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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 06-25-2013, 10:02 PM
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well its not about the fact that its a 540 or m5... if its just a 540 sport then 11k would be my top. but if its the M sport then the rare factor comes in. yes its not an M5 but its 10x as rare... both are close in price but 2 different cars.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:06 AM
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well its not about the fact that its a 540 or m5... if its just a 540 sport then 11k would be my top. but if its the M sport then the rare factor comes in. yes its not an M5 but its 10x as rare... both are close in price but 2 different cars.
Why on earth would you pay the same money for an M-Sport- basically an appearance package- that you would for the full-blown M car.

OP, shop around. There are much better deals to be had. Or, spend the money now and buy the M5, instead of tacking on aftermarket goodies later, in an attempt to make the 540i as fast, and handle as well as the M5.

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Old 06-26-2013, 02:05 AM
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If he were to list on autotrader for 15 I guarantee it would sell at or close to the number
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:21 AM
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a tuned 540 will spank a m5 all day long..
and a tuned m5 will cost you a 2nd mortage
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:27 AM
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a tuned 540 will spank a m5 all day long..
and a tuned m5 will cost you a 2nd mortage
NO, no, any M5 will runoff and leave a 540i without much difficulty. But the 540i M-tech is a different animal. much more civilized for day to day use, yet still has that 'muscle car' performance anytime on demand. it is a more exclusive car than the M5. In 2003 only 1265 of the 540i/6 spd M-techs were built for the North American market, and they were only built in 2003. In 2003 BMW made more M5's than 540i M-tech's, not to mention the huge numbers of M5's that were built during all the other years of the e39's run.

so 1200 or so true M-tech's vs many thousands of M5's built.

I've got one with 80k on it and I'm trying to keep it pristine since i haven't found a better car to replace it.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:52 AM
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well its not about the fact that its a 540 or m5... if its just a 540 sport then 11k would be my top. but if its the M sport then the rare factor comes in. yes its not an M5 but its 10x as rare... both are close in price but 2 different cars.
In 2003, I believe that all of the 6 speed 540i's were M tech. In addition to the various bits of trim, they have the M5's suspension. This one definitely has all the M tech bits.

One advantage of the 540i over the M5 is that is's generally less expensive to maintain and repair.
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:16 AM
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NO, no, any M5 will runoff and leave a 540i without much difficulty. But the 540i M-tech is a different animal. much more civilized for day to day use, yet still has that 'muscle car' performance anytime on demand. it is a more exclusive car than the M5. In 2003 only 1265 of the 540i/6 spd M-techs were built for the North American market, and they were only built in 2003. In 2003 BMW made more M5's than 540i M-tech's, not to mention the huge numbers of M5's that were built during all the other years of the e39's run.

so 1200 or so true M-tech's vs many thousands of M5's built.

I've got one with 80k on it and I'm trying to keep it pristine since i haven't found a better car to replace it.
I disagree with you on that an M5 will runoff on a 540i - the 540i is faster off the line than the M5 but the M5 will beat it in the long run and thats a fact! Many M5 owners will tell you! One of the reasons people want an M5 over the 540i is the "M" package is much more than just engine its suspension, custom interior such as suede headliner, M5 cluster, etc .... you get the point
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:41 AM
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Everyone's making great points. If they cost the same to maintain and insure I would rather have an m5 too but they don't. That's why I would rather get a really clean low mile 2003 540i6. Personally it's going to used as a daily driver and as much as I wish an m5 would work for me it won't.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:20 AM
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The steering is also doing one weird thing. The power steering sometimes seems to lose all boost at low speed and gets very heavy, but it doesn't do this every time. I'm guessing the power steering pump, but it seems odd that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The power steering hoses have all been replaced and appear to be in good shape. Any thoughts on this?
My steering has the exact same issue. All hoses, links, and tank has been replaced. The pump is original. I live with it, not a problem while driving on the road, mostly when parking or pulling out of the garage.

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Old 06-26-2013, 09:06 AM
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:55 AM
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I'm not going to fight about it , you consider tr m tech to be only in 2003 , I've seen this forum say that they never came with 540 and m badges ,

It's not worth the fight,

My01 is a mtech , stock to look like a m5 minus some of the little things that they changed to make the car a m5
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Why on earth would you pay the same money for an M-Sport- basically an appearance package- that you would for the full-blown M car.

OP, shop around. There are much better deals to be had. Or, spend the money now and buy the M5, instead of tacking on aftermarket goodies later, in an attempt to make the 540i as fast, and handle as well as the M5.

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I think the question will be, can you find a 2003 M5 with 72k miles for 11-15k? Or, will it be an above 100k mile car and a 2000 MY? The lowest price 2001+ e39 M5 on the trader is $22,471, plus dealer fees of $489 (essentially $23k). Granted, it has only 47k miles, which is nice, but it is still over $8-$10k over this clean e39.

In regards to the M-Sport, people will pay for rarity of factory installed options. You, the rest of the universe, and me know you can replicate the M-Sport look for cheap with knockoff parts (actually, OE parts and paint would probably be a several grand, $500/ea bumper, $700 muffler - so maybe the premium is actually a damn good value?) However, it was not factory installed and moot. Factory options are what matters in pricing a car

In terms of pricing modified cars at a premium, it is craftsmanship, story/narrative, execution, and part quality to command it. As in, your $4k custom racing wheels might add $1k more in value or +$500 for that $5k coilover setup. But then really the car is a priced as the sum of its used parts more than the complete assembled value of the car.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:12 PM
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Here you go. 107,xxx kms (approx. 67K miles), 2003 540i MTech, with the correct wheels.

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/BMW/5+Se...howcpo=ShowCPO

If you're in the US, your dollar is worth about 5% more right now, too. Throw it in a rail car, and have it shipped anywhere in North America for about $1,000. You're welcome.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:23 PM
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Here you go. 107,xxx kms (approx. 67K miles), 2003 540i MTech, with the correct wheels.

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/BMW/5+Se...howcpo=ShowCPO

If you're in the US, your dollar is worth about 5% more right now, too. Throw it in a rail car, and have it shipped anywhere in North America for about $1,000. You're welcome.
Gosh that car looks real familar
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=3
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:41 PM
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Yeah, nice catch CSI, no pun intended, haha.

Adamo, why dont you go ahead and wire that guy a deposit? That Autotrader ad is more than likely a scam. I wonder why that car doesn't have Sport seats?
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I'm not going to fight about it , you consider tr m tech to be only in 2003 , I've seen this forum say that they never came with 540 and m badges ,

It's not worth the fight,

My01 is a mtech , stock to look like a m5 minus some of the little things that they changed to make the car a m5
Im not 100% sure what you are trying to say, but, for the North American market, the M Sport, (or M Tech as it's sometimes called since M Sports came factory with M Tech bumpers) was only offered in 2003 on 540i sedans and wagons.
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Im not 100% sure what you are trying to say, but, for the North American market, the M Sport, (or M Tech as it's sometimes called since M Sports came factory with M Tech bumpers) was only offered in 2003 on 540i sedans and wagons.
+1 And, in the UK, Europe, and Canada, you can get the M-Tech style bumpers on any engine. Just like US market never had the option to select manual crank windows, cloth seats, or have an e39 diesel option, an i6 engine smaller than 2.5l, or a 3.5l v8. Hence the US market fascination with the M-Tech bumpers on e39s M5s or M-Sport 540i.
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Old 06-27-2013, 02:24 AM
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Im not 100% sure what you are trying to say, but, for the North American market, the M Sport, (or M Tech as it's sometimes called since M Sports came factory with M Tech bumpers) was only offered in 2003 on 540i sedans and wagons.
then how the fk does my 11-01 have it? stock

you guys are so wrong about this
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then how the fk does my 11-01 have it? stock

you guys are so wrong about this
YOu posted up pics of your car here:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...t=#post7648266

Looks to me like your back bumper is not an M-Tech bumper.
if you did have a matching M/tech back bumper, it would look like this:


Also your car has color matched body strips on the doors and back bumper, but the strips on the front bumper is blacked out. This is not how an Msport is configured.
You sure your car is a true M sport?
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:56 AM
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yep... thats last version of the m tech package

should have the same steering wheel... the same front bumper

i bought the car from the orginal owner... He told me what packages he paid for back in 01

this is what i mean... this forum is full of false info...

theres a lot of people who are swaping bumpers now.. and doing all sorts of things to make the car look like ours

mine also came with the trim painted to match the car.. FRom the dealer
as you can see my front gills have depainted...
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YOu are correct that your trim is painted to match the car from the factory.
I agree, but that's not what is in question here. what is NOT TRUE - is for BMW to produce a car that has 1/2 of the car w/ color matched trim, and the other 1/2 of car w/ blacked out trim. IT's true that all stock facelift e39s came w/ color match trim, but it's 100% color matched, bumper to bumper. YOurs is not.
PLUS, ALL MSPORT e39's, however, got BLACKED OUT TRIM pieces. None of them came w/ color matched body strips.
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No mine was bumper to bumper TI grey when i got it... I presure washed the front grills back to black... cause it stated to chip

and the first owner paied to have it greyed all the way around

what im saying is he bought it with black trim then paied to have it matched grey

I took the paint off the front when i bought it from him (thur out the years)

I have a pic of the car as is was when i bought if from the guy years back... looks almost excatly how he bought it
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You basically bastardized a car that's more rare in production numbers than an M5, yet you
claim that the guy who sold you your 2001 says it is the real deal.
Post up your VIN.
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sure when i get home... I highly doubt a mid 50's year old guy who sold his 540 for a 745 was in to tuning..

Ive already did the vin thing.. But we can do it again... Im at work so ill get it later tonight

and far from bastardized, that would be doing all the silly mods that you lot are in to

paint... Is not anything

the pic of it in my garage is what it looked like when i bought it
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