seats alone is a deal killer - I won't buy a car without them. A $60,000 S4 not offering them may seem like a simple thing and not important to others, but its typical of why you can't compare the two. There are many features not available on the S4 that we take for granted on a 5.
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:39 AM
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550i is a better value. The LCI will handle better especially with the MSport Suspension.
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The S4 is definitely NOT the M3 competitor sitting in Audis stable.
Absolutely.

335xi is the S4 competitor. And the Ms compete with RS vehicles (and AMGs).
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Guys. First off thank you for your thoughts. I assure you I am as big a car nut as most of you. I understand it is not a logical comparison, but my needs are four doors and space for 3 kids. I am as big a BMW homer as anyone (this will be my fifth) but the S4 wastes the 335. I have a 335is and I raced one at the light and couldn't keep up. Doesn't make sense becuase I am 200lbs lighter and have 15 less HP but 50 more ftlbs of torque (with overboost).

So I am comparing the 550 to the S4 because I want something faster not slower. Having said that I am struggling to determine if I still want a pure sports car with 4doors or a dual personaliy car. You can see in another thread that I was the guy bragging about getting a 2013 550 6MT only to find out my order was "converted" to a MY 2014. When I was getting 6MT in the 550 it was a no brainer now with the 8speed I am wavering. I realize the S4 has manual but it won't work for me for various reasons (wife)

It boils down to am I a grown up (550) or hanging on to my youth (S4)

All thoughts are appreciated (especially any thoughts on making a 550 louder without voiding the warranty )

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I understand it is not a logical comparison, but my needs are four doors and space for 3 kids.l
Don't live in the past. Three kids is today's reality! Get the setup that works with today's facts. There are cars in your future a lot quicker and sportier than an S4 but that's in the future. You know what to do.
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:34 AM
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Apples to oranges. But if you want something faster get the S4. If you want something you will appreciate more as a DD with 3 kids, get the 550. If you want both, wait for the LCI 2014s.

I also have a 2011 A4 and the interior of the F10 is in a different stratosphere completely no matter what option you choose. Barring the A8 Audi has currently lost their plot on interior materials.
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The S4 is definitely NOT the M3 competitor sitting in Audis stable. Plus, BMW did NOT stop the 4 door M3, that's still going and will continue going. The COUPE is now called the M4.

To the OP, I think you could get a muffler delete on your 550i, if you're fine with the "semi-ricer" aspect of that. You also don't have to get Dinan, you could check out Eisenmann exhausts they have for the 550i. If you feel the 550i has the S4 beat on all categories save sound, then you've found your car!

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I hate to throw a "monkey wrench" in to this discussion, but I just priced out a 2014 Audi S7 for a lease price $100 LESS than I'm paying on my 2011 550 ix. Now what do you do? I think I get the S7.

I've neve been happy with the way this BMW handles. I put ACS springs on and a Dinan stage 2 (which does nothing for the handling), yet it still does not handle like all my old BMW's. It's just a shame that BMW seems to have lost their way in this department. Especially for a company that says it produces "the ultimate driving machine."

If you can find an S7 to drive, like I did, you'll be very surprised how much better this car corners than the BMW. Considering the fact that Car and Driver tested it to be faster than an M5, and it corners like a 335is, there isn't much of a question what my next car is.

As for all the complaints about Audi lease pricing, It would appear that many of you need to work on your negotiating skills. I did it. It can be done.
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I hate to throw a "monkey wrench" in to this discussion, but I just priced out a 2014 Audi S7 for a lease price $100 LESS than I'm paying on my 2011 550 ix. Now what do you do? I think I get the S7.

I've neve been happy with the way this BMW handles. I put ACS springs on and a Dinan stage 2 (which does nothing for the handling), yet it still does not handle like all my old BMW's. It's just a shame that BMW seems to have lost their way in this department. Especially for a company that says it produces "the ultimate driving machine."

If you can find an S7 to drive, like I did, you'll be very surprised how much better this car corners than the BMW. Considering the fact that Car and Driver tested it to be faster than an M5, and it corners like a 335is, there isn't much of a question what my next car is.

As for all the complaints about Audi lease pricing, It would appear that many of you need to work on your negotiating skills. I did it. It can be done.
I couldn't build an s7 for less than 92k which even in the 80s I'd just spend a little more and get an m5.
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Guys. First off thank you for your thoughts. I assure you I am as big a car nut as most of you. I understand it is not a logical comparison, but my needs are four doors and space for 3 kids. I am as big a BMW homer as anyone (this will be my fifth) but the S4 wastes the 335. I have a 335is and I raced one at the light and couldn't keep up. Doesn't make sense becuase I am 200lbs lighter and have 15 less HP but 50 more ftlbs of torque (with overboost).

So I am comparing the 550 to the S4 because I want something faster not slower. Having said that I am struggling to determine if I still want a pure sports car with 4doors or a dual personaliy car. You can see in another thread that I was the guy bragging about getting a 2013 550 6MT only to find out my order was "converted" to a MY 2014. When I was getting 6MT in the 550 it was a no brainer now with the 8speed I am wavering. I realize the S4 has manual but it won't work for me for various reasons (wife)

It boils down to am I a grown up (550) or hanging on to my youth (S4)

All thoughts are appreciated (especially any thoughts on making a 550 louder without voiding the warranty )

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I fully understand and agree with you. Per my first post, I'd probably buy an S4 (or S5) if they offered ventilated seats. Just be patient with the people on this forum who are struggling to make sense of where you are coming from.
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I hate to throw a "monkey wrench" in to this discussion, but I just priced out a 2014 Audi S7 for a lease price $100 LESS than I'm paying on my 2011 550 ix. Now what do you do? I think I get the S7.

I've neve been happy with the way this BMW handles. I put ACS springs on and a Dinan stage 2 (which does nothing for the handling), yet it still does not handle like all my old BMW's. It's just a shame that BMW seems to have lost their way in this department. Especially for a company that says it produces "the ultimate driving machine."

If you can find an S7 to drive, like I did, you'll be very surprised how much better this car corners than the BMW. Considering the fact that Car and Driver tested it to be faster than an M5, and it corners like a 335is, there isn't much of a question what my next car is.

As for all the complaints about Audi lease pricing, It would appear that many of you need to work on your negotiating skills. I did it. It can be done.

I am not a big options guy. I have a 2014 550i MSport on order to lease at $630/month with $2,500 down (plus ultimate drive turn key lease and owner loyalty $)

There is absolutely now way a $79k S7 leases out within $300 of that number
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I hate to throw a "monkey wrench" in to this discussion, but I just priced out a 2014 Audi S7 for a lease price $100 LESS than I'm paying on my 2011 550 ix. Now what do you do? I think I get the S7.

I've neve been happy with the way this BMW handles. I put ACS springs on and a Dinan stage 2 (which does nothing for the handling), yet it still does not handle like all my old BMW's. It's just a shame that BMW seems to have lost their way in this department. Especially for a company that says it produces "the ultimate driving machine."

If you can find an S7 to drive, like I did, you'll be very surprised how much better this car corners than the BMW. Considering the fact that Car and Driver tested it to be faster than an M5, and it corners like a 335is, there isn't much of a question what my next car is.

As for all the complaints about Audi lease pricing, It would appear that many of you need to work on your negotiating skills. I did it. It can be done.
I'd love to see your numbers. Either you found out something about Audi leases that nobody else know, or you are getting your lights ripped out on the BMW payments. I have a 2012 550 that listed for $75,000. With no money down, three years/15,000 miles a year my lease payment is $925 a month. If I can get an S7 for under $1000 I'll likely buy one. I can't even get an S6 near that number.
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Guys. First off thank you for your thoughts. I assure you I am as big a car nut as most of you. I understand it is not a logical comparison, but my needs are four doors and space for 3 kids. I am as big a BMW homer as anyone (this will be my fifth) but the S4 wastes the 335. I have a 335is and I raced one at the light and couldn't keep up. Doesn't make sense becuase I am 200lbs lighter and have 15 less HP but 50 more ftlbs of torque (with overboost).

So I am comparing the 550 to the S4 because I want something faster not slower. Having said that I am struggling to determine if I still want a pure sports car with 4doors or a dual personaliy car. You can see in another thread that I was the guy bragging about getting a 2013 550 6MT only to find out my order was "converted" to a MY 2014. When I was getting 6MT in the 550 it was a no brainer now with the 8speed I am wavering. I realize the S4 has manual but it won't work for me for various reasons (wife)

It boils down to am I a grown up (550) or hanging on to my youth (S4)

All thoughts are appreciated (especially any thoughts on making a 550 louder without voiding the warranty )

Best to all
This makes a little more sense, as you are comparing from a money / speed point of view, not a "luxury / options" point of view.

It really depends on how much you feel you will be "settling". The 550 would be quite a bit better as a DD and with a wife / 3 kids you would appreciate the space and luxury of it very much... but I doubt it will handle like the S4 if you are going to go drive "twisties" etc.

My vote would be to do what most family men do, and bite the bullet and get the better car for your family. The whole "sports sedan" category exists because of your dilemma in fact. Of course, if you have another car you can use as the Daily Driver for the kids, then get the S4.
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I am fairly certain I am sticking with the 550 just needed a nudge, thank you numbers guy and the two jjs. I am disappointed I won't get my 550 with 6MT. But an extra 45 hp, launch control and that mocha brown interior will probably make up for it. According to my sa I have until early August to savor rowing the gears with a third pedal...so maybe I will get it out of my system
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With the introduction of the F10 it has become a lot harder for sports sedan fans that also wants high quality materials and top level engineering. In the past you just bought a 5 series with sports package, done. Now it requires a lot more careful search across brands,segments, sizes and increasingly complex lines and option lists. Being a bonafide sports sedan fan myself with 2 kids I fully understand cross shopping the 550 with the S4. The S4 was on my short list after I found that the 5 series no longer fits my preferences. On my short list I had the full size $90k Panamera, the entry level size $60k S4 and the by reputation hard core M3. In the end it was an easy win for the formidable M3 with the Panny 2nd and the S4 bringing up the rear. The S4 drives tight and tidy with a lot of grunt but it suffers from two typical Audi issues, the steering is sh*t and the seats are pretty bad and if you come from good BMW seats like those in the M3 and E60 they are disqualifyingly bad. There is also a surprise issue being an Audi where the interior has some cheesy silver painted plastics.

If you have patience I think it will be worth for you to wait a year for the new M3 sedan or if you have the means to step up a bit to the Panny, it is a nice drive for it's size and is worth a test drive even with the V6.

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