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Old 06-19-2013, 11:20 AM
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Do You Wave?

I have driven roadsters of and on for the past 45 years. TR's and MGB's and recently a Z4. Drivers with similar make and models would always wave. It was part of the camaraderie of a group with similar interests. In the 14 months I have been driving the Z I think I have only gotten one nod from another driver. Is it no longer a common practice to wave? Have you had similar experiences? Just curious.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:50 AM
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In 1970 BMW cars were just appearing in Louisville, 1600s and 2002s. We didn't wave, but we did flash headlights. I don't think American-made cars at the time had that ability, other than pulling and pushing their knob switch rapidly, so flashing was special. It ended after about ten years, when BMWs had become more common. More and more BMWs would not flash back, and so the practice died. But I still flash the rare Z3 or Z4 that I see. They don't flash back.

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Old 06-19-2013, 01:31 PM
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Hi, I'm like you in that I owned an MGB before buying the Z4 and we always waved or flashed the lights at another MG, or even a Triumph. I waved at the first Z4 I saw when out in the new car and the guy just stared back as if I had just crawled out from under a rock. Happened a few times so I don't bother anymore. Great shame, almost makes me want to go back to the MGB club........almost.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:48 PM
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Yes I wave! If the other doesn't wave back than tough for him.

It's a habit from when I used to drive a 63 FI Corvette, all Corvette owners used to wave.

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Old 06-19-2013, 02:29 PM
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I still wave...

or at least try to... feel kinda guilty when one sneaks up on me and I don't get the wave in. I used to have a Samurai, back in the early 90's, they all waved at each other...

Crappy : )

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Old 06-19-2013, 02:49 PM
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As the past owner of a 1965 MGB in British Racing Green, I used to wave at all other B's.

I think what's happened is that a lot of people who are NOT sports car nuts, own Z3's & Z4's. The comraderie came from the heart, not the purse & it is unlikely that we will return to those hallowed days, sorry to say.

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Old 06-19-2013, 03:09 PM
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Wave On!!

Yep, I wave. Comes from the old Healy days, and I will admit not all Z3 and Z4 folks wave back. That does not stop me from continuing the practice. I give the Hawaiian 'hang loose' wave! If you can't have fun driving this car, well . . . . .
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:04 PM
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Yes, I wave. I'm in the northeast and most Z drivers wave.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:04 PM
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If they do i do. Some you can tell are way to snooty for it i give em a nod or barely noticeable wave. I have had many different cars and when it is a obviously clean modded ride everyone seems to wave or give some type of positive response. from anything like a custom K-5 Blazer on swampers, convertible camaro's, vette's, new Trucks, dropped silverados.. I have to admit Bimmer people either seem very kind or ridiculously snotty. no luke warm out there to me.

i always have stuff that is kinda unique, and when i am out in it if more than a few people wave my wife says you're in the "truck, z, camaro, vette whatever, club." It is fun when there is some decent camaraderie but for most it is just transportation.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:51 PM
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Our group of Z's in SoCal always wave when we are out. It sorta looks like a wave in a stadium in my mirror when we see another Z while on a drive.
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:12 AM
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Also an old British sportscar guy (Triumphs and Morgan)...I always wave in the MZ3, but rarely get a response other than a look of distaste if the driver is female. Perhaps as the cars (and drivers) get older....
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:38 AM
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I too drove MGBs and Healys in another life, still wave or flash from our Z3, but get infrequent responses. I chalk it up to the me generation of roadster owners who never rebuilt a slave cylinder on the side of the road or experienced the "excitement" of Lucas electrics at night!
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:33 AM
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I remember when a complete tool box was just as or more important than a spare tire. All of us Triumph and MG drivers were always on the lookout for each other. The wave from another driver was comforting. They understood, they had been there too, stuck on the side of the road. Love my Z, the reliability, the safety, the build quality and all that. I'm kind of glad they don't make cars like they used to, but sometimes I wish they did. I still wave. It's a good habit not shared by very many others.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:45 AM
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... I still wave...
Waving is not as reliable a means of communicating as flashing. A quick double flash can be done at a distance, giving the recipient time to notice, understand the reason, and respond.

Waving must be done at close range and then noticed and responded to instantly before the two cars pass. And it is hard to see a wave coming from inside a closed car, darkened by tinted glass, with sun reflecting on sloped glass, or when it is raining.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:51 AM
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Double Flash

Ah, but when I see the double flash, my next reaction is to lift from the accelerator pedal and hit the brakes, as that is IMM the international signal for gendarme ahead, slow down!!

And when I double flash, my raincoat usually gets hung up!
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:15 PM
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I'm a waver, in either the Z3 or on the bike.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:17 PM
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Yes, wave....used to be flash lights, but these days you'll "eat up " the ignitors on your headlights, BMW's Porsches, Brit cars, all used to wave but now we have what I like to call the GUCCI LOAFER CROWD, not enthusiasts just looking for a nice expensive ride...don't have a clue.....
I've been at this since the early 60's......1960 A/H 3000, 1965 Sunbeam Tiger, 1955 (?)MG TF 1500.....
I don't care if I don't get a "return"
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:26 PM
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.... used to be flash lights, but these days you'll "eat up " the ignitors on your headlights...
What are headlight "igniters"? Do they get eaten up every time you change from low beam to high beam and back? Flashing a Z once a week seems like it couldn't hurt anything.
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:35 AM
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I try to wave or flash my lights, but being that alot of the Z owners in my area are older they see me as just some stupid kid who shouldnt have the car and dont wave back
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:50 AM
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Don't think all of us old farts don't wave because we don't like young people. We're just upset because you are smarter than us and got the Z while you are young and can enjoy it much longer than we can. Also, we are old, so our reaction time is slower and we don't see that well anyway. The light flash from a 1/4 mile away would give me plenty of time to process the information, find the stick, and flash back. As stated earlier, a wave happens far to quickly. Enjoy your ride for a long time.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:02 AM
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If my top is down and I see the other Z3/Z4 owner I always wave, but when driving down the interstates it's not always easy to see the other car until it is already even with you going in the other direction or past you. And for what ever reason I always see more Z's when I am out and about in my work truck than on the weekend when I take baby out for a spin.
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:36 AM
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... The light flash from a 1/4 mile away would give me plenty of time to process the information, find the stick, and flash back. As stated earlier, a wave happens far to quickly.
If I spot another convertible, I'll give them a wave - I don't really care if they do it first (or respond for that matter). As I'm not waiting for anyone to initiate it, I don't really need any 'processing time' ...

It reminds me of riding my 'non-Harley' motorcycle - I'll wave at anyone on two wheels, even if it's a moped. I've had guys snap their arms back down after they got close enough to realize it (gasp) wasn't another Harley rider waving. I enjoy those most of all.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:29 PM
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"I've had guys snap their arms back down after they got close enough to realize it (gasp) wasn't another Harley rider waving. I enjoy those most of all. :thumbup"


Thanks... I was needing that laugh today!!!!

Crappy : )

(Just outside of Nashville)

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Old 06-21-2013, 03:49 PM
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... It reminds me of riding my 'non-Harley' motorcycle - I'll wave at anyone on two wheels, even if it's a moped. I've had guys snap their arms back down after they got close enough to realize it (gasp) wasn't another Harley rider waving...
The motorcycle wave is just a gesture. Just rotate the hand outward off the grip, or even just lifting the fingers from the clutch lever will do. H-D riders seem the most consistent "wavers", to anything on two wheels.
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Old 06-21-2013, 04:26 PM
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The motorcycle wave is just a gesture...
The 'motorcycle wave' is whatever people want to make it - some do a full on overhand wave, some just fan their hand out underneath the bars, some just lift a couple fingers. I don't think there are any written procedures on that ...

Don't know what you ride, but glad to hear that your waving experience with Harley riders has been warm and collegial. My experience over several decades of riding (not on a Harley) is when it comes to waving they 'generally' don't play well with others - especially when they're traveling in packs. Doesn't matter to me - I'll keep waving at them anyway ....

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